Why madara is now facing kakashi and kamui!

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FTG teleports the user in the real world.
Kamui teleports a user from one dimension to another.
Juubi cannot travel through dimensions.
Obito as a whole carries the juubi, kamui'in him is useless.
Madara most likely is the same as hes also the juubi's jinchuuriki.
Any scan for that? Or you make up facts as you go? Gedo mazou (juubi's body) went to other dimension just fine! So it cant be it.

Since Juubi wasnt too heavy for FTG even in slightest, i strongly believe that it was another reason that withheld obito from using kamui. So it cant be weight.

Whatever the reason it doesnt mean it would affect kakashi's kamui.
 

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Any scan for that? Or you make up facts as you go? Gedo mazou (juubi's body) went to other dimension just fine! So it cant be it.

Since Juubi wasnt too heavy for FTG even in slightest, i strongly believe that it was another reason that withheld obito from using kamui. So it cant be weight.

Whatever the reason it doesnt mean it would affect kakashi's kamui.
Don't be hard headed. Jeez.

The scan is in the top, read it over again.

The scan specifically said that Obito cannot travel through dimensions due to the juubi being withen him, Kamui sends you to the other dimension which is why kamui doesn't work on the juubi's jinchuuriki's.

FTG doesn't send you to another dimension, so i don't see how that is relvent.
 

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Don't be hard headed. Jeez.
The scan is in the top, read it over again.
The scan specifically said that Obito cannot travel through dimensions due to the juubi being withen him, Kamui sends you to the other dimension which is why kamui doesn't work on the juubi's jinchuuriki's.
FTG doesn't send you to another dimension, so i don't see how that is relvent.
Im aware of this scan but it leaves us with two explanations:

Juubi doesnt let Obito use kamui not that it wouldnt work.
And your version.

Kamui is essentially MS power and we never saw Jin Obito even go MS.

Seeing how juubi's body can go to other dimension it is more likely that obito simply couldnt access his kamui rather then kamui doesnt work on juubi, which is what im saying.
 

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Im aware of this scan but it leaves us with two explanations:

Juubi doesnt let Obito use kamui not that it wouldnt work.
And your version.

Kamui is essentially MS power and we never saw Jin Obito even go MS.

Seeing how juubi's body can go to other dimension it is more likely that obito simply couldnt access his kamui rather then kamui doesnt work on juubi, which is what im saying.
The fact that obito said it himself about not being able to travel through dimensions with the juubi just leaves us with one thing.

He tried to use kamui and he couldn't send the juubi to the other dimension.

it's clear as day.
 

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The fact that obito said it himself about not being able to travel through dimensions with the juubi just leaves us with one thing.
He tried to use kamui and he couldn't send the juubi to the other dimension.
it's clear as day.
Or he tried to initiate kamui but got an error. So no its not.
 

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Do you seriously think Kamui is a issue for Rikudou Sennin?? Go home, your drunk!
:rolleyes: how did i know you were talking about rikudo and not about obito and madara? Lol And what's their counter to kamui? Lol

Agreed and Lol at what some of these people are saying. I'd find it bs if Kakashi's kamui actually works.
Ikr. Lol

Or he tried to initiate kamui but got an error. So no its not.
That's speculation on your part. My idea is tons more plausible as the manga scan clearly states obito saying "I cannot travel through dimensions while the juubi is inside me".

Juubi wont let him you say? Obito has full control over the juubi, If he could travel through dimensions, he could use kamui but since it's not possible to travel through dimensions with the juubi inside you, He was left unable to use kamui.
 
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Yeah right lol, nice argument. Juubi magically cant go to other dimension but it's body can. You call it more plausible?

Plausible answer is that juubi limits MS/kamui power of obito, as kurama was limiting SM.
Re-read my post i edited it.

I wont spend any longer in this subject as you keep dodging manga facts. good day.
 

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Yea, that's another way He can go about it.



Juubi cannot pass through dimensions, Meaning, kamui wont work on any juubi's jinchuuriki.

sheeh ._.
Didn't you take into consideration the fact that i said that it would have side effects on him?
Just because it's a giant monster doesn't mean it can't travel through dimensions.
This is not DC/Marvel where because it's a god that it is protected by a god or by divine law.

The Juubi is just a monster compacted into 1 strong human being, so unless that he is somehow protected by Divine Law or the Law of Nature, than if said S/T Tech user could snipe him, then there is no one to say that the Juubi Jin can't be sent into another dimension.
 

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Didn't you take into consideration the fact that i said that it would have side effects on him?
Just because it's a giant monster doesn't mean it can't travel through dimensions.
This is not DC/Marvel where because it's a god that it is protected by a god or by divine law.

The Juubi is just a monster compacted into 1 strong human being, so unless that he is somehow protected by Divine Law or the Law of Nature, than if said S/T Tech user could snipe him, then there is no one to say that the Juubi Jin can't be sent into another dimension.
Did you not read the scan above? The manga disagree's with you.
 

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Re-read my post i edited it.
I wont spend any longer in this subject as you keep dodging manga facts. good day.
Still two interpretations man. All obito states is the end result. I cant travel dimensions.
He doesnt state why, cant use kamui or kamui cant transport juubi. You're the one dodging here.

Naruto too was in "full control" of kurama but not until it let him he could use SM.
 

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Still two interpretations man. All obito states is the end result. I cant travel dimensions.
He doesnt state why, cant use kamui or kamui cant transport juubi. You're the one dodging here.

Naruto too was in "full control" of kurama but not until it let him he could use SM.
obito said that after he got attacked in the back, he obviously tried using kamui but didn't work and got hit.

Then he went on to state that the "juubi cannot travel through dimensions", he didn't say "I can't use kamui because the juubi wont let me."

Obito has full control of the juubi, If kamui could be used, He would of used it.

I cannot get more simpler than this. Think it through before you post another speculation.
 

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Did you not read the scan above? The manga disagree's with you.
Right now you're just being a plain idiot and taking the scans literally.

It's kind of like this.

Imagine you are one buff dude, master of 15 different martial arts, agile, smart, weapon master and you have great reflexes and you are in expert in parkour.

You say ''I can't kill him'' ''I can't kill my mother''
In fact, you can kill.
It will just have a side effect, for example you will be wanted, chased by the police, you can also experience emotional damage.

And then you have
for example, Superman Prime One Million, or just regular Superman.
''I can't be penetrated by regular needles''

That's because you just plain can't do it.
That's what you think is Obito's case, but you're wrong.


But in Juubito's case it's example nr.1, it can happen, only it will have side effects.
He can't faze otherwise it would most likely let the Juubi escape or something in that direction.

Now, let's say it again.

Obito is able to normally create a hole between dimensions allowing him to travel through dimensions, but because he has a monster inside him doing so isn't smart, but he can still do it.

So, if Kakashi created said S/T hole between dimensions said person can still jump through it, anyone can, or he can just put an arm in and close it off.
Basically what Kamui does is create a gate in a certain spot and take away the target to another dimension.

So, Kakashi can still Kamui Madara/Obito juubi jin, it's not like you create a interdimensional gate and because you have some kind of a monster in you that isn't even protected by fabled divine law that you can't jump through it or let a certain body part faze through dimensions, you can do it.
It's just not the optimal choice unless you want to lose it.
 

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The fact that obito said it himself about not being able to travel through dimensions with the juubi just leaves us with one thing.

He tried to use kamui and he couldn't send the juubi to the other dimension.

it's clear as day.
What Alpha Scythian was saying was that yes juubito tried and couldn't use kamui, but it's not because kamui doesn't work on the juubi, it's because being it's jinchuriki somehow cut him off from being able to use it. did you see juubito use kamui even once to transport anything like for example his weapons he kept stored in the other dimension?
 

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obito said that after he got attacked in the back, he obviously tried using kamui but didn't work and got hit.
Then he went on to state that the "juubi cannot travel through dimensions", he didn't say "I can't use kamui because the juubi wont let me."
Obito has full control of the juubi, If kamui could be used, He would of used it.
I cannot get more simpler than this. Think it through before you post another speculation.
My car wont start. Now:
A. The battery has low charge.
B. The started is broken.
C. No gas
D. And what not.

All that obito states is the end result not the core of the problem.
What you do is looking for some BS way for ninjutsu not to work on juubi jin.

It doesnt get any simpler then that. 2 options still on table next chapter we see how it goes.
 
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