[Spoilers] Why Madara Awakened His Rinnegan Near Natural Death

[Nittskay]

Why Madara Got His Rinnegan Near Death, Fading N/S Rikudo Powers

The translations from Mangapanda are more precise and less embellished than ***********. While the scans below are from ***********, I am quoting the more accurate Mangapanda translations.

But before the transmigration was complete, he introduced a problem... Madara, who had become consumed with his lust for power, took Hashirama's strength.

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And when I was near the end of my natural lifespan, I finally awakened the Rinnegan.

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TL;DR: The reason Madara awakened the Rinnegan near the end of his natural lifespan, is that Hashirama died a natural death at the same time, hijacking Hashi's transmigration thru the transplant.

The reason Madara outlived Hashirama is because Madara was attached to the Gedo Mazou.

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NARUTO & SASUKE

Sasuke awakened the Rinnegan because he received Hagoromo's chakra directly plus Hashi's Yin cells. Hago Yang chakra + Hago Yin chakra (thru Kabuto's Hashi cells) = Rinnegan.

While the seals went away containing the bulk of Hagoromo's power, both Naruto and Sasuke kept the some of that chakra themselves, retaining Hago's RSM and Rinnegan respectively.

In the gaiden, we haven't seen Naruto spawn new Truth-seeking Balls and Sasuke's tomoe are gone, it's possible the last of Hago's chakra is fading, and N/S were meant to awaken RSM and Perfect Susanoo on their own in Pt. 3, not Pt 2.

 

[Sasori]

What exactly are u saying

 

[amsy]

Seriously what's this....shaarooo

 

[Nittskay]

No, this thread's not about Sasuke's bastard daughter.

I've tidied up the OP a bit, if it wasn't clear enough.

 

[Erza Scarlet]

What exactly are u saying

I think he means since you need Indra's and Ashura's chakra, since Madara stole from Hashirama, when he died Ashura's chakra went to Madara because he had a part of Hashirama in him and since Hashirama could have died around the time Madara was near death himself that's why Madara got the Rinnegan at that point in his life and not earlier.

I probably made it more complicated...

 

[Nittskay]

I think he means since you need Indra's and Ashura's chakra, since Madara stole from Hashirama, when he died Ashura's chakra went to Madara because he had a part of Hashirama in him and since Hashirama could have died around the time Madara was near death himself that's why Madara got the Rinnegan at that point in his life and not earlier.

I probably made it more complicated...

That's less complicated than my post.

 

[Torche]

Viz:

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OT: Because that's how long it took for the small portion of Ashura's chakra in Hashirama's DNA to mix with Indra's chakra in him and create Hagoromo's chakra. Nothing more, nothing less.

 

[Nittskay]

OT: Because that's how long it took for the small portion of Ashura's chakra in Hashirama's DNA to mix with Indra's chakra in him and create Hagoromo's chakra. Nothing more, nothing less.

That makes no sense, as there's nothing there dictating that it took a certain amount of time for the chakras to merge. It only says the chakras merged. The panel in my 1st quote can be interpreted the same from Viz and Mangapanda.

You might argue that the panel in both scans says Ultimately/Lead to Hagoromo's chakra, but that equally applies to what I say. I don't have to say "Nothing more, nothing less", covering for not having facts behind what I say, though.

Thanks for the Viz scan.

 

[SumnNarutoRelated]

But Hashirama died in a war

 

[Shanks]

There is a case here Indra's incarnation did not die but Madara unlike other predecessor went beyond and experimented with Ashura's chakra to activate his rinnegan .

Most of it i guess Madara's health was poor and was strong to activate immediately like Sasuke .

 

[HENI]

No, it's only because he had a small amount of Ashura's chakra, and a large amount of Indra's chakra. It took many years because his Indra chakra had to decrease to match the Ashura chakra. When equal, they merged, becoming Hagoromo's chakra.

 

[MasterKhaosSphere]

Sasuke didn't lose his tomeo, it was a drawing mistake

 

[Madara the Solo King]

Well obviously Madara and Sasuke awoke the Rinnegan under different circumstances.

 

[Torche]

That makes no sense, as there's nothing there dictating that it took a certain amount of time for the chakras to merge. It only says the chakras merged. The panel in my 1st quote can be interpreted the same from Viz and Mangapanda.

You might argue that the panel in both scans says Ultimately/Lead to Hagoromo's chakra, but that equally applies to what I say. I don't have to say "Nothing more, nothing less", covering for not having facts behind what I say, though.

Thanks for the Viz scan.

The manga is implying what I said... Why else do you think it says, "Which in short, caused the merging of part of Ashura's chakra with Indra's chakra... ...And resulted in the derivation of my own chakra's power. That's right, the awakening of the Rinnegan." On the panel of Old Madara awakening the Rinnegan... :|

 

[Mikeuhsomething36]

Ffs, Kabuto merely used his KNOWLEDGE of Hashirama's cells for Sasuke, with this thread's logic, Kakashi has Rikoudo eye because Naruto used the sun seal to repair his eye .__. You need Hagoromo's chakra to awaken the rinnegan or more precisely his yin chakra. Indra's chakra does NOT equal Hagoromo's chakra otherwise indra would gave the rinnegan and Ashura would have RSM. They are watered down versions of Hagoromo's power, the sum of the parts are not greater than the whole, Sasuke received Hagoromo's YIN chakra directly not Hashi's yin chakra it was the combination of Indra+Yin Hagoromo that lead to a Tomoe rinnegan. Sasuke still met the requirements because you just need Hagoromo's chakra or more specifically yin, Hagoromo's Yin>>>Indra's Yin, I'm tired of people's misconception of Sasuke having Hashi's chakra I guess gai has rikoudo power, kakashi has rikoudo power, All the ninja alliance have byakuyou power, I bet they still have the kurama chakra cloak inside them to .

 

[Urda]

Viz:

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OT: Because that's how long it took for the small portion of Ashura's chakra in Hashirama's DNA to mix with Indra's chakra in him and create Hagoromo's chakra. Nothing more, nothing less.

Viz scans are accurate. /Thread.

Everything this guy said in the OP was already covered in the Manga. People knew this.

About Gaiden: Simple speculation.

 

[iConquer]

Amazing find!

 

[UncagedkillaG]

One small problem with your theory... ashuras chakra had left hashirama by the time he gave sasuke some of his chakra (not dna like you said). Although I bet you could switch hashi chakra for when naruto gave sasuke that cloak to escape those 4 tttbb

 

[Floydical]

Unfortunetly for your theory, hashi died literally decades before Madara did. He died in a war before he became old. Therefore, the timeline does not matchup with your theory as hashi died long before Madara unlocked rinnegan.

 

[Angelic.]

its plot. if he had awakened it right away hed have gathered the bijuus on his own