[Theory] Why Limbo failed against Naruto

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Note: This thread wrote before the release of chapter 674, and therefore reference on it to limbo is as a gravitation force and not as a clone that perform an attack, in each way, it is an semantic matter that doesn't change the point of the claims, those I doesn't edited it's all. The reason it's published only now it’s because I forgot from it.

In the last chapter(673) we saw Madara used Limbo in purpose to attack Naruto, but for some reason the attack field and Naruto does not hurt by it.

Why? Who and how cause the limbo attack field?

Let's analyzed the chapter.

Description
Naruto seen when is body curved towards outside, this face turned in purpose to see behind him; Info-cloud point that an explosion sound is merging from the back of Naruto; The outlines surrounding Naruto suggest that is body moved from this original location.

Argument
From the description above we can conclude the following — An gravitational force was activated behind and in chase height of Naruto, from this point the blast that created start to push Naruto, first in this upper body and next in remaining body, while it's fit to Naruto body a curved shape and moving him forward. Naruto that was surprised from the situation behind himself and from the movement of this body turned this face instinctively.

If we accept the conclusion above, we must find out what was this force and who activated its?

The obvious answer is: The limbo that was activated by Madara. If so the limbo doesn't hit this target as supposed to.


Description
Limbo hit in wrong target but create a pulse. Naruto that hit by the pulse start to move forward, what in fact get him more close to Madara and make the attacking him much easier. The Rasenshuriken that start to cut the The Holy Tree eventually succeeded to cut down the all Tree, while it's absorbed by The Holy Tree, what save Madara.

Argument
The reasons to why the limbo does not hit this target we can classified to three groups.

Reasons related to third party. Reasons from this group will not be analyzed because there are no third party that can't do what was said.

Reasons related to the defender-Naruto, namely that Naruto dodge that attack.
This reason will not analyzed also because we do not know how Naruto can do that, and as said before he looked very surprised.

Reasons related to the attacker-Madara. Namely that the nun-hit was a miss. A miss can be deliberated or nun-deliberated.

Nun-deliberated. It possible that the miss cause due to the bad state of Madara, but the short distance between him and Naruto and this extreme response(complete surprised) undermined this possibility.

The remain possibility is that the miss was deliberated. Of course I don't claim that Madara himself cause the limbo to miss, but we have to remember that Madara is in fact multi-entities in one body — Madara and Jubbi/Holy-Tree, while the first is in control and the second depressed by him. I want to suggest the idea that The Holy-Tree trough is connection with the Jubbi(that insides Madara) cause to Limbo to miss. Madara that badly hurts loses some control over the Jubbi/The Holy Tree what allowed the control of The Holy Tree on Madara. The Holy Tree use the little control he's gained to redirect the limbo in minor degree, so minor that Madara doesn't know that this being control.

This suggestion work fine with the next event in the chapter.


Description
The Holy Tree success to speck to Madara and to ask from him to absorb him, after the complete of the absorption, Madara get to some understanding: "I see, the holy tree itself"/"I see, it was the holy tree". what it's was?

Argument
The simple answer is that Madara understood who was talking to him. But there are some questions about this answer. The holy tree itself answer to Madara question and tall him is identity. And it safe to said that Madara understood immediately after he surprised who talk to him(who else can talk with him in this mind), and because he understood that he absorb the tree as asked from him.

The other answer is more likely. Madara after absorbing The Holy-Tree understood why is Limbo doesn't work on Naruto. Because The Holy-Tree itself cause that, therefore after he understood that he was calm that this most powerful technique has not failed.

Now we have to find out why The Holy Tree do such a thing, what this interest? If we analyzed the event from the origin point that The Holy Tree is responsible to the miss the question cleared.

The Holy Tree interest to become one with everything, and to do so first he itself have to become one with the other part of himself — The Jubbi, in other words — Madara. Probably, The Holy Tree must be cut down to be absorbable. When Naruto start to manifest his Rasenshuriken, it's begin to cut The Holy Tree by a little degree, in that moment The Holy Tree realized that Naruto attack is so powerful, that if he got hits by it he will be cut down. After realizing that The Holy Tree decide to take the opportunity that lay in front of him and refilling his interest. To do so, The Holy Tree realized that Naruto's attack must to hit Madara. The problem with this situation that The attack can killed Madara, this why The Holy Tree decide that in order to refills this interest while Madara remains alive, he must absorb the Rasenshuriken. The Rasenshuriken was to powerful that the holy tree can't stop it from cutting down him by absorbing it, but absorbing it is enough to save Madara.


Edit: Another possibility that I came up after reading chapter 674 related to group number 2 — Reason related to defender-Naruto. It's possible that the Shadow-Madara was hit by Rasenshuriken by mistake. Its established that Shadow-Madara can be hit only by an attack that use chakra of the six path. It safe to assume that the Rasenshuriken was using the chakra of the six path, and Shadow-Madara nun-knowing that tried to passed through the Rasenshuriken(Thought that the attack cannot affect him) but he could not do that, on the contrary he was hit by it(Although it is not clear why he tried to attack him from behind).
 

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As I said before it is an semantic matter(Gravitational force, shock == physical/senjutsu attack of clone; Shifting Limbo target == shifting the clone itself).
You should stop using such big words.Your theory can't pe proven,you have no facts to back up your arguments thus rendering them useless.It was due to PSM enhanced abilities that Naruto could dodge limbo.Re-read the pain arc.Cya
 

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You should stop using such big words.Your theory can't pe proven,you have no facts to back up your arguments thus rendering them useless.It was due to PSM enhanced abilities that Naruto could dodge limbo.Re-read the pain arc.Cya
What do mean by: "PSM enhanced abilities", and how you explains the entire events based on that.
 

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What do mean by: "PSM enhanced abilities", and how you explains the entire events based on that.
Perfect Sage Mode.Naruto just dodged Limbo,because his sensing abilities are enhanced by PSM.He was confused because he sensed something/dodge it but diden't knew what it was,because only those with Rinnegan can see Limbo stated by Madara himself.Because Naruto obtained PSM from Hagoromo he was able to sense it and react to it using Frog Katta.Regarding the Shinjuu,for him not to die he needed a host and Madara was the perfect host for him.As I said,re-read pain arc and you will understand how Naruto could dodge Limbo and why.Yours it's not even a theory,you haven't posted a single fact thus making your thread a big assumption.
 

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tl;dr please.. i'm not reading a wall of text without reading a conclusion beforehand (especially not on the narutardbase) x).
 

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I dont know to compliment u or something coz the way u mess up with words is so fascinating(sarcastic tone not intended but thats what i mean exactly).

Naruto just dodged it thanx to reflex and enhanced sensing from SM as said before so basically naruto is at a lvl were as we can react to stuff caught by the corner of an eye withought thinking abt it he can react to what he is feeling from SM .
 

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Perfect Sage Mode.Naruto just dodged Limbo,because his sensing abilities are enhanced by PSM.He was confused because he sensed something/dodge it but diden't knew what it was,because only those with Rinnegan can see Limbo stated by Madara himself.Because Naruto obtained PSM from Hagoromo he was able to sense it and react to it using Frog Katta.Regarding the Shinjuu,for him not to die he needed a host and Madara was the perfect host for him.As I said,re-read pain arc and you will understand how Naruto could dodge Limbo and why.Yours it's not even a theory,you haven't posted a single fact thus making your thread a big assumption.
After what you said I looked again in the scans and I found that I make a mistake in interpretation the movement of Naruto -- he was not moving forward but sideways. This fundamental mistake leads me to reject the possibility that Naruto was dodge and explore more explanation what get me to this thread. Are You made the same mistake? If so, I wonder how you solved the problem it created for you with the assumption that Naruto dodge. If not, why you(and all who noticed my mistake) doesn't corrected me immediately.

Any theory is all speculation or assumption until it's proven. In our context, in proof I mean that the theory confirmed by the Manga.
If I was suggested last year, for example, that Naruto will get the senjutsu of the six path or the Rinnegan, it was an complete speculation, and your words were correct. But it not the case in my suggestion.
To get some support(even if its little) to my suggestion I pointed on question or problems that arise from the assumption that Naruto dodge the limbo but did not arise from the assumption that Naruto did not dodge the limbo(I'm not saying there are no answers from the first assumption but those answers did not definitive which opens a window to a different answers). Then I make a little analogy to established that The holly tree can in theory control Madara, and knowing that the analogy is weak(and to solve other problem) I have limited the conclusion.

I'll admit the justice of anyone who claims that my proposal is weak, but not in the justice who claims that my proposal is speculation(=completely, without facts).
 
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