Why Kotoamatsukami is the strongest genjutsu on NV. [Manga and Databook]

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According to the Fourth data book translations,
Kotoamatsukami may be the strongest Genjutsu on NV.




Kotoamatsukami (別天神)
Users: Danzo, Shisui
Type: Genjutsu
Range: All Ranges

Okay so i'm not the best at this so I'll give a summary instead of a word for word translation The bold text says something like the cast can control someones consciousness turning them into a puppet.
The one thing i'm not sure of is whether it says it can turn anyone in the user's eye's field of view into said puppet or if it says the enemy has to have the users eye in their field of view. I think it's the former, but this is pretty key, because if it is the former Kotoamatsukami is hax'd as ****.
The main text says that "Uchiha Shisui's Mangekyo can us the strongest Genjutsu". Then it talks about how Kotomatsukami can manipulate someone to ones benefit w/o them being realizing it.
Than it talks about how Kotoamatsukami is a marvelous technique that can lead one to victory w/o conflict. Than it talks about how it's potency even overrides Edo Tensei.
Than it talks about how Danzo snatched away Shisui's Sharingan and used it on Mifune to turn him into a puppet.


This above translations on Kotoamatsukami basically means a genjustu which can manipulate an individual without them realizing it.
Another important point noted out is how Kotoamatsukami can override Edo tensei easily.


Also it seems
Kotoamatsukami
can't be cancelled, countered or resisted mainly because an individual won't be aware that they are being manipulated.




Outcome;

Kotomatsukami was shown to be so deadly insomuch that Danzo had to destroy it swiftly after realizing Obito will pocess it.
Even Itachi was so weary he had to destroy it.

Itachi also said Shisui's eyes were also seen as something of a treasure even within his own clan, as before his death, Shisui had to ensure that it looked like he had destroyed them before he had died, fearing it would end in conflict otherwise.


Difference between Kotoamastukami against other Genjutsu;

Tsukuyomi;

Unlike Kotoamatsukami, tsukuyomi requires eye contact and can be countered.

Kotoamatsuki doesn't require eye contact and can't be countered.



Sasuke's Rinnegan Genjutsu;

A long distance genjutsu which also requires eye contact.

Kotoamatsukami can be use for both long distances and short distances and also doesn't require eye contact.


Mugen Tsukuyomi;
A powerful genjutsu which traps an individual in a dream world forever but it can still be broken by another Rinnegan.
Also Edo tensei characters hasn't been shown to be affected by Mugen tsukuyomi.
Kotoamatsukami can't be broken and affects literally any individual both Edo tensei and Normal humans.



Conclusion;

Though we don't know much about Shisui Mangekyo sharingan,
Kotoamatsukami
undoubtedly is (may) the strongest genjutsu on NV.

 

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I have been saying this for a long time KA is the most powerful genjutsu. At least now there facts to support it.

Thanks for sharing
 

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Well maybe its has more potent effect then IT on single person but not in mass scale obviously. So debatable
 

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kotoamatsukami = visual genjutsu
visual genjutsu cant do anything to rinnegan
Ma and Pa frog song can
frog song>> kotoamatsukami
 

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Databook 3 says frog song is strongest genjutus just saying
 

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Well maybe its has more potent effect then IT on single person but not in mass scale obviously. So debatable

This. Also, IT can effect anyone on the planet unless they have RinneSharingan. KA can only affect people in the user's line of eyesight. And with IT you can't have just anybody break if for you (the Sage's seals are needed and a sign must be weaved). With KA, if you had a clone on standby that could break you out (since clones think separately) or you could just have a comrade tell you that you're in the genjutsu and you're out.

kotoamatsukami = visual genjutsu
visual genjutsu cant do anything to rinnegan
Ma and Pa frog song can
frog song>> kotoamatsukami

@bold- Incorrect, rinnegan is still susceptible to visual genjutsu.

That was just a rumor started by a Nagato fan on NF that was debunked by actual translators. Nagato's page in the 4th databook doesn't mention visual genjutsu anywhere.

The only page mentioning visual genjutsu is the one that talks about how RinneSharingan users are immune to IT (that only includes Madara, Sasuke, and Kaguya).

ot: Sure, it's the strongest genjutsu for a 1v1 or 1 vs small group of people (since to be affected you have to be seen by the user). Except it isn't very practical considering it can be used only once every ten years unless Senju DNA is added.
 
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kotoamatsukami = visual genjutsu
visual genjutsu cant do anything to rinnegan
Ma and Pa frog song can
frog song>> kotoamatsukami

Lel no.
Kotoamatsukami literally affects an individual without them even realizing they're been controlled.
 

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This. Also, IT can effect anyone on the planet unless they have RinneSharingan. KA can only affect people in the user's line of eyesight. And with IT you can't have just anybody break if for you (the Sage's seals are needed and a sign must be weaved). With KA, if you had a clone on standby that could break you out (since clones think separately) or you could just have a comrade tell you that you're in the genjutsu and you're out.

You do realize IT can't affect Edo tensei characters?
And IT maybe in largescale but it can been broken..
Kotoamatsukami can't be broken..
 
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You do realize IT can't affect Edo tensei characters?
And IT maybe in largescale but it can been broken..
Kotoamatsukami can't be broken..

Can be overridden by new control tag of edo tensei.
 

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You do realize IT can't affect Edo tensei characters?
And IT maybe in largescale but it can been broken..
Kotoamatsukami can't be broken..

And? IT is still more practical for widescale.

IT can only be broken if you're lucky enough to have two random reincarnates of Ashura and Indra around to weave a seal to break the world out. Lol

KA can be broken if one had clones and standby to break them out. KA can be broken if one is told they are in the genjutsu and that is literally all it takes. Kage bunshin users can break themselves out w/o help, any comrade who can notice the disturbance in chakra can break one out. How do you think Ao broke Mifune out of KA? He just told him and it was over.
 

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Except every instance we saw it used or heard of it being used, KA's order was disobeyed.
 

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Lel I love how you said we knew this already.. I pretty certain if I didn't bring up facts, you wouldn't say this.

Actually, it was known for a while.

It's the strongest by far because you don't even realise it's used on you so you can't fight it.
 

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And? IT is still more practical for widescale.

IT can only be broken if you're lucky enough to have two random reincarnates of Ashura and Indra around to weave a seal to break the world out. Lol

KA can be broken if one had clones and standby to break them out. KA can be broken if one is told they are in the genjutsu and that is literally all it takes. Kage bunshin users can break themselves out w/o help, any comrade who can notice the disturbance in chakra can break one out. How do you think Ao broke Mifune out of KA? He just told him and it was over.

@Bold Ao was able to figure out Danzo was using Shisui mangekyo sharingan because of his Byakugan.
Mifune didn't even know that he was been controlled.
 

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You do realize IT can't affect Edo tensei characters?
And IT maybe in largescale but it can been broken..
Kotoamatsukami can't be broken..

what? really? you expect people to believe that?

kota can be broken by a chakra disruption of same or more power... like any other genjutsu

the only upside to kota is that the victim does not realise he/she is under a genjutsu so they wouldnt disurpt their chakra

a perfect jin like bee can escape kota easy... how? if kota is casted on bee and the hacibi notices his actions have changed... boom chakra distubed.. kota released..
 

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Kotoamatsukami is the most powerful Genjutsu, in terms of a 1v1 versus scenario.

Additionally, its name comes from Shinto mythology, further adding significance to its portrayal:

In Japanese Shinto, Kotoamatsukami (別天津神, literally means "distinguishing heavenly kami") is the collective name for the first gods which came into existence at the time of the creation of the universe. They were born in Takamagahara, the world of Heaven at the time of the creation. Unlike the later gods, these deities were born without any procreation.



Except every instance we saw it used or heard of it being used, KA's order was disobeyed.

It was only used twice in the manga (please correct me if I'm wrong).

The first was on Mifune, and the second was on Itachi. It succeeded both times (albeit the first didn't go as planned, but Mifune was still under the influence of it).
 
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what? really? you expect people to believe that?

kota can be broken by a chakra disruption of same or more power... like any other genjutsu

the only upside to kota is that the victim does not realise he/she is under a genjutsu so they wouldnt disurpt their chakra

a perfect jin like bee can escape kota easy... how? if kota is casted on bee and the hacibi notices his actions have changed... boom chakra distubed.. kota released..
Actually KA of Itachi and danzo are different.

Danzo had to constantly exert control over target while itachi's was fire and forget program.

Danzo's is broken once he stops control Itachi's is there until something as powerful as edo tensei tag can override it.
 
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