[Discussion] Why Kirin Won't be Used

[saw2097]

People say that Kirin is going to be used against Obito, and I can see that most likely it won't simply because it isn't practical.

It takes a great deal of set up and you only get one shot with it.

Why would they waste time and chakra to set up a single attack that may or may not work, and Obito isn't going to sit around and let them set up an attack.


They already have a way of fighting Obito using Sage Mode, and they can use it multiple times with minimal set up.


It would be illogical to throw away a working strategy for one that they can only use once, if Kirin doesn't work or is blocked or misses then they have just burned a lot of chakra and time for nothing at all while with Sage Mode they can attack multiple times with little prep.

There is no reason for Sasuke to even bother bringing up Kirin.

 

[mikeeozua]

Doesn't Kirin have a large range explosion? Couldn't it harm a few of the alliance?

 

[ballerjordan]

That's another great point.

Kirin isn't even classified as Senjutsu in the first place.

 

[The Alchemist]

Finally a thread that speaks with common sense on he matter.

 

[-Naruto-]

Jugo is most likely to be used if anything since he has the ability to gather natural energy and use it once he transforms.

 

[yoshimitsu]

I can see Kirin being tried.

Naruto can occupy Obito while the jutsu is being set up. And Obito is just taking free hits almost, hardly doing anything. That's plenty of time to set up.

It's also illogical to rely solely on 1 plan. Shikamaru has probably thought up 7 scenarios, probably come up with more if he had more intel on how to hurt Obito.

 

[adeshina365]

That's another great point.

Kirin isn't even classified as Senjutsu in the first place.

That's because it isn't. It's a nature energy attack.

Also OP, Sasuke's use of Enton can greatly reduce the setup time for Kirin. It should also be noted that Sasuke was fairly close to Kirin and didn't get hurt himself.

 

[saw2097]

I can see Kirin being tried.

Naruto can occupy Obito while the jutsu is being set up. And Obito is just taking free hits almost, hardly doing anything. That's plenty of time to set up.

It's also illogical to rely solely on 1 plan. Shikamaru has probably thought up 7 scenarios, probably come up with more if he had more intel on how to hurt Obito.

Naruto can't fight Obito one on one, and Obito is going to notice if something is up.

And like the above says its a one shot attack, and even then it would burn a lot of Sasuke's chakra up which would just be a waste.

 

[ballerjordan]

That's because it isn't. It's a nature energy attack.

Also OP, Sasuke's use of Enton can greatly reduce the setup time for Kirin. It should also be noted that Sasuke was fairly close to Kirin and didn't get hurt himself.

It's ninjutsu.

 

[UchihaNagashi]

1st. In Itachi fight he mad preparations for almost everything. He had perfect circumstances to do it (if he would shoot fire in the air Obito would realize).

2. It's not Senjutsu. People that are saying that it is are wrong. If Suiton users use water from the lake, is it Senjutsu? No. Same thing applies to Kirin.

3. It's effect is too dangerous. It destroyed an entire mountain. It could kill some of the alliance. Even though Sasuke doesn't care, Naruto does.

It can't be used ATM. If he even tried, Obito would just laugh at him. It's not Senjutsu, so it's worthless just like Sasuke currently.

 

[saw2097]

That's because it isn't. It's a nature energy attack.

Also OP, Sasuke's use of Enton can greatly reduce the setup time for Kirin. It should also be noted that Sasuke was fairly close to Kirin and didn't get hurt himself.

NO it won't reduce the time.

Last time it was Itachi and Sasuke's fires that allowed the storm clouds to form.

And just creating the fires isn't enough you have to wait for the clouds and storm to form, that doesn't happen in seconds they takes a while.

Even then it burns a lot of chakra and Obito would see it coming a mile away and just use the black thing to shield himself, he can still deflect the attacks with it.

Senjutsu and Kirin (assuming it would work) can still be deflected.

 

[yoshimitsu]

Naruto can't fight Obito one on one, and Obito is going to notice if something is up.

And like the above says its a one shot attack, and even then it would burn a lot of Sasuke's chakra up which would just be a waste.

Of course not, no one can. But Naruto has 2nd and 3rd to teleport him around.

 

[Akemi]

i see a possible scenario:

1. all the fire element users in the alliance participate with their fire jutsus to the sky to accelerate the atmosphere preparation.

2.naruto and all senjutsu users and summons occupy obito while the rest finish their job.


3.sasuke controls the lightening and hit obito while one of the edo kages creates an opening like tobirama did with naruto.


4. once the alliance participate in that they will get back and won't be hit with the attack.


Notes on the latest chapters:

1. the alliance have shown a strong desire to attack but they were stopped because they have nothing in their hands to do.


2.shikamaru made a plan like this before with the douton wall users and others......



3.we don't know the reasons naruto made the SM rasengan plan in the last chapters because the chapter ended before naruto explains anything, and in the last chapters when naruto discovered the plan about obito escaping madara's control he told sasuke and minato the reasons and he will surely explain obito's weakness and then we can judge kirin's possibility of being done.


4. we don't know anything about jugo's flesh in sasuke and its usefulness yet.


5. million threads have been made to discuss that thing and it's all opinions.


in that matter we can't force opinions .....!!!!!



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[uchihajaime]

People say that Kirin is going to be used against Obito, and I can see that most likely it won't simply because it isn't practical.

It takes a great deal of set up and you only get one shot with it.

Why would they waste time and chakra to set up a single attack that may or may not work, and Obito isn't going to sit around and let them set up an attack.


They already have a way of fighting Obito using Sage Mode, and they can use it multiple times with minimal set up.


It would be illogical to throw away a working strategy for one that they can only use once, if Kirin doesn't work or is blocked or misses then they have just burned a lot of chakra and time for nothing at all while with Sage Mode they can attack multiple times with little prep.

There is no reason for Sasuke to even bother bringing up Kirin.

Fire fodders create the storm--nobody important chakra is wasted
Sage Naruto and Juugo with Tobirama teleporting attack Obito to distract him. Why would you think that have to give up one to use the other? Just use both
if it doesn't work, then continue using Sage
It would be foolish to rely on one strategy to defeat a foe as powerful as Obito