Why Kabuto should be on Everyones #1 Strongest Ninja List

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Kabuto may be strong, because he is a genious/jack of all trades.... but no1 can look me dead in the face and say that he isnt currently the ugliest mofo in the manga
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1.naruto
2.itachi
3.sasuke
4.killer bee
5.tobi
6.gai
7.kakashi 8.oonoki 9.forth raikage


Your List is wrong, First off Naruto isn't the strongest it would be the sage of six paths since you want to use dead people then it would be between the real slim shady Madara and the first Hokage. Next I would think it is the fourth because no one else can use that god tech of his. The list is longer but Hataki Kakashi should not be on this list because he has limited chakra so that means limited power.
 

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any one ho want to fight kabuto has to deal we edo madara in his side ,,,,,,

i read people saying minato ,,,,, and minato is dead nagato is dead anyone ho is dead dont count.........kabuto is gointo escape this fight aceept kishi idea
Not that I'm a Minato fanboy, but if you say dead people don't count you automatically rule out Edo Tensei as well, you do realise that..

Also my opinion is if you want to compare Shinobi by having them fight 1 on 1 and Kabuto or whoever uses Edo Tensei or Summuning, it's no longer a 1 on 1 fight....

Edit: Kabuto is certainly very strong but for me not #1, SO6P is and after him Hashirama (his cells are wanted by many), Madara and Tobi. They are all still above him.
 
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I hope you do realize that in ANY fictional 1 on 1, unless you're specifying the handicaps and advantages, both fighters start neutral. To put it simple for you, Kabuto starts facing his opponent and has NO EDO TENSEI SUMMONED YET.

He's vulnerable to genjutsu and some fast attackers. Nuff said. I won't go over this against, because I'm currently debating this on 2 other threads and frankly if you won't bother to read them, I won't bother to prove anything to you. If you are open to the idea, here are the threads. I'm sure that if you look at it from a different perspective, you will find that there are shinobi that stand a chance to kill him. And it's Naruto, not DBZ. Characters have weaknesses even if they are OP.

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As I said, if you're willing to accept how a fictional battle works, that means Kabuto CAN be beaten. If you're biased, you will think kabuto + all his edo, while the opponent is tied up and cannot use more than 10% of his chakra will be a normal matchup.
Hello there Anub, nice to see you again.

Also, for everyone who looks at the first thread he posted, look at my arguments too, I believe they are compelling enough to prove my side.

Anub, you're arguing that Kabuto is not unbeatable. That is true. He can be beaten. But this thread is saying that he is the strongest ninja overall. Which is true. I have proven that much.
In any one v one battle, he will have the greatest chance of victory. Fast attacks will most likely very rarely work, because there are no virtually instantaneous attacks that can kill him if he can heal so quickly. The most that can happen is that a powerful punch or cut would be laid on him, and he can easily survive that.
In terms of genjutsu, he is vulnerable, but since he constantly takes in nature chakra, weaker genjutsu would not last long enough to provide time to defeat him (as seen in the last manga, where Itachi successfully used a weaker genjutsu on him, but he didn't get bodily harmed).
Only strong genjutsu can achieve victory, and the only two that COULD work are Tsyiukiomi and Shisui's genjutsu. All he has to do is avoid Itachi's eyes, and he avoids Tsyiukiomi. Shisui's genjutsu can be avoided in the same way. The only way Shisui's could work is if it were used on an edo, and then the edo surprise attacks Itachi. If that doesn't work, which as I stated in the "fast attack" paragraph above is very likely, he could easily freeze everyone with his flash, and free the controlled edo, easy peasy.
So basically, since those are pretty much the only scenarios in which he could really lose, and he has a great chance of overcoming them, he can confidently be proposed as the strongest ninja (when at his peak). The only one who could possibly be better (key word: possibly) is Tobi, since he has Gedo Mazo which is great for sealing, and also has his dimensional jutsu, which is also good for sealing. This could feasibly eliminate the edos, but that would still be immensely difficult.
 

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But that is considered preperations. If he is top ten then so is Konan easily with a billion paper bombs. Its the same concept and their are many ways to judge a ninja, in 1v1s? Strength? Speed? Overall ability? With preperations...ect

So ut depends on how you look at it although he is very strong... Not looking to argue seeing S Im on my phone
 

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-I know a lot of people will disagree but I see Edo as a very cheap move, that doesn't really judge a characters own power. If a battle was to start with out any plans before hand, using Edo would be useless. There is no way any ninja would allow someone to use Edo.

-What I'm saying is that in a 1 vs 1 fight there would be no time to someone dead bodies then put controlling seals inside them. Edo is not even practical for a battle. The only thing that makes Kabuto powerful is his SM that's it.
 

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But that is considered preperations. If he is top ten then so is Konan easily with a billion paper bombs. Its the same concept and their are many ways to judge a ninja, in 1v1s? Strength? Speed? Overall ability? With preperations...ect

So ut depends on how you look at it although he is very strong... Not looking to argue seeing S Im on my phone
Wrong. You can't compare his edo to Konan's paper bombs. You see, preparation for any random danger is key for ninja. The smartest ninja make sure they are prepared for any random battle that may come their way. This preparation can be seen very obviously in puppeteers always having their puppets, Tsunade's forhead-diamond thingy, Gaara's special gourd of sand, etc etc. They always have these things because they are prepared for any random battle. Kabuto is a very smart ninja, and so would obviously have all his edos prepared the moment he can, and thus will be prepared for any random engagement. You can't take these preparations away. Now, how is this different from Konan's billion bombs? She prepared those for a single, specific battle. She doesn't have that for any random battle, whereas Kabuto WOULD have his edo for any random battle. So it's not the same thing, and he should be allowed them when she isn't allowed her's for this reason.
 

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Wrong. You can't compare his edo to Konan's paper bombs. You see, preparation for any random danger is key for ninja. The smartest ninja make sure they are prepared for any random battle that may come their way. This preparation can be seen very obviously in puppeteers always having their puppets, Tsunade's forhead-diamond thingy, Gaara's special gourd of sand, etc etc. They always have these things because they are prepared for any random battle. Kabuto is a very smart ninja, and so would obviously have all his edos prepared the moment he can, and thus will be prepared for any random engagement. You can't take these preparations away. Now, how is this different from Konan's billion bombs? She prepared those for a single, specific battle. She doesn't have that for any random battle, whereas Kabuto WOULD have his edo for any random battle. So it's not the same thing, and he should be allowed them when she isn't allowed her's for this reason.
*facepalms* The first word of your arguement was more then enough to bother me. If I werent on my phone I would write a wallo but since I am Ill keep it short and sweet. Well lets take a look at things the Kabuto prepared every Edo for the war and perfected it for it so ummm your idiotic way of putting things is completely wrong seeing as Kabuto collected DNA for the specific battle called Ninja World. Now Konan could prepare that for anyone just how Kabuto could prepare Edos for anyone which makes them both... Wait for it... PREPERATIONS, Konan took a while to make the paper bombs but its pretty safe to say that she did in less time then Kabuto got his Edos. And just like paper bombs Edos are tools and once used/sealed they are gone so in almost every aspect the Billion paper bombs would be like using Edos.

Now seeing as you believe that you are the hotshot here and your opinion and thoughts are always correct/more important I would like to let you know everyone has their opinions and since you enjoy telling people that their thoughts are wrong without evidence Ill kindly ask you to gtfo and stfu because IMO Edo is just like the paper bombs and IS a cheap shot/trick does it make him strong? Of course but what else are cheap tricks for? The easy way out and Kabuto disgusts me so yes I do dislike him yet do not deny he is strong its just not his own strenght but the one of dead people, he is top 25 without edos.

In conclusion your reply to my very kind thought was incredibly rude and Kabuto just like Konan got his stuff ready for this battle ad if Konan remade the bombs before every fight then that would be like him getting Edos. Also you should thank god I'm on my phone or this rant would be wayyy longer.
 
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*facepalms* The first word of your arguement was more then enough to bother me. If I werent on my phone I would write a wallo but since I am Ill keep it short and sweet. Well lets take a look at things the Kabuto prepared every Edo for the war and perfected it for it so ummm your idiotic way of putting things is completely wrong seeing as Kabuto collected DNA for the specific battle called Ninja World. Now Konan could prepare that for anyone just how Kabuto could prepare Edos for anyone which makes them both... Wait for it... PREPERATIONS, Konan took a while to make the paper bombs but its pretty safe to say that she did in less time then Kabuto got his Edos. And just like paper bombs Edos are tools and once used/sealed they are gone so in almost every aspect the Billion paper bombs would be like using Edos.

Now seeing as you believe that you are the hotshot here and your opinion and thoughts are always correct/more important I would like to let you know everyone has their opinions and since you enjoy telling people that their thoughts are wrong without evidence Ill kindly ask you to gtfo and stfu because IMO Edo is just like the paper bombs and IS a cheap shot/trick does it make him strong? Of course but what else are cheap tricks for? The easy way out and Kabuto disgusts me so yes I do dislike him yet do not deny he is strong its just not his own strenght but the one of dead people, he is top 25 without edos.

In conclusion your reply to my very kind thought was incredibly rude and Kabuto just like Konan got his stuff ready for this battle ad if Konan remade the bombs before every fight then that would be like him getting Edos. Also you should thank god I'm on my phone or this rant would be wayyy longer.
Wowwww way to come off as incredibly ignorant. Here's the deal. Konan KNEW she was going to battle Madara. She chose the location, and set up her bombs there, and then there she confronted Madara. Does that make sense? She can't do that for some random battle, where she doesn't choose the location. So she can't do her billion bombs.

Kabuto, on the other hand, can ALWAYS summon his edos. He doesn't need to choose a location, because he can do it anywhere. And Kabuto is a smart ninja. A very smart ninja. In being smart, the moment he got the DNA for his edos, he would most certainly make it ready to use, IN CASE OF ANY RANDOM BATTLE. You can compare him to Tsunade, who makes sure to have her massive chakra storage in her forehead diamond thing ready for ANY random battle. She didn't expect Pein to attack Konoha, but since she had her chakra storage ready for any battle, she was able to use it. Konan can't prepare her bombs for any battle, simply because she doesn't know where she may find a random opponent. If she were able to summon a sea of a billion bombs wherever she wished (which she can't), she could easily be seen as the strongest shinobi in my eyes. But she can't, and Kabuto, on the other hand, is perfectly able to summon his edos whenever he wants, because they can be used for ANY random battle, WHEREVER.

Also, his strength lies in the fact that he can control all of those people with the jutsu. Not anyone can do Edo Tensei, and since he can, it should be included in his aresenal, and not counted out just because it seems unfair to some people. The jutsu is a part of his power, he learned it, he put the effort into making sure he prepared his edos for instant use, and that culminated into him putting it into effect during the war. Edo tensei is basically just a puppet justsu on steroids. The puppet is used to fight so that the caster doesn't get hurt bodily, and the same goes for Edo. And if puppets are completely fair, edo should be too.

I hope that made sense to you. I used facts and evidence to back up my claim. I certainly don't believe that I am always correct, and I deductively analyze all aspects of an argument and come to the most sensible conclusion. With the information I gave you, if you are also sensible, you should also reach the same conclusion. However, if you have viable evidence to substantiate your claim, please show me. I would like to make it clear however that these better be reasonable ones that I haven't already addressed.
 
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