i had a feeling you guys would disagree, just like ftg, km has become that tech that just defeats all, cause is km, simple, so -_-, but pain vs naruto and pain vs jiraya had a whole lot of diffrence, the explanation would be long and fall on deaf ears, but here goes
ist jiraya fought pain with no intel @ all, but took out 3 bodies, even pain admited that hiding the remaining three was a good idea afterall, quote 'if he knew our secret, he would have won' naruto had all the intel he could get and more, god realm was not active, and still got pinned to the ground, yet again using kuruma to aid him, ist fail
Jiraya's sm comes with gengitsu, naruto's is just plain, 2nd fail
Jairaya merges with two op frogs, which gives him awesome combo techs, 3rd fail
Jiaraya sm lasts way longer, wayyyyyyy longer, naruto's sm was just 'haaaaaa', it went off after 2 rasen shiruken, then again he had to use back up
Now lemme explain the few fails i just mentioned
If god realm was active, many all rasen shirukens would have been wasted, and worse of all no intel on pain, naruto might ass well insert a rod in his ass himself
2nd, i dont need to explain
3rd^^
4th, if pain attcked with the element of surprise, no back up sagee clones, naruto is toast
now km, lots of wasted attacks, plus jiraya does not carry a hugh scroll on his back for nothing, always bunta,and gamakishi, sm fast, yea, sm strong, plus expansion of some parts of his body, naruto gets owned