Why jiraiya > itachi full detailed thread on this subject.

[Thewhiteflash]

i will now in full detail of each character's abilities,and show you people why jirayia beats itachi.

~OFFENSIVE ATTACKS/NINJUTSU~

ITACHI"S AMATASRSU

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Shown right here itachi is manipulating his amatarasu and chasing it with sasuke, you clearly see sasuke outrunning it while in curse mark mode.

now considering sage mode increases one's speed jman would have no problem out running it.

Another way for jman to stop amatarsu is he needle hair ninjutsu.

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jman shown here is spitting up oil to wrap konan

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shown right here jman has the ability to manipulate his hair into needles or stretch it to long distances, if itachi starts to chase or manipulate ameratsu jman can easily cover himself in his hair and shed off the burned parts.

SEALING amatarsu~

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shown right here jman is able to seal amatarsu into a scroll IMO. if itachi tries to surround jman with amatrasu like this shown here :

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jman will easily seal it before you say you think itachi will jsut stand by and let him seal it, ma and pa can easily fend off itachi while jman is forming a seal but ma and pa are another subject for later.
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~ITACHI'S GENJUTSU~
~WAYS TO COUNTER GENJUTSU~

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The ninja needs to stop the flow of chakra in their body, and then apply an even stronger power to disrupt the flow of the caster's chakra; this is called Genjutsu Dissipation (幻術解, Genjutsu Kai). This can also be done by an unaffected ninja by applying a sudden surge of chakra into the affected person. In addition, tailed beasts can break their jinchūriki out of genjutsu in a similar fashion if they have a good enough cooperation, as seen in Killer B's case.

if you read in the spoiler^^^ it saids one way to counter a genjutsu is to for another person or being to apply a sudden surge of chakra into the person thats in the genjutsu.

ma and pa can easily break jman out of a genjutsu at ease.

shown right here~ killer bee is breaking out of sasuke's genjutsu because of his tailed beasts the rule applys to ma and pa too.

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bee breaks out right here:

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same rules apply to ma and pa which can break jman out of genjutsu.
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~ITACHI'S SUSSANO~

considering itachi's is basically invincible through the front, its weak spot should be around the back since its not a 360 degree defense.

jman can easily use food cart destroyer (WHICH MAY) break itachi's sussano from the upper front, but this is just speculation that food cart destroyer can smash it. food cart destroyer being shown here~

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~KATON~

IMO, most likely their katon will clash

jman is shown using katon against konan right here~

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this is a perfect way to counter itachi's katon and with the help of gamabunta shown here-

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~DEFENSIVENESS~ IMO i will admit jman's attacks to the font of itachi's will be utterly useless considering he has yata mirror~

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but jirayia has pretty good defensives and escape routes.
jman can easily use hiding in a toad technique to escape itachi's katon or other long distances attacks. technique shown here~

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Another counter and most likely instant win for jman would be his abilitly to turn his opponents into FROGS yes i know your probably thinking im trolling but bere with me jman has the ability to turn people into frogs.

jman turning someone into a frog right here~

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let me break down the technique for you, basically to use this technique the user must lay their land on the forehead of the victim and think of a mental image of a frog in their head and the victim is INSTANTLY turned into a frog. more info on this technique right here if you wanna read it

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Another one of jman's techniques that i would like to discuss would be his toad flatness-shadow manipulation technique.

heres the technique being used~

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shown right here you witness jman coming out from under the ground into a shadowy form from one of pains allies.

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if jirayia can catch itachi off guard or get close to him he can easily control his shadow, let me break down the technique for you.

Basically jman becomes one with the victims shadow and the victim loses control over their body and mind for temporarily itachi has no counter for this move.
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~ITACHI"S SUSSANO OFFENSIVES~

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IMO i admit avoiding itachis attacks like this shown above^^ will be no easy task but i believe he can pull it off.

he can counter itachi's sussano with swamp of the underworld.

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shown right here jman is engulfing orochimaru's snakes in a chakra mud based swamp and their basically trapped IMO.

i admit itachi can just deactivate sussano but he would likely be stuck in the mud considering its no ordrinary mud.
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Another counter for itachi's sussano would be one of jman barrier techniques called TOAD GOURD PRISON

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heres the technique being used on one of the pain body's. he eventually dies by the acid lake WHICH IS STATED TO DISSOLVE anything.
itachi's sussano wont be able to withstand the acid and will dissolve leaving itachi to fall victim to the acid as well.
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jman can also use wild lion's Mane to get ahold of sussano and wrap it thus making it unable to move.

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will admit itachi's quick thinking and analyzing would be a thread for jman and his sealing sword would be a instant ko if he managed to hit jiraiya but jman has too many quick escapes and quick counters for itachi.
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if they decide to go into a taijutsu battle jman WILL BE the victor because of frog kata.

sage mode increases one strength,power,reflexes,speed,and taijutsu.

shown right here naruto is using frog kata~

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IMO while using frog kata in sage mode the user doesnt have to make contact to make a direct hit. jman has the same feats.
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IMO itachis sussano cannot withstand frog stand well atleast in the back
( DAMN YATA MIRROR ) this basically has the same effect as shinri tensei ma and pa can send back itachi by using frog song.

MA AND PA"S SOUND GENJUTSU
IMO even tho itachi has the ability to break out of genjutsu its still speculation that he would be able to break out of frog sound genjutsu.

ma and can use demonic illusion: toad confrontation chant on itachi and HE WILL BE INSTANTLY CAUGHT IN It unless he doesnt have ears

let me break down this genjutsu for you, Inside the genjutsu world, the targets are surrounded from all sides by four toad samurai, with their mind and body completely sealed between their hands in an illusionary cube of water. The four unmoving toads won't lift the complete binding until the user gives the order.

IMO unless itachi can break out this genjutsu he is done for IMO . heres the technique in action

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your thoughts on this subject? feel free to debate,argue against me, call me a turd,+rep me, or agree, anthing you like.

and you probably didnt read the whole thing

Ofcourse its obv if itachi's genjutsu failed he's doomed.
But guess what huh? Itachi is a master in genjtsu the chance is just low that his genjutsu wont work.
I dont see any GOOD REASON for that. But yea im gonna +rep you for your nice facts you stated ;D

So by this i agree with the other facts but overall Healthy itachi> jiraiya Mid/High diff.

 

[Owarij]

1. That's like saying using a summoning jutsu during battle is impossible which has been done many times. 3 Sannin way battle, Naruto vs Gaara, etc.

2. Regardless of Tsukuyomi's abilities the user Himself Itachi knew it would both take him and Kisame to die with Jiraiya. You uchiha fans are underestimating what the toad sage can do. If kabuto was able to go sm against both Uchiha bros and render their Genjutsu useless what makes you think sm Jiraiya can't?

kabuto inplanted Juugo and thus got his clan's ability to absorb nature energy even while moving..

Does jiraya have this? No

For jiraya to enter sage mode he's going to have to sit perfectly still and take in sage energy, or summon ma and pa to do it for him, which takes over 7 mins ..

ty try again

 

[Cerox0]

EH? Jiraya has never seen amaterasu being cast.. he doesn't know the bleeding indicates amaterasu is being used..
In part 1 he didn't even know wtf the flames were... try again?

and yea? pull some paper from his back, while his entire body and face is set on fire?

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like if paper isn't flammable -_-

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Not to mention he'd have to put the paper on the ground,WRITE The formula or w.e on the paper, then activate his little handseals :|

Um, that was part 1, this is part 2. You do realize in 3 years all he's done is get information on the akatsuki. /Fail

 

[Owarij]

Um, that was part 1, this is part 2. You do realize in 3 years all he's done is get information on the akatsuki. /Fail

ok.. he got information on them, names, groups etc, Point? how would he know the presign for casting amaterasu?

Once again has he seen itachi cast it?
Did kisame enter a bar

talk to the bartender and say "HEY, You know that dude uchiha itachi?! well before he shoots amaterasu , his eye bleeds!, yeah"


/:sy:

 

[Cerox0]

kabuto inplanted Juugo and thus got his clan's ability to absorb nature energy even while moving..

Does jiraya have this? No

For jiraya to enter sage mode he's going to have to sit perfectly still and take in sage energy, or summon ma and pa to do it for him, which takes over 7 mins ..

ty try again

Your right, Itachi uchiha is the coolest strongest guy ever and can beat up anyone in naruto. LOL JK back OT.

Nobody answered me on why Itachi admitted he needed help to equal jiraiya.

By the way there is more then 1 way to do things, such as entering sage mode. Your telling me Itachi will be able to beat Jiraiya in lesss then 7 minutes?

 

[Cerox0]

ok.. he got information on them, names, groups etc, Point? how would he know the presign for casting amaterasu?

Once again has he seen itachi cast it?
Did kisame enter a bar

talk to the bartender and say "HEY, You know that dude uchiha itachi?! well before he shoots amaterasu , his eye bleeds!, yeah"


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I see no valid point here. (Nothing from the manga) /:flaw:

 

[Blaze Release]

Did somebody say if jiraiya was hit with amaterasu he would seal it. Fail argument is fail. Anyway lets take a look at people who have been engulfed in amaterasu;

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So whilst jiraiya is engulfed in the flames. He would calmly get on one knee (all this time when the flame is burning him).
Take his scroll out
Perform the handseal
All this time amaterasu is burning him.

Itachi would sit down, watch jiraiya seal amaterasu and compliment him on his sealing abilities, after itachi would ask him if he is okay. Jiraiya would reply yes and itachi would ask whther they should continue the fight and jiraiya would reply if you want to and itachi would say lets play rock, paper, scissors to decide. Both draw out rock. They decide to continue the fight after counting to 3. The fight then resumes.

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[LolaxXx]

I say they are a tie. But you never mentioned how jiraya can counter tsukoyomi. Also, catch Itachi off gaurd in a 1v1 fight? Goodluck with that

 

[Turson]

1. That's like saying using a summoning jutsu during battle is impossible which has been done many times. 3 Sannin way battle, Naruto vs Gaara, etc.

Be serious. What Jiraiya did took way more time than summoning jutsu.

2. Regardless of Tsukuyomi's abilities the user Himself Itachi knew it would both take him and Kisame to die with Jiraiya.

Itachi even said that more back up wouldnt change the outcome of battle. Do you really believe than Jiraiya would be able to win or draw against Itachi, Kisame and lets say Deidara and Sasori? Its delusional, to say the least. I dont know how anyone can take Itachis words seriously after truth about him was revealed.

If kabuto was able to go sm against both Uchiha bros and render their Genjutsu useless what makes you think sm Jiraiya can't?

Only, Jiraiya is not a perfect Sage. He cant fight without his eyesight, he lacks sensing abilities. ->

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[Cerox0]

Did somebody say if jiraiya was hit with amaterasu he would seal it. Fail argument is fail.

Would you believe if I told you Jiraiya can Giant sage rasengan Pain with a crushed throat, 1 missing arm, and 6 rods shoved through his back? No

But if Kishimoto said it it's valid.


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[Rafeal brown]

Lol saying itachi's tsukuyomi can be countered by disrupting the victim's chakra is like saying amaterasu can be countered using water...
Let's face it jiraiya fans, tsukuyomi is not an ordinary genjutsu and it's probably the strongest genjutsu after kotoamatsukami and izanagi... Ma and pa can't break jiraiya out of it... Only an uchiha could break it. Not to mention itachi can manipulate space and time in his tsukuyomi and everything is being controlled by him... I can't beleive ppl still think jiraiya could break out of it even after itachi demonstrated he could cast and end a tsukuyomi in just a second...

 

[Joon]

I do not understand why people are still auguring over this. It is clearly known now that Jiraiya is a bad match-up for Itachi. However, when Jiraiya enters in Sage Mode, it is unknown if Sage Mode (Ma + Pa) allows, maybe, Genjutsu or any other Physical Jutsu (Minor and not fatal) to harm Jiraiya. I admit that Jiraiya < Itachi. Can you?

Also, I would not include "Intelligence and/or Experience" (Itachi/Jiraiya) when it comes to Vs. Threads as it is not evidence or proof to support that fact because both of them have these. Their is none to say one has not.

 

[Blaze Release]

Would you believe if I told you Jiraiya can Giant sage rasengan Pain with a crushed throat, 1 missing arm, and 6 rods shoved through his back? No

But if Kishimoto said it it's valid.


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Show me the manga chapter where jiraiya performed giant sage rasengan with a crushed throat, 1 missing arm and 6 rods shoved in his back

 

[Owarij]

Your right, Itachi uchiha is the coolest strongest guy ever and can beat up anyone in naruto. LOL JK back OT.

Nobody answered me on why Itachi admitted he needed help to equal jiraiya.

By the way there is more then 1 way to do things, such as entering sage mode. Your telling me Itachi will be able to beat Jiraiya in lesss then 7 minutes?

1) Everything itachi told kisame that day was bullshit

if you read the manga you would know itachi was WITH konoha the entire time, and was spying on akatsuki..

KONOHA was a no go zone because of him.. When itachi died tobi told zetsu "Itachi is dead, konoha is no longer off limits" Immediately after Nagato destroyed konoha..


Now tell me WHY, uchiha itachi would have wanted to kill jiraya, take naruto and give him to pain?

Was his plan to complete project tsukyomi no me?
NO

he spared kakashi in their brawl, having kakashi say " why didn't he just kill me"

his motive for that day was just to warn danzo not to touch or talk to sasuke.. simple...
even kisame was suspicious about itachi when he said "Why is retreat neccesary ... for you.."

Even he knew itachi would fk jiraya's shit up with 1 amaterasu in that CLOSED space...


itachi's words were what? " if we were to fight him it would end in us killing each other...even if we had more backup, it would end the same.."

Not only do most translators agree that itachi was not talking about jiraya,
But the SIMPLE rediculousness in what he said is more than enough to know he was completely bullshitting

even if we had more backup, it would end the same.."

Unless you think ,Nagato + itachi + kisame + kakuzu + sasori vs Jiraya
would end up in jiraya killing them all?

If you do believe that, DO NOT reply to me, what so ever[

Your telling me Itachi will be able to beat Jiraiya in lesss then 7 minutes?
He defeated deidara in some seconds

Orochimaru in some seconds

Kakashi, kurenai in a few minutes , and ended kakashi in 1 jutsu

plz..

 

[Cerox0]

Be serious. What Jiraiya did took way more time than summoning jutsu.

Itachi even said that more back up wouldnt change the outcome of battle. Do you really believe than Jiraiya would be able to win or draw against Itachi, Kisame and lets say Deidara and Sasori? Its delusional, to say the least. I dont know how anyone can take Itachis words seriously after truth about him was revealed.

Only, Jiraiya is not a perfect Sage. He cant fight without his eyesight, he lacks sensing abilities. ->

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1.Perhaps

2. I personally don't believe it, but itachi didn't go in an attack him for a reason.

3. We don't know the extent of Jman's power. We didn't know he had a Sm till he died so we don't know what else he could have been capable of. Which is not unlikely, He lived to be 53 for a reason since ninja's don't live a long life, he became a sage, got the title of a sannin, was given the 5th Hokage seat, Akatsuki left him and naruto be alone for 3 years all for a reasonnnn.

 

[Lamar941]

*sigh* how many times has this thread been done?

 

[Blaze Release]

Im still waiting for the manga chapter Cerox0 or do you think you were fooling anybody when you said this. Perhaps we are reading different manga's :sy:

 

[shogun973]

no itachi would kill him and your points are retarded

 

[Bogard]

A>B>C doesn't exist in this manga. It's as if someone says that Gai>Kisame>Bee just cuz Gai has beaten someone Bee wasn't capable to. That's why i see the comparison between Jiraya, Orochimaru and Itachi really funny. Each of them have their feats. If Oro wasn't able to counter Itachi, that doesn't mean Jiraya can't. Like it doesn't mean that if Jiraya can counter Itachi when Oro can't, it means automatically that he is stronger than Orochimaru. They don't have the same feats.

 

[Rapid]

Itachi wins mid difficulty