Why jiraiya > itachi full detailed thread on this subject.

[Bogard]

It would take them like 1 second to decapitate him. He wouldnt even realise what happened.

And Jiraya will be there just watching?

 

[Turson]

And Jiraya will be there just watching?

What can he do? Ma and Pa are placed on his arms. Like I said, it would take a second for them to kill him. He wouldnt even realise what happened.

 

[Owarij]

And Jiraya will be there just watching?

was orochimaru just there watching?

no.. paralysis genjutsu + decapitation
indisputable gg

 

[Nagato Rattengift]

What can he do? Ma and Pa are placed on his arms. Like I said, it would take a second for them to kill him. He wouldnt even realise what happened.

I wonder how Itachi knows that Pa can use that cutting thing. And I doubt he has a kunai.

 

[silmarill]

was orochimaru just there watching?

no.. paralysis genjutsu + decapitation
indisputable gg

Makes me wonder why he didnt sealed the snake bastard back then and there
Could he have foreseen his little brother would went to orochimaru to be trained? or didnt he had the sword back then >->

 

[Turson]

I wonder how Itachi knows that Pa can use that cutting thing. And I doubt he has a kunai.

Did Tobi knew how to use TBB? No.

 

[Nagato Rattengift]

was orochimaru just there watching?

no.. paralysis genjutsu + decapitation
indisputable gg

Orochimaru was joking with Itachi and was caught in a genjutsu. If it was a fight, it wouldn't happen that.

 

[Nagato Rattengift]

Did Tobi knew how to use TBB? No.

But he knew that the bijuu could use TBB. Itachi knows anything about Ma and Pa.

 

[yuan of cruxis]

very,very, flawed argument.

1. quite a few people have escaped itachi's regular genjutsu.orochimaru would have, but was too close, Kurenai did, sasuke escaped all of them, naruto escaped by assist, kakashi escaped it via kage bunshin. And Jiraiya has the last two counters very readily available to him, he is very skilled at kage bunshin, plus, Ma and Pa. plus, Naruto made some headway in escaping one of Itachi's genjutsu, and Jiraiya, while still sucking at the art, is probably quite a bit better than he is at breaking them. naruto has 2 in the databook, jiraiya has 3 and seeing as he has no genjutsu, like naruto all his genjutsu skill is for breaking them. not to mention, not all genjutsu give rise to the capability to attack while it is made, only a few like the one used vs oro. most of the time, the user stands still. ofc, itachi works around this with his crow clones.

2. don't assume that jiraiya without sm is some weakling. he did very fine against konan without sm, and was confident enough to face down both itachi and kisame in part 1 without it. the only reason he went right for sm vs pain is because he was facing the rinnegan. and, he can enter sm with kage bunshin, go back and check the fight vs pain.

3. nobody is saying it will be easy. It will be an insanely tough fight, for both. Itachi has jutsu that Jiraiya will find it very hard to deal with, and Itachi also will find it very hard to deal with some jutsu like swamp of the underworld, goemon, lion's mane jutsu, needle senbon etc. saying itachi will win with one genjutsu is as laughable as saying that jiraiya will turn itachi into a toad after 30 seconds.

Also, Itachi vs Sasuke WAS a short fight. genjutsu battle, short spar, fire jutsu battle, susanoo vs orochimaru. it was a matter of a few minutes.

He finished of Orochimaru in 1 move
And Jiraiya isnt able to beat Orochimaru

 

[Owarij]

Orochimaru was joking with Itachi and was caught in a genjutsu. If it was a fight, it wouldn't happen that.

joking? are you mad? what part of that scan even hints oro was joking?

he was sweating and struggling for his life to move his hand and breka the genjutsu, then got his hand cut off.. that was no game or joke..

Then Oro clearly tells kabuto, I can't get uchiha itachi because he's stronger than me..

 

[Turson]

But he knew that the bijuu could use TBB. Itachi knows anything about Ma and Pa.

Its not like they would be just sitting on Jiraiyas arms earlier, doing nothing.

 

[Bogard]

was orochimaru just there watching?

no.. paralysis genjutsu + decapitation
indisputable gg

Where have you seen Itachi was the one who cut his hand. I think this scene was offpanel. But i thought at that moment that Oro was the one who cut his hand at that moment(i think in anime it's the case) cuz like you know, you can break through a genjutsu by enduring pain.
Also don't forget Oros character. He is arrogant and could never acknowledge the superiority of someone even if he knows he is weak against sharingan genjutsu. That's why he has no fear in looking Itachi in his eyes. Jiraya is more cautious.

 

[c3D4]

they are on simillar lvl fight could go either way imo

 

[yuan of cruxis]

firstly, oro never lost to itachi, he merely realized that judging by the swiftness of the genjutsu he would lose against itachi in a real fight (do you really think orochimaru the man who strived to learn every jutsu in the world wouldnt have nough chakra control to break out of a simple genjutsu?)

secondly when did jman lose to oro in a fair fight?

oh and btw how do you propose itachi is going to deal with multiple summons the size of sky scrapers? i mean he can only use the 3 MS jutsu once each so he wont be able to take them all down with that and they all can break each other out of genjutsu. and none of the ninjutsu that itachi has shown could do much damage to someone the size of gamabunta or someone with SM level resistance to damage (apart from his MS jutsu which as i said con only be used 2-3 times overall)

And anyway itachi admitted that he was inferior or equal to jman (and dont say "he just didnt want to hurt anyone" or "he wasnt trying as he wasnt against konoha") because he had no moral problem fighting with fighting asuma, kakashi, gai, kurenai, naruto and sasuke.

Itachi ends this with 1 move
Everyone knows Itachi lied about the stalemate

 

[Pein67]

joking? are you mad? what part of that scan even hints oro was joking?

he was sweating and struggling for his life to move his hand and breka the genjutsu, then got his hand cut off.. that was no game or joke..

Then Oro clearly tells kabuto, I can't get uchiha itachi because he's stronger than me..

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In a real fight Itachi would win but not that easy...
Stop underate Orochimaru,It was not a real fight and cut his hand doesn't mean anything, the "fight" didn't even finish.

Thanks to plot no jutsu

 

[Owarij]

Where have you seen Itachi was the one who cut his hand. I think this scene was offpanel. But i thought at that moment that Oro was the one who cut his hand at that moment(i think in anime it's the case) cuz like you know, you can break through a genjutsu by enduring pain.
Also don't forget Oros character. He is arrogant and could never acknowledge the superiority of someone even if he knows he is weak against sharingan genjutsu. That's why he has no fear in looking Itachi in his eyes. Jiraya is more cautious.

arguing with you is getting annyoing..

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Oro is trying to put his hands together and release chakra, the same way jiraya taught naruto

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Itachi laughing at his pathetic attempt with a kunai in his hand, oro's hand is now cut off
who else do you think cut oro's arm off? ..

Oro acknowledges who is stronger than him.. don't talk nonsense..

He acknowledged hiruzen, itachi and sasuke( saying that sasuke's genius at 16, compared to his genius at 16 were two different levels)

he even acknowledged naruto's growth ...

oro is arrogant and looks down on others, but point? so does kabuto..

His arrogance has nothing to do with his non fear at looking into eyes..

as kabuto is just as arrogant, but found a method to fight them without doing it.. aka using snakes to read their movements and closing his eyelids..

 

[welltell]

Some said Oro is stronger then J-man... and J-man is stronger then Itachi and Itachi is stronger then Oro.... so what does this all mean... Well in the manga every one is ether stronger or weaker depending on the match up... unless we see them fight we will never know... And by the way.... J-man lost to Pain.. Pain was able to kill off J-man.... but Naruto beat Pain... and Edo Itachi beat Pain... So what does that mean.... is Itachi and Naruto stronger then J-man????

 

[MacMiller]

You keep saying stuff about Sage Mode. But how will Jiraiya get into it? Itachi isn't going to stand still and wait for him to have it.

 

[Bogard]

arguing with you is getting annyoing..

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Oro is trying to put his hands together and release chakra, the same way jiraya taught naruto

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Itachi laughing at his pathetic attempt with a kunai in his hand, oro's hand is now cut off
who else do you think cut oro's arm off? ..

Oro acknowledges who is stronger than him.. don't talk nonsense..

He acknowledged hiruzen, itachi and sasuke( saying that sasuke's genius at 16, compared to his genius at 16 were two different levels)

he even acknowledged naruto's growth ...

oro is arrogant and looks down on others, but point? so does kabuto..

His arrogance has nothing to do with his non fear at looking into eyes..

as kabuto is just as arrogant, but found a method to fight them without doing it.. aka using snakes to read their movements and closing his eyelids..

What's really funny with Itachi fans is that when i ask a question that doesn't go in the way of Itachi, they already want to flee the conversation as if i don't have to know. I said "i thought like that when i saw the scene". What would have happened if you had took your time like that and explain me calmly? :shrug:

And what's also funny is that, even if i agree i don't show that much, i like Itachi as a character. He is the 3rd character i like the most in this serie, but everybody think i hate him, just cuz i say things that doesn't advantage him.xd Like Itachi said himself, every technic has a weakness, and i've the bad habit everytime when i discuss to try to show the weakness of a technic. That's why i've created some threads against Itachi(totsuka that can't seal Bijuus, etc..) just to have opinions of others, but that doesn't mean i don't like him.
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Apart from that, like i've said, when i've seen these scene i thought it was Oro the one who cut his arm, but now that you've explained it like that, i understand it better.

Anyway it doesn't change the fact that Orochimaru is not Jiraya. Like i've said, Orochimaru isn't cautious at all against Sharingan. It's not the case of Jiraya who already know he is weak in genjutsu, so he won't even try to fight it like Orochimaru did. You said it yourself. Kabuto made a method to fight it. Jiraya can fight it when he is in SM with Pa and Ma, cuz they give him sennin chakra mode every single time and makes genjutsus useless. You say that Itachi could paralyse Pa or Ma, but forget Jiraya is there.

That's why i find your logic really funny.

 

[Owarij]

What's really funny with Itachi fans is that when i ask a question that doesn't go in the way of Itachi, they already want to flee the conversation as if i don't have to know. I said "i thought like that when i saw the scene". What would have happened if you had took your time like that and explain me calmly? :shrug:

And what's also funny is that, even if i agree i don't show that much, i like Itachi as a character. He is the 3rd character i like the most in this serie, but everybody think i hate him, just cuz i say things that doesn't advantage him.xd Like Itachi said himself, every technic has a weakness, and i've the bad habit everytime when i discuss to try to show the weakness of a technic. That's why i've created some threads against Itachi(totsuka that can't seal Bijuus, etc..) just to have opinions of others, but that doesn't mean i don't like him.
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Apart from that, like i've said, when i've seen these scene i thought it was Oro the one who cut his arm, but now that you've explained it like that, i understand it better.

Anyway it doesn't change the fact that Orochimaru is not Jiraya. Like i've said, Orochimaru isn't cautious at all against Sharingan. It's not the case of Jiraya who already know he is weak in genjutsu, so he won't even try to fight it like Orochimaru did. You said it yourself. Kabuto made a method to fight it. Jiraya can fight it when he is in SM with Pa and Ma, cuz they give him sennin chakra mode every single time and makes genjutsus useless. You say that Itachi could paralyse Pa or Ma, but forget Jiraya is there.

That's why i find your logic really funny.

jiraya can fight it when he is in SM with Pa and Ma,

Yea because jiraya is going to get 8 minutes to get into sage mode

you people amaze me with this sm talk

i've never said itachi can paralyze ma and pa, stop putting words into my mouth..

1) Jiraya is not getting into sage mode
2) Jiraya is dieing in the beginning from amaterasu or tsukyomi, choose 1
3) If jiraya is in sage mode, ma and pa STILL can't counter tsukyomi