I wouldnt say that itachi is aware of jaraiyas fighting style he knew not to square off with him in part 1 as he knew he would be at a disadvantage by all the reasons this guy stated earlier
Are you serious? If they had fought in that hallway then Jiraiya would be dead now. Seriously how would he have dodged Amaterasu right there?
Things like this are why I assume Jiraiya fans don't think. Also according to his post above Bee is a bad match up for Itachi. Again, this is BS. Itachi has a few bad matchups but Jiraiya and Bee are not them.
i will now in full detail of each character's abilities,and show you people why jirayia beats itachi.
~OFFENSIVE ATTACKS/NINJUTSU~
ITACHI"S AMATASRSU
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Shown right here itachi is manipulating his amatarasu and chasing it with sasuke, you clearly see sasuke outrunning it while in curse mark mode.
now considering sage mode increases one's speed jman would have no problem out running it.
Another way for jman to stop amatarsu is he needle hair ninjutsu.
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jman shown here is spitting up oil to wrap konan
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shown right here jman has the ability to manipulate his hair into needles or stretch it to long distances, if itachi starts to chase or manipulate ameratsu jman can easily cover himself in his hair and shed off the burned parts.
SEALING amatarsu~
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shown right here jman is able to seal amatarsu into a scroll IMO. if itachi tries to surround jman with amatrasu like this shown here :
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jman will easily seal it before you say you think itachi will jsut stand by and let him seal it, ma and pa can easily fend off itachi while jman is forming a seal but ma and pa are another subject for later.
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The ninja needs to stop the flow of chakra in their body, and then apply an even stronger power to disrupt the flow of the caster's chakra; this is called Genjutsu Dissipation (幻術解, Genjutsu Kai). This can also be done by an unaffected ninja by applying a sudden surge of chakra into the affected person. In addition, tailed beasts can break their jinchūriki out of genjutsu in a similar fashion if they have a good enough cooperation, as seen in Killer B's case.
if you read in the spoiler^^^ it saids one way to counter a genjutsu is to for another person or being to apply a sudden surge of chakra into the person thats in the genjutsu.
ma and pa can easily break jman out of a genjutsu at ease.
shown right here~ killer bee is breaking out of sasuke's genjutsu because of his tailed beasts the rule applys to ma and pa too.
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bee breaks out right here:
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same rules apply to ma and pa which can break jman out of genjutsu.
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considering itachi's is basically invincible through the front, its weak spot should be around the back since its not a 360 degree defense.
jman can easily use food cart destroyer (WHICH MAY) break itachi's sussano from the upper front, but this is just speculation that food cart destroyer can smash it. food cart destroyer being shown here~
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~KATON~
IMO, most likely their katon will clash
jman is shown using katon against konan right here~
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this is a perfect way to counter itachi's katon and with the help of gamabunta shown here-
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~DEFENSIVENESS~ IMO i will admit jman's attacks to the font of itachi's will be utterly useless considering he has yata mirror~
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but jirayia has pretty good defensives and escape routes.
jman can easily use hiding in a toad technique to escape itachi's katon or other long distances attacks. technique shown here~
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Another counter and most likely instant win for jman would be his abilitly to turn his opponents into FROGS yes i know your probably thinking im trolling but bere with me jman has the ability to turn people into frogs.
jman turning someone into a frog right here~
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let me break down the technique for you, basically to use this technique the user must lay their land on the forehead of the victim and think of a mental image of a frog in their head and the victim is INSTANTLY turned into a frog. more info on this technique right here if you wanna read it
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Another one of jman's techniques that i would like to discuss would be his toad flatness-shadow manipulation technique.
heres the technique being used~
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shown right here you witness jman coming out from under the ground into a shadowy form from one of pains allies.
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if jirayia can catch itachi off guard or get close to him he can easily control his shadow, let me break down the technique for you.
Basically jman becomes one with the victims shadow and the victim loses control over their body and mind for temporarily itachi has no counter for this move.
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IMO i admit avoiding itachis attacks like this shown above^^ will be no easy task but i believe he can pull it off.
he can counter itachi's sussano with swamp of the underworld.
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shown right here jman is engulfing orochimaru's snakes in a chakra mud based swamp and their basically trapped IMO.
i admit itachi can just deactivate sussano but he would likely be stuck in the mud considering its no ordrinary mud.
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Another counter for itachi's sussano would be one of jman barrier techniques called TOAD GOURD PRISON
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heres the technique being used on one of the pain body's. he eventually dies by the acid lake WHICH IS STATED TO DISSOLVE anything.
itachi's sussano wont be able to withstand the acid and will dissolve leaving itachi to fall victim to the acid as well.
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jman can also use wild lion's Mane to get ahold of sussano and wrap it thus making it unable to move.
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will admit itachi's quick thinking and analyzing would be a thread for jman and his sealing sword would be a instant ko if he managed to hit jiraiya but jman has too many quick escapes and quick counters for itachi.
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if they decide to go into a taijutsu battle jman WILL BE the victor because of frog kata.
sage mode increases one strength,power,reflexes,speed,and taijutsu.
shown right here naruto is using frog kata~
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IMO while using frog kata in sage mode the user doesnt have to make contact to make a direct hit. jman has the same feats.
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IMO itachis sussano cannot withstand frog stand well atleast in the back
( DAMN YATA MIRROR ) this basically has the same effect as shinri tensei ma and pa can send back itachi by using frog song.
MA AND PA"S SOUND GENJUTSU
IMO even tho itachi has the ability to break out of genjutsu its still speculation that he would be able to break out of frog sound genjutsu.
ma and can use demonic illusion: toad confrontation chant on itachi and HE WILL BE INSTANTLY CAUGHT IN It unless he doesnt have ears
let me break down this genjutsu for you, Inside the genjutsu world, the targets are surrounded from all sides by four toad samurai, with their mind and body completely sealed between their hands in an illusionary cube of water. The four unmoving toads won't lift the complete binding until the user gives the order.
IMO unless itachi can break out this genjutsu he is done for IMO . heres the technique in action
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your thoughts on this subject? feel free to debate,argue against me, call me a turd,+rep me, or agree, anthing you like.
they're even, end of story. And the logic a>b>c does not work in the narutoverse for people who bring up Oro, Oro was being reckless anyway, it was hardly anything he was ready for.
they're even, end of story. And the logic a>b>c does not work in the narutoverse for people who bring up Oro, Oro was being reckless anyway, it was hardly anything he was ready for.
Agreed. Greed and Ambition got the better of Orochimaru. As for Amaterasu'ing Jiraiya in the hallway, Itachi requires TIME to use Amaterasu. He closes the eye for plenty of time for Jiraiya to know whats up. People seem to forget that. As for Tsukiyomi, shadow clones are a good counter to that one, and Jiraiya is adept in their use. I repeat, both are able to win. Many factors come into play, location being a large one.
I think Kishi intended for them to be equal, they have the exact same score in the databook.
Itachi has more 'finishers' so to speak- amaterasu, tsukuyomi (debatable, a battle of Itachi's chakra vs Jiraiya's will would be interesting), and the totsuka sword, whereas Jiraiya has that toad turning attack and the genjutsu.
On the other hand, Jiraiya is as able with kage bunshin as naruto, and he's very able with escaping techniques. So it's not a guarantee that those techniques would connect, far from it. and Jiraiya's stamina far exceeds Itachi's, I'm not sure how long Itachi can hold susanoo for
Whats the point of this thread? Itachi has already stated that the best he could do was stalemate Jiraiya. And this is a diseased Itachi we're talking about. Healthy Itachi wins hands down.
First of all the argument that they have the same stats in the databook meaning they are equal isnt an argument in my eyes, databook is too vague.
Secondly if you look at the databook you'd not only see that itachi has more 5/5 than jiraiya and funny enough jiraiya's only advantage over itachi is stamina and strength but you see this is what allowed jiraiya to catch up. Stamina, true is important in a fight, but you see just because you have more stamina than your opponent doesnt mean you will come out on top. If chakra decides a fight, then the tailed beasts will reign supreme but as we can see that isnt the case. Secondly strength, unless you're a taijutsu user, strength doesnt really decide anything. So whilst both might have the same stat's if you look at each category, you'd see that itachi has for 5/5 than jiraiya therefore is superior than him. Only stamina and strength is what allowed jiraiya to catch up.
Jiriaya does have a large chakra reserve but you see him using the shadow clone just to counter genjutsu isnt enough, if anything its a waste of chakra. Normal bunshin are not durable at all and the slightest contact, they will disperse. We saw itachi with his mastery of kunai's dispose of naruto's bunshin with his back turned. Not to forget he can counter with karas bunshin, which takes up less chakra on his side.
First flaw, Itachi didn't intend to kill Sasuke, he wanted to reach his limit earlier. You can't escape from the Sharingans sight by just running away, this is bullshit. As long as you can't escape from the Sharingans sight, he can hit you with a single glance.
I'm tired now, will enlighten you tomorrow if I have the time..
But Itachi is clearly stronger, your post wasn't needed :*
but make no mistake..
Active Sharingan and Mangekyou sharingan thoughout fight -
Crow Clone
Genjutsu
Genjutsu
Shadow clone
tsukyomi
Katon
Amaterasu
Amaterasu
Amaterasu
Susanno
Amaterasu transcription seal ...
all while he was dieing
how is that low chakra levels? he can more than take control of the frogs...
and as i stated, he is NOT dodging amaterasu, IMpossible in his base mode...
Lions mane is still part of him, and since it's hair it makes it even worse for him...It will spread rediculously fast... You do know how large of an area amaterasu covers once it's hit right? You saw how fast it spread on be? danzo? Putting it on hair will just help the entire process
try again
Itachi's stanima is no problem what so ever... He will end this fight at the very beggining.. just as he did with oro... whether it be with tsukyomi, or amaterasu , jiraya has counter for neither
you forgot something there dude, after all that technique itachi DIES! lol. how funny isn't it? he pushed himself beyond his limits just to perform this techniques in a short fight.
good points, i agree... But don't you think you should have elaborated on what itachi could do to counter jiraiya's abilities as well. Cos this is one way traffic. Made jiraiya look good and itachi look like ten ten. Im not saying jiraiya can't take on itachi but at least you should be fair
you forgot something there dude, after all that technique itachi DIES! lol. how funny isn't it? he pushed himself beyond his limits just to perform this techniques in a short fight.
I think everyone assumed the thread creator was talking about a healthy Itachi, which means more chakra.
Either way, Itachi wouldn't need to use all of that stuff against Jiraiya. All of Itachi's fights are ended quite quickly. So far the only person to break out of Itachi's regular genjutsu is Bee.
Jiraiya wouldn't get past the first genjutsu followed by a finishing move.
The only way Jiraiya stands a chance in this battle is if he, for some reason or another, comes already in Sage Mode with Ma and Pa.
Barring that highly unlikely possibility, Itachi wins this. And even if Jiraiya is in SM, he still would have an insanely tough fight, and is not guaranteed a win. Look at who is doing all the work in the fight against Kabuto. Sasuke has needed to be rescued like twice from Kabuto, who is in SM.
+ rep man this was one hell of an argument. I think J-man would take this out by the evidence uv given but I also think its very "battle situation" dependant.
But Itachi vs Sasuke. Itachi doesnt want to kill Sasuke, Itachi just wanted to make sasuke strong but Itachi didnt show his full power yet we still have izanami :/
I think everyone assumed the thread creator was talking about a healthy Itachi, which means more chakra.
Either way, Itachi wouldn't need to use all of that stuff against Jiraiya. All of Itachi's fights are ended quite quickly. So far the only person to break out of Itachi's regular genjutsu is Bee.
Jiraiya wouldn't get past the first genjutsu followed by a finishing move.
The only way Jiraiya stands a chance in this battle is if he, for some reason or another, comes already in Sage Mode with Ma and Pa.
Barring that highly unlikely possibility, Itachi wins this. And even if Jiraiya is in SM, he still would have an insanely tough fight, and is not guaranteed a win. Look at who is doing all the work in the fight against Kabuto. Sasuke has needed to be rescued like twice from Kabuto, who is in SM.
1. quite a few people have escaped itachi's regular genjutsu.orochimaru would have, but was too close, Kurenai did, sasuke escaped all of them, naruto escaped by assist, kakashi escaped it via kage bunshin. And Jiraiya has the last two counters very readily available to him, he is very skilled at kage bunshin, plus, Ma and Pa. plus, Naruto made some headway in escaping one of Itachi's genjutsu, and Jiraiya, while still sucking at the art, is probably quite a bit better than he is at breaking them. naruto has 2 in the databook, jiraiya has 3 and seeing as he has no genjutsu, like naruto all his genjutsu skill is for breaking them. not to mention, not all genjutsu give rise to the capability to attack while it is made, only a few like the one used vs oro. most of the time, the user stands still. ofc, itachi works around this with his crow clones.
2. don't assume that jiraiya without sm is some weakling. he did very fine against konan without sm, and was confident enough to face down both itachi and kisame in part 1 without it. the only reason he went right for sm vs pain is because he was facing the rinnegan. and, he can enter sm with kage bunshin, go back and check the fight vs pain.
3. nobody is saying it will be easy. It will be an insanely tough fight, for both. Itachi has jutsu that Jiraiya will find it very hard to deal with, and Itachi also will find it very hard to deal with some jutsu like swamp of the underworld, goemon, lion's mane jutsu, needle senbon etc. saying itachi will win with one genjutsu is as laughable as saying that jiraiya will turn itachi into a toad after 30 seconds.
Also, Itachi vs Sasuke WAS a short fight. genjutsu battle, short spar, fire jutsu battle, susanoo vs orochimaru. it was a matter of a few minutes.
Jiraya wud beat itachi w high difficulty if he didnt have yata mirror & sealing sword, but itachi does have those tools so i think it wud b even. Sage mode wud do very well against itachi, just look @ how well kabuto is doing w snake sage mode against BOTH sasuke & itachi together, jiraya has way more experiance w sage mode and has mastered it more then kabuto. And dont say snake sage mode is stronger then toad sage mode, kishi hasnt shown evidence either way so i consider them even so far. Kabuto needs karins dna, suigetsus dna, and the other guys dna just so his body can achieve sage mood, j-man requires nun of that to reach sage mode because he has greater mastery of sm.
) this basically has the same effect as shinri tensei ma and pa can send back itachi by using frog song.
