[Discussion] why it's foolish to think the Apoo/Hawkins/Kid Aliiance would easily lose to Shanks?

[tyltyl]

First we're talking about Kidd and Hawkins who aren't stupid people. Apoo is more useful than you think. Killer is a strategist and Hawkins can predict the future. Let me just put place a scenario where shanks is utterly taken by surprise.

1 Kidd alliance manages to seperate Shanks from his crew.
2. Shanks could use King's haki but it doesn't work on devil fruit users and their likely to have knowledge of haki (in marineford some fodder were just fazed from luffy's haki and the ones that had devil fruits weren't effected.
3 Shanks has only one arm and Apoo can use his sound devil fruit to cause a piercing noise handicapping him. forcing him on the ground to try and cover his ears.
4. Kidd using his magnetism can take away shanks' sword.
5. Hawkins is interesting being called a "Magician" I wouldn't be surprised if he could cause someone to be dizzy/hallucinations.
6.And all 3 of them attack at once while Shanks is just laying there.

NOW in the story the 3 know they're going against a Yonko and have a plan. They're not weak by any means and if they continue their plan (if some how they survive against Kaido) ALSO you could say I'm underestimating Shanks. BUT never underestimate a group that has a plan. I LOVE Shanks but why people are laughing saying no way is beyond me.

 

[The Great Second Hokage]

I don't think Its foolish and haven't seen anyone say it is...maybe i'm not on enough. Their power is formidable but this is shanks we're talking about here...for the good of the plot he would win.

 

[Bimbonium]

I don't think Its foolish and haven't seen anyone say it is...maybe i'm not on enough. Their power is formidable but this is shanks we're talking about here...for the good of the plot he would win.

Yep it's Hype D. Shanks

OT: though I've seen a few people mention it, The alliance stands a better chance than Luffy's alliance imo.
we don't know if DF users are affected by CoC but it's likely they'll be as susceptible as their non-DF counterparts

 

[YellowFang]

I believe you...

Just like Law&Luffy think they can take on a Yonko by making careful and fruitful strategies, note that they are making indirect impacts w/o any need of confrontation... Here's SH's are just resources for Law, he's the one doing all planning...
But those three definitely are involved equally in it, if they pull the right cards at right time, they might give Shanks run for his money...

 

[1summon2]

Kings haki works on FDA users ( mr 3 marine ford) luffy knocks him out during his attempt at aces execution

 

[shivjee]

well how about it, shanks kill the one in an instant before the other two can react & don't say that shanks can't do that afterall he is a non DF user & yonkou so his speed must be godlike since only king's haki won't make you one of the emperor

 

[dms_kakashi]

lol... since when kings hakis weakness is DF. But they can resist that. but there maybe other power to it. And shanks is not letting them attack and just sit. He will be kicking their ass

 

[Punk Hazard]

Luffy and Law could barely handle Doffy. I doubt they're gonna be able to handle a Yonko.

 

[bajram]

From a story standpoint, the Kidd alliance thinking they can take out Shanks is as ridiculous as Law thinking he can take down Kaido, but the last one is probably going to happen so I dont see why the Kidd alliance cant do it, people need to understand that the worst generation including BB are going to have the biggest plot relevance from now on, as much as I like Shanks hes going to meet his end in the hands of BB or Kidd's alliance the same way Kaido is going to meet his end in the hands of Luffy's alliance.

So its definitely not absurd in the slightest.

 

[Caliburn]

That alliance can easily loose to Shanks, that's plainly stating the obvious. Even Law didn't give his own alliance that much chance of succeeding against Kaidou and there really isn't going to be that much difference in the chance of success for Kidd's alliance. From the story's point of view of course it would be rather redundant to have that alliance be crushed immediately by Shanks, but then again it's even questionable the alliance gets to go against Shanks when they immediately had to face Kaidou right when they created the alliance.

Also the King's Disposition works on DF users. In fact it's not even sensible to say it doesn't. Haki is one of the few things in the world that can negate DF powers and then somehow DF users become immune to the KD? DF also have nothing to do with Haki. Haki is willpower, the stronger your will, the more resistant you become against the KD. A DF user with a weak will will be knocked out just as easily as someone without a DF with a weak will and even if you don't get knocked out, you can still be affected by it.

Lastly these magic tricks and shallow gimmicks you are talking are really not going to work as easy as you make it out to be. The way you put it, every character in the OP world can easily be beaten by a few simple tricks like these, but this is a Yonkou we are talking about here. This is the guy who was able to reason somehow with Kaidou, a mad beast; this is the guy who was able to put an end to the War of the Best with his presence and his voice alone; this is the guy who could go toe to toe with the strongest swordsman in the world; this is the guy whose position didn't waver even after having lost an arm. WB didn't even die when half of his face was blasted of and was being hit by hundreds of bullets and cannonballs. Kaidou made a sport out of it to jump to the ground from thousands of meters up in the sky because it doesn't even dent him and Shanks belongs into the exact same little group of people as them. The reason why the Yonkou are so powerful and feared, is because they defy all common reason. Pirate alliances are really nothing new to them and DF users even less, so seriously kid's stuff like that is really not even remotely going to do anything against Shanks.

You can rip out his eyes, pierce his eardrums and cut off his other arm and the chances that Kidd, Apoo and Hawkins would lose to him would still be extremely high because that's the kind of existence a Yonkou is. Using magnetism to take his sword away? Making some loud noises? Use some magic trick to make him dizzy? This is all a joke. If this would be enough to take down a Yonkou, it's not a Yonkou.

 

[Angelic.]

They are already dead from kaidou xD or maybe an alliance with him would help.

 

[palmer]

I don't think Its foolish and haven't seen anyone say it is...maybe i'm not on enough. Their power is formidable but this is shanks we're talking about here...for the good of the plot he would win.

no i think its for ploy purpose that shanks will loss. because the new generation is meant to take over

 

[palmer]

from a story standpoint, the kidd alliance thinking they can take out shanks is as ridiculous as law thinking he can take down kaido, but the last one is probably going to happen so i dont see why the kidd alliance cant do it, people need to understand that the worst generation including bb are going to have the biggest plot relevance from now on, as much as i like shanks hes going to meet his end in the hands of bb or kidd's alliance the same way kaido is going to meet his end in the hands of luffy's alliance.

So its definitely not absurd in the slightest.

yes this^^^^

 

[palmer]

That alliance can easily loose to Shanks, that's plainly stating the obvious. Even Law didn't give his own alliance that much chance of succeeding against Kaidou and there really isn't going to be that much difference in the chance of success for Kidd's alliance. From the story's point of view of course it would be rather redundant to have that alliance be crushed immediately by Shanks, but then again it's even questionable the alliance gets to go against Shanks when they immediately had to face Kaidou right when they created the alliance.

Also the King's Disposition works on DF users. In fact it's not even sensible to say it doesn't. Haki is one of the few things in the world that can negate DF powers and then somehow DF users become immune to the KD? DF also have nothing to do with Haki. Haki is willpower, the stronger your will, the more resistant you become against the KD. A DF user with a weak will will be knocked out just as easily as someone without a DF with a weak will and even if you don't get knocked out, you can still be affected by it.

Lastly these magic tricks and shallow gimmicks you are talking are really not going to work as easy as you make it out to be. The way you put it, every character in the OP world can easily be beaten by a few simple tricks like these, but this is a Yonkou we are talking about here. This is the guy who was able to reason somehow with Kaidou, a mad beast; this is the guy who was able to put an end to the War of the Best with his presence and his voice alone; this is the guy who could go toe to toe with the strongest swordsman in the world; this is the guy whose position didn't waver even after having lost an arm. WB didn't even die when half of his face was blasted of and was being hit by hundreds of bullets and cannonballs. Kaidou made a sport out of it to jump to the ground from thousands of meters up in the sky because it doesn't even dent him and Shanks belongs into the exact same little group of people as them. The reason why the Yonkou are so powerful and feared, is because they defy all common reason. Pirate alliances are really nothing new to them and DF users even less, so seriously kid's stuff like that is really not even remotely going to do anything against Shanks.

You can rip out his eyes, pierce his eardrums and cut off his other arm and the chances that Kidd, Apoo and Hawkins would lose to him would still be extremely high because that's the kind of existence a Yonkou is. Using magnetism to take his sword away? Making some loud noises? Use some magic trick to make him dizzy? This is all a joke. If this would be enough to take down a Yonkou, it's not a Yonkou.

Caliburn has said it all. you know am kind off in a pitch now so i can't write,so i just pointing out what i did write that's already written . lol