Why Itachi's story is implausible

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So I found this very interesting and well-explained polite rant versus Itachi's story, or rather the point where he suddenly turned out to be good. Let me clarify a few things: I do love Itachi's character and I am in no way flaming him. In fact, he is one of my favourite characters in Naruto. I do find the points mentioned below rather funny, however, since they do make sense. By a lot.

I can't take credit for the detailed rant, it all goes to Animus of Masada, a fanfic writer at fanfiction.net(if given the time and interest, I would advise you to check out his works, they are most pleasent to read ^^ ). Here is what he/she nicely explained:

The whole Uchiha clan rebellion explanation does not make sense, no matter how you put it. I'll explain why:

1) The Uchiha clan was never very large. At most, it was maybe 100-200 people. Of those, only about 2/3rds, IF THAT, would be capable of participating in the coup. The elderly, the young (particularly genin), and those who are very out of practice would not be helpful in a coup.

2) Konoha's shinobi force of Chunin level or above numbers somewhere between 10,000-20,000 people.

3) The Hokage is a powerful guy with powerful summons. He's also very well loved by the village.

4) The ANBU force are elite, and loyal to the Hokage. Nearly all of the jounin are as well.

5) The Uchiha Clan was all located in a single place in Konoha.

6) The Hokage and the elders knew about the coup, and since Hiruzen tried to negotiate with the Uchiha, we know that the Uchiha knew that the gig was up.

7) Because of number 6, the Uchiha leaders would know that the Hokage could have most of ANBU, and even some jounin, surrounding the Uchiha district at any given moment, ready to move in and neutralize the threat. For the Uchiha leadership to walk away from the negotiating table in any way (or to not go there at all), they would have to be unbelievably stupid and insane.

8) Also because of 6, subduing the ringleaders of the coup would be relatively easy and avoid most unnecessary casualties. The threat of "we can kill all of you at any time" tends to work pretty well in that situation. Subduing the clan as a whole would not be that difficult either.

9) Itachi, ITACHI of all people, had no qualms about following Danzo's "kill them all" order, despite it not coming from the Hokage. If it meant not murdering children, his lover, innocent old people, his mother, and his best friend, such obvious alternative options would have given him pause. Also, no other ANBU or jounin tried to stop him.

10) The Uchiha already HAD tons of power and elevated status. The only thing they didn't have was an Uchiha Hokage, but there was no discrimination against them (Minato was not Senju, nor was Hiruzen, and nor was Orochimaru, who was considered as a candidate). There would be very little incentive to risk everything.

11) Itachi brutally mind-raped Sasuke twice, and drove him to insanity, abandoning his friends and his village, and encouraged him to murder his best friend. Does that sound like a loving older brother to you?

12) Even if the Uchiha clan was larger than we can reasonably guess, keep in mind that a single 13-year old ANBU captain managed to kill ALL OF THEM in a single night, without any of them putting up a significant fight. If that was possible, then imagine what 90% of the ANBU force with many jounin mixed in could do.

13) Itachi's deal with Tobi came from nowhere and—you guessed it—doesn't make sense either. Tobi's power should be capable of crippling Konoha singlehandedly in a single night. Obviously, despite wanting to very badly, he never did. Nor did he ever kidnap Naruto, despite a LOT of evidence that he had the ability to do so. There's obviously some reason why he never did (even long before the Uchiha Massacre), so Itachi's deal does not make sense, even if Tobi had any incentive to keep his end of the bargain. Also, how did Itachi even find out about Tobi, let alone find him?

14) It's not like Danzo to want to exterminate such a powerful kekkei genkai when alternatives exist. Ordering Itachi to spare the children would have made more sense, especially since said children would be easily influenced.

15) Sasuke has every right to want to kill Danzo and the other elders for the Uchiha Massacre. Killing people whom they KNEW were completely innocent, as well as many who could be subdued without killing them, was beyond excessive and monstrous.

I just wanted to share this insightful opinion with you guys and ask: what do you think of the matter? Did Kishi overdo it with Itachi's story and make it implausible?
 
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I think he exaggerated a lot by reading that. I never thought about it that way. The Uchiha clan would of literally not been able to do anything against the entire village. Unless, Kishi throws in stuff like using Izanagi and stuff like that. but who knows. +rep though
 

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No he was not exagerating. Look at the stupid op shit that the sharingan can do.
 

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No he was not exagerating. Look at the stupid op shit that the sharingan can do.

yeah, that's what I said right after. But also, I doubt most of the Uchiha besides the elites can do any of that OP shit that Itachi and Sasuke can do, for example: Susano'o, it's a very rare ability to use but idk.
 

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I don't think so. The uchiha clan was known as the most powerful in existance since the senju somehow weren't around. We have no evidence that the rest of konoha's forces number in the 10-20 thousands... as the chunin exam had only 11 participants from the leaf village, and in order for those numbers to make sense each class and exam would need hundreds and hundreds of participants.

The uchiha clan was never going to just murder everyone in konoha and take over. A coup simply means an overthrowing of the government, something that can be achieved by kidnapping 4 people. Hiruzen, Danzo, and the two Advisors, something sasuke alone has already started doing.

Kabuto traveling to every secret village and finding the corpses and dna of dozens and dozens of legendary shinobi is far more implausible than itachi finding madara/tobi, and tobi feared itachi's power as he is still immensely powerful even today.

As explained by pain, the gedo statue can only take tailed beasts in a certain order or it will collapse, it's likely that taking naruto as a baby and taking the nine tails is one such instance of this, and so needed all other 8 bijuu before taking the nine tails, which took the entire series up until the possibly near future.

Lastly, the Mangekyou sharingan puts itachi in a whole class of his own compared to his clansmen, and with the aid of tobi, they are FAR more than a match for the rest of the uchiha clan. Much has naruto would be raped by the konoha 11 two days before he obtained SM, but would kill them all highhandedly after mastering it.
 
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yeah, that's what I said right after. But also, I doubt most of the Uchiha besides the elites can do any of that OP shit that Itachi and Sasuke can do, for example: Susano'o, it's a very rare ability to use but idk.

Yeah but even 3 tomoe sharingan f*cking op :ice: but i get what you're saying, who knows. I still think the uchihas would have shaken konoha up enough for a 4th shinobi world war to start but thats just my opinion.
 

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Most of the Sharingan users were on a beginner's level, so I don't think they would have succeeded in the coup either. The only thing I can conclude from this was: Tobi lied about everything.

The reason why nothing adds up is because everything was told in his favor.
 

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No he was not exagerating. Look at the stupid op shit that the sharingan can do.

I think you guys are over-estimating the sharingan's powers. Yes I understand that the Uchiha are elite and feared and "powerful" but they don't have enough numbers to win against the village. They weren't all as powerful as Itachi, as a matter of a fact Itachi was the most powerful of them all. When you get outnumbered, you die if that wasn't the case then Hashirama and Tobirama would've lived a really long time.
 
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