Why is tobi not obito..

[-Broly-]

I thought it was an accepted fact that obito isn't tobi

 

[kellzfresh]

We haven't seen tobi's ms but we know he has ms abilities as he is able to control the kyuubi and uses his space time technique, probably for the reason you have mentioned and kishi will come up with some reason why he didn't show ms later

Yea could be true, but kishi has his reasons

 

[The Hidden Shinobi]

I thought it was an accepted fact that obito isn't tobi

Give one reason why

 

[kuramamode]

Alright I said I'd make a few points to support you if this thread didn't close, so here they are:

1. Chapter 507 and 510

In Chapter 510 we got the famous image of Konan getting stabbed in the back by Tobi and showing us that Tobi did in fact have two Sharigans:

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But what everyone seems to always forget is the fact that in three chapters before 510 in chapter 507, it was confirmed that before the Uchiha massacre, Tobi only had his right eye:

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We only see one eye in the panel and then Kisame confirms that Tobi only has one eye by stating "That eye, that shines in the dark." You could say that Tobi had one eye closed, but that would be a ridiculous thing to do if you were introducing yourself to someone for the first time, and it would be a major troll move on Kishi's part. And you could also say that the person in this panel isn't Tobi, but we know that's not true because Kisame confirmed this person was Tobi when he met him again in chapter 404:

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2. Rin's disappearance

After Kakashi Gaiden, we never see Rin again. But since we never saw Rin again, it made me wonder. In chapter 503, we get a panel of Kurunei, Asuma, Guy, and Kakashi. But it's only one year after Obito's death and Rin's already disappeared:

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That brings up the question, did Obito (or whoever was using his body) do what Sasuke couldn't do at the age of 13 and kill his best friend to unlock MS? It would make sense if Tobi had MS, considering the Uchiha panel says you need it to control the Kyuubi:

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3. Shisui

So far all MS users have had a brother that also unlocked MS so that one of them had the ability to unlock EMS. There are six MS users in Naruto, but right now Shisui and Obito aren't related. The two things that make me wonder about this is:

-Mei said that she couldn't help but think the technique Tobi used on the Fourth Mizukage and the technique Danzo used on Mifune are similar:

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-So Tobi had the same tech as Danzo, but he still wanted Shisui's eye for some reason:

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This makes me believe that Shisui and Obito were brothers, and that whoever is using Obito's body wanted to get EMS from Shisui's right eye

A lot of it's speculation, but the hints are there. This isn't the entire thing though, it's just a few points. So do whatever you want with all of this, just don't forget to cite me if you use it

in the last panel when tobi says damn you crushed the eye there is a ms eye and it looks exactly like kakashi ms eye peep that.

 

[Narutang 420 Sage]

Obito is not tobi:
1 if kakashi is older than itachi, then i think obito died before the uchia massicare which would mean he wouldnt of had eyes to train with madara
a) also, i thought the fight between the 4th and the masked man happened before the uchia massicare so where did obito get his sharigan from... one he gave to kakashi and the other was crushed.

2 about obito's eye not being completely crushed.... ok, maybe possible but he did say he couldn't feel the entire right side of his body so it had to of been damaged at the very least. will a damaged sharingan work...? who knows...

3 the colored pic of tobi with half of his mask missing is fan art
also the colored pic of the 4th to the right of kakashi's team, i think that is also fan art, i don't remember seeing that in the manga, also in that pic, their older then they were when obito died

the thing i hate most about your idea is that none of it is factual to the manga, just a bunch of made up happenings to support your idea.

*just realized this: tobi attacked the leaf with the nine tails the day naruto was born. sasuke is the same age as naruto. that means the uchia massicare didn't happen yet so again, if your idea is correct, were did obito get his eyes from to train with madara?

 

[The Hidden Shinobi]

Obito is not tobi:
1 if kakashi is older than itachi, then i think obito died before the uchia massicare which would mean he wouldnt of had eyes to train with madara
a) also, i thought the fight between the 4th and the masked man happened before the uchia massicare so where did obito get his sharigan from... one he gave to kakashi and the other was crushed.

2 about obito's eye not being completely crushed.... ok, maybe possible but he did say he couldn't feel the entire right side of his body so it had to of been damaged at the very least. will a damaged sharingan work...? who knows...

3 the thing i hate most about your idea is that none of it is factual to the manga, just a bunch of made up happenings to support your idea.

1: I never said he trained with madara someone else did I said that zetsu went fused with obito's body which was created my madara which he put his and the 1st dna into
a) Decent point buy we don't know how deep the rock crushed him it could of just pushed his sharingan back inside his eye socket

2)well yes as you said who knows

3) True but do we know who tobi is know so anyy point made of who tobi is right now is not fact and I think some things I had in my thread were facts. I backed up my points with facts from the manga.

 

[PositiveEmotions]

theres a possibility for everything just because some of you dont want tobi to be obito wont matter because its up to kishi to decide not us but giving the fact that kishi is giving out some hints makes us believe that it could be obito well us wise ppl anyways lol

 

[The Hidden Shinobi]

in the last panel when tobi says damn you crushed the eye there is a ms eye and it looks exactly like kakashi ms eye peep that.

It actually does but it could just look like that because it's far away

 

[kuramamode]

but why zoom in on that single eye its in ms form and all the others are 3 tomoe i think thats a big hint rite there.

 

[Shunsin no Shisui]

besides if tobi was obito, how would you expect him to know the whole of uchiha's history as well as about madara's life and rikudou sennin's life?? Also, obito was kakashi's best friend. Why would kakashi's best friend turn against him. The feud between naruto and sausek is understood but kakashi vs obito wouldn;t be?!

 

[The Hidden Shinobi]

Yh but what I'm saying it might not be in ms form but that sharingan has some meaning for it to be shown in one panel

 

[-Broly-]

Because he's dead

 

[The Hidden Shinobi]

besides if tobi was obito, how would you expect him to know the whole of uchiha's history as well as about madara's life and rikudou sennin's life?? Also, obito was kakashi's best friend. Why would kakashi's best friend turn against him. The feud between naruto and sausek is understood but kakashi vs obito wouldn;t be?!

As my theory says before madara died he created a powerful zetsu clone put his dna, memories and the 1st dna in it and gave it he's newly awakened rinnegan. Which zetsu put into nagato because he is an uzumaki which would equal sage body and sage eyes imitating the sage. And if this is true then im sure madara knew a lot about rikudou sennin's life. And in my thread as I mentioned if tobi is obito we don't know what happen to him during those 3-5 (not sure) years

 

[MickNerks]

i cant see tobi is obito.. but i do think tobi got a hold of obito's eye.

 

[The Hidden Shinobi]

Because he's dead

We didn't see him die we saw him telling kakashi to go and to look after rin and the cave was closing in that was it

 

[Narutang 420 Sage]

1: I never said he trained with madara someone else did I said that zetsu went fused with obito's body which was created my madara which he put his and the 1st dna into

but still, how can obito fight the 4th with no eyes, and even if he had one eye, who trained him in space/time jutsus? its a jutsu that the 2nd developed meaing madara didn't know how to use it to train obito or get zetsu to train obito for him... i just don't see how obito with 1 or no eyes and no teacher could come even close the 4ths level in a short time. And yes, i saw ur comparison to sasuke and naruto powering up so much in a short time but they each have circumstances that made that possible. (sasuke getting ameratsu from itachi and naruto training with the toad sage)
also, what motive does obito have for doing what tobi is doing?

 

[The Hidden Shinobi]

i cant see tobi is obito.. but i do think tobi got a hold of obito's eye.

That's basically what I believe but got hold of his body can't you see you f*ck'd up tobi's body is ripping off his arm with zetsu stuff falling out

 

[The Hidden Shinobi]

but still, how can obito fight the 4th with no eyes, and even if he had one eye, who trained him in space/time jutsus? its a jutsu that the 2nd developed meaing madara didn't know how to use it to train obito or get zetsu to train obito for him... i just don't see how obito with 1 or no eyes and no teacher could come even close the 4ths level in a short time. And yes, i saw ur comparison to sasuke and naruto powering up so much in a short time but they each have circumstances that made that possible. (sasuke getting ameratsu from itachi and naruto training with the toad sage)
also, what motive does obito have for doing what tobi is doing?

Hm well who taught kakashi kamui he trained him self so obito could of trained himself aswell. And your mistaken he went up against the 4th and lost pitifully their battle was a battle of brains not bronze. Yh and what i'm saying is if obito did survive we don't know what circumstances he went through. And what im saying to your last point is zetsu took over obito's body unwillingly

 

[BM Naruto]

If obitos right eye was crushed and kakashi got his left eye... How dies he have any eyes, and why do kakashi and tobi gave the same MS if obito should have no eyes

 

[Ciberr]

Ummm i like the theory .At least he gave a lot of reasoning with his theory unlike most of you who dont do shit and Comment on these .Good Theory ,Hopefully we'll see the true id soon .