Why is this Tobirama such a jerk?

Slug Princess · Feb 6, 2013

Why is someone who just caused problems to the village so narcissistic and self-sufficient?!

Obviously Tobirama was the most stupid Kage of all times:
-isolated the second most powerful clan of Konoha
-Created a jutsu to reanimate dead ppl. A jutsu that has caused the biggest chaos in Konoha and now the entire Narutoverse.
-Died to Kakuzu.

What's special about him?!
His attitude is terrible. Talking to his older brother with a tremendous lack of respect and he didn't even show a bit of sympathy when Orochimari said that Princess Tsunade was the Fifth Hokage even though she's his grandnephew and the last descendant of his clan which was once said TO be a legend.

What on Earth is wrong with Tobirama?

Yes, I hate him for all of that!
Because of him Tsunade is lining between Life and Death... He created a jutsu that brought BACK a shinobi that cannot be handled in this current time! (MadarA)

~Madara Uchiha~ · Feb 6, 2013

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MarkPaul · Feb 6, 2013

What special about him? His attitude. See how you reacted.

Resurrected Orochimaru · Feb 6, 2013

He's a bigot. He grew up in a time period of hatred against Uchihas and war and he was molded by it.

Altaneen · Feb 6, 2013

I still like Tobirama. He did what he felt he had to do for the village.

Slug Princess · Feb 6, 2013

Altaneen said:
I still like Tobirama. He did what he felt he had to do for the village.

but he failed and he was wrong... he didn't listen to his older brother who was said to be the leader of the Senju

~Madara Uchiha~ · Feb 6, 2013

Slug Princess said:
but he failed and he was wrong... he didn't listen to his older brother who was said to be the leader of the Senju

So he made a mistake? Hasn't Tsunade made plenty as well?

Zlad · Feb 6, 2013

Hahah, Tobirama is the coolest Hokage out there, and you misunderstand his death.

* He died by 20 Elite ninjas (Elite = Kakashi's level for example/Kinkaku and Kinkaku
* He is the perfect Hokage, a Hokage is supposed to be serious.
* Space time user and created jutsu's.

No wonder you hate him, Hashirama and him ****owned Tsunade

blackstar9 · Feb 6, 2013

I don't think kakuzu killed the second. Anyway i noticed he had his arms crossed the whole time. That indicates irritation, aggression, discomfort etc. Maybe that is just his personality. He definetly seems more anti uchiha then hashirama. But i agree with you that he made bad choices. How were the uchiha suppose to feel like a part of the village if you isolate them?

Slug Princess · Feb 6, 2013

~Madara Uchiha~ said:
So he made a mistake? Hasn't Tsunade made plenty as well?

for instance??

Slug Princess · Feb 6, 2013

Zlad said:
Hahah, Tobirama is the coolest Hokage out there, and you misunderstand his death.

* He died by 20 Elite ninjas (Elite = Kakashi's level for example/Kinkaku and Kinkaku
* He is the perfect Hokage, a Hokage is supposed to be serious.
* Space time user and created jutsu's.

No wonder you hate him, Hashirama and him ****owned Tsunade

when are you gonna realize that I hate you and I don't want you in my threads... why do you keep staking me?

blazekev90 · Feb 6, 2013

hmmmm, yeah no! He's the most BA Kage

Slug Princess · Feb 6, 2013

blazekev90 said:
hmmmm, yeah no! He's the most BA Kage

he's not BA , he got owned by random ninjas ... he's just narcissistic and self-sufficient and unnecessarily proud!

Zlad · Feb 6, 2013

Slug Princess said:
when are you gonna realize that I hate you and I don't want you in my threads... why do you keep staking me?

When will you realize that I don't give one jack shît if you hate me? You created a hate thread over a character which is not allowed, read the new rules.

Don't say stalker before you know what it means.

Slug Princess · Feb 6, 2013

Zlad said:
When will you realize that I don't give one jack shît if you hate me? You created a hate thread over a character which is not allowed, read the new rules.

Don't say stalker before you know what it means.

goodness!! LEAVE ME ALONE! forever!!!!!
I'm so sick of your BS!

Zlad · Feb 6, 2013

Slug Princess said:
goodness!! LEAVE ME ALONE! forever!!!!!
I'm so sick of your BS!

You created this thread which means anyone can comment, whetever you like it or not. My BS? Look at your BS dare

UchihaKira · Feb 6, 2013

bashing someone who sacrificed himself for a few shinobi much lower in rank than himself while standing up for a gambling addict/alcoholic xD

this is a joke before i get flame raped

KGB Kakuzu · Feb 6, 2013

This response of mine was origionally in response to the following question: Were Tobirama's actions just?

So my apologies in advance for the random existence of is his actions just in here; however, I believe I explain why Tobirama comes off as a jerk.

First of all it is good to denote Tobirama's personality: He is straight forward, blunt, and he doesn't sugar coat what he says. So clearly he distrusts the Uchiha, and because of his personality he comes of as kind of an ass.

We also have to establish his views on the Uchiha in order to respect just how much he actually did for them.

Tobirama clearly disliked the Uchiha...saying he hated them is honestly an arguable possibility. But why shouldn't he?! He grew up constantly killing, and having his friends and family killed by them. Finally, they decided to make peace....and then what happens? The leader of the enemy clan, that they were finally trying to get over their hatred and losses, decides to fight his brother in what at the time was a fight to the death. I have a brother (honestly any sibling would do) so I can personally say that if someone tries to kill him...it isn't something you would tolerate. Despite this he understood the problem that the Uchiha faced, and found a solution for it. He explained that the Uchiha's power comes from basically heart break, and this leads them to go basically crazy with anger and power. This shows that even though he hated his enemy, he understood them as well as respected them (telling Orochimaru he doesn't understand Madara).

Despite his mistrust of the Uchiha, and the risk they could pose with the prospect of heart break he still did what he did.

By establishing the Konoha Police Force he did 3 things:

1. Gave the Uchiha clan an important role to partake in for the village's sake.
2. Gave the Uchiha a way to utilize their broken hearts and power to keep criminals from harming the village as well as to keep them from losing themselves in madness by being able to exercise their power.
3. Kept Konoha save (having the Police standing right by the prision...not only police, but VERY STRONG police to catch any escaped prisoners or handle a riot).

By giving them this role he also could have tried to make those in the clan who didn't secretly support Madara realize and try to convince those who did that their was no reason to go against Konoha...because instead of a rivalry they now had a family home of a village to defend. This same concept explains why Kagami or whatever the name of the Uchiha that was in Tobirama's squad during his final moments was even in the squad. Despite not liking Uchiha, Tobirama still tried to involve them in Konoha. He even sacrificed himself trusting that the next generation (including the Uchiha) would defend Konoha.

Tobirama's actions seem very just (though we still don't know what is up with Edo Tensei...), but the problem is that his personality makes it seem like he is just being a completely distrusting douchebag....and this is exactly what the Uchiha who supported Madara thought. They thought Tobirama was just being a prick.

Gambitz1 · Feb 6, 2013

KGB Kakuzu said:
This response of mine was originally in response to the following question: Were Tobirama's actions just?

So my apologies in advance for the random existence of is his actions just in here; however, I believe I explain why Tobirama comes off as a jerk.

First of all it is good to denote Tobirama's personality: He is straight forward, blunt, and he doesn't sugar coat what he says. So clearly he distrusts the Uchiha, and because of his personality he comes of as kind of an ass.

We also have to establish his views on the Uchiha in order to respect just how much he actually did for them.

Tobirama clearly disliked the Uchiha...saying he hated them is honestly an arguable possibility. But why shouldn't he?! He grew up constantly killing, and having his friends and family killed by them. Finally, they decided to make peace....and then what happens? The leader of the enemy clan, that they were finally trying to get over their hatred and losses, decides to fight his brother in what at the time was a fight to the death. I have a brother (honestly any sibling would do) so I can personally say that if someone tries to kill him...it isn't something you would tolerate. Despite this he understood the problem that the Uchiha faced, and found a solution for it. He explained that the Uchiha's power comes from basically heart break, and this leads them to go basically crazy with anger and power. This shows that even though he hated his enemy, he understood them as well as respected them (telling Orochimaru he doesn't understand Madara).

Despite his mistrust of the Uchiha, and the risk they could pose with the prospect of heart break he still did what he did.

By establishing the Konoha Police Force he did 3 things:

1. Gave the Uchiha clan an important role to partake in for the village's sake.
2. Gave the Uchiha a way to utilize their broken hearts and power to keep criminals from harming the village as well as to keep them from losing themselves in madness by being able to exercise their power.
3. Kept Konoha save (having the Police standing right by the prision...not only police, but VERY STRONG police to catch any escaped prisoners or handle a riot).

By giving them this role he also could have tried to make those in the clan who didn't secretly support Madara realize and try to convince those who did that their was no reason to go against Konoha...because instead of a rivalry they now had a family home of a village to defend. This same concept explains why Kagami or whatever the name of the Uchiha that was in Tobirama's squad during his final moments was even in the squad. Despite not liking Uchiha, Tobirama still tried to involve them in Konoha. He even sacrificed himself trusting that the next generation (including the Uchiha) would defend Konoha.

Tobirama's actions seem very just (though we still don't know what is up with Edo Tensei...), but the problem is that his personality makes it seem like he is just being a completely distrusting douchebag....and this is exactly what the Uchiha who supported Madara thought. They thought Tobirama was just being a prick.

^^ Nicely put. I mean if you are going to blame the creator of edo tensei, you might as well blame the Sage for creating ninjutsu right? Tobirama is blunt sure, that doesnt make him a jerk, just blunt. As far as his treatment of the Uchiha, KGB KAKUZU said it.... he gave them a role. He understood the uchihas, and lets be honest its not like they were innocent. Look at the sages older son, madara, obito, sasuke...notice a pattern. They're not the only villains sure but they have issues which leads to them not being trusted. Just because they made peace doesnt mean the senju shouldnt be weary. I mean Madara tried to take over after the village was created. I'd say tobirama was wrong if he made no attempts to find a place for them. he might have kept them at arms reach but thats based on the Uchihas history.

KiraGirl K · Feb 6, 2013

KGB Kakuzu explained it well, as always. 
Don’t know what’s going on between you and Zlad but he made some good points, as well.
Regarding Tsunade: She made some mistakes > That is just a normal thing. Nobody is perfect.
But I won’t go in details bc honestly speaking I am bit scared here. xd

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