Why is revenge acceptable for Shikamaru and Team Asuma

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Yeah i know. I wanted to read/watch it to confirm this "he later says he only mentioned about killing the elders alone to make Taka go along with his insane plan."

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[Nagi]

Chapter 402. Last two pages

Thank you very much.

Darth Uchiha is wrong when he said Sasuke only mentioned about killing the elders alone to make Taka go along with his insane plan.

After reading from chapter 402 to 404, Sasuke have no intention of attacking the village. He only want to kill the elders. This is Sasuke with a clear head. Not the sasuke at his breaking point after killing Danzo.

 

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I already explained the word.

Here's a typical movie scene:

An hero on a mission to solve whatever mystery there's is fully knowing the potential danger. Then he got captured by some bad guys and a unfortunate bystander. The bad guys have bloodlust and wanted to kill the bystander, but the hero interrupted:

Hero: hey he's just a bystander, he doesn't know anything, he's innocent. If you want to kill someone, kill me!!

Bad guys: yea you nosey %&*%# shouldn't have been going against us in the first place, now die!!

Except they aren't trying to be heroes they're doing their jobs which is to protect, they did no wrong to him because he was the one invading and he killed them.

 

[Nagi]

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"Taking revenge against the leaf" is not killing innocent people or people who had nothing to do with the uchiha massacred. He only wanted to kill the elders. So far in this Thread, people are talking about the Sasuke before talking to the kages. Well they really are talking about the Sasuke at his lowest point in life(Right after killing Danzo).

 

[xxSAGExx]

But not for Sasuke or Naruto? Kishimoto has restricted them and has stated countless times that revenge will only bring one's own undoing. Sasuke is an outcast and international criminal for wanting his revenge, as well as painted as an absolute lunatic and hypocrite, while Naruto was not permitted to avenge the murders of his master or parents and was painted as too naive and trusting.

But when Shikamaru and Team Asuma wanted to find Hidan and Kakuzu and kill them for taking Asuma out, Kakashi was all about it and was a key factor for them getting revenge. So what is this shit?

Asuma's killers were S rank criminals who was going around abducting Jinchuurikis and killing people for bounty plus were coming to Konoha to capture Naruto. Sasuke's wanted revenge on the whole Left village because his clan wanted to do a coup to gain more power because they weren't given any because they were said to lose control which Madara out right told Obito he choose him because killing Rin would do that to him; Killers of the Uchiha clan were Itachi and Obito but Sasuke joins Obito to, at first take out the elders and Danzo but then decided to kill everyone in Konoha. Naruto's revenge would make him kill everyone in Konoha too since they all treated him like a monster and with hate, learning to get over this was basically his waterfall of truth test. Naruto also would want revenge on Obito but had he not been who he is now then he wouldn't have been saying all of those things he said to Obito which made Obito start to feel regret so Obito would have end up killing Naruto and Sasuke as the Juubi Jin.

Only team 10 was a good cause that also wouldn't lead them to certain death against a god-like foe.

 

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"Taking revenge against the leaf" is not killing innocent people or people who had nothing to do with the uchiha massacred. He only wanted to kill the elders. So far in this Thread, people are talking about the Sasuke before talking to the kages. Well they really are talking about the Sasuke at his lowest point in life(Right after killing Danzo).

That's the way you want to interpret it because it would suit your needs but he never once said the elders only in 402 it said he's Taka's goal is to crush Konoha which he himself and Suigetsu referenced multiple times, why else would Orochimaru ask him a few chapter later if he still wanted to destroy the leaf.

 

[Nagi]

That's the way you want to interpret it because it would suit your needs but he never once said the elders only in 402 it said he's Taka's goal is to crush Konoha which he himself and Suigetsu referenced multiple times, why else would Orochimaru ask him a few chapter later if he still wanted to destroy the leaf.

He did in chapter 404

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[TrollKing]

Except they aren't trying to be heroes they're doing their jobs which is to protect, they did no wrong to him because he was the one invading and he killed them.

Ok. Here's an example and a question

There's a place doing drug trafficking. The guards of the place have no involvement at all except attacking any intruders that is not welcome by the boss. When the cop arrest them, so are they innocent and let go free?

 

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Ok. Here's an example and a question

There's a place doing drug trafficking. The guards of the place have no involvement at all except attacking any intruders that is not welcome by the boss. When the cop arrest them, so are they innocent and let go free?

Guards are accessories, they're guilty of Drug trafficking as well.

 

[TrollKing]

Guards are accessories, they're guilty of Drug trafficking as well.

But they are just guarding the place and their job is not drug trafficking. How is that they are charged with offense they didn't do?

 

[V h o]

Ok. Here's an example and a question

There's a place doing drug trafficking. The guards of the place have no involvement at all except attacking any intruders that is not welcome by the boss. When the cop arrest them, so are they innocent and let go free?

How are the guards of the kage summit equal to guards of a criminal organization/group?

 

[Darth Uchiha]

Yeah i know. I wanted to read/watch it to confirm this "he later says he only mentioned about killing the elders alone to make Taka go along with his insane plan."

He says it right here

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But they are just guarding the place and their job is not drug trafficking. How is that they are charged with offense they didn't do?

Drug dealers guards aren't same as law enforcement,they are just as much involved in the trafficking as they boss.

 

[TrollKing]

How are the guards of the kage summit equal to guards of a criminal organization/group?

Criminal/terrorist/dictator/justice/rightful all depends on which point of view you look at. In the eyes of murderers, they believe they are right. In the eyes of a judge he believe he is right. So that shouldn't be the focus

 

[Darth Uchiha]

Ok. Here's an example and a question

There's a place doing drug trafficking. The guards of the place have no involvement at all except attacking any intruders that is not welcome by the boss. When the cop arrest them, so are they innocent and let go free?

Except these guards are actually protecting world leaders, one does not equate the other. That would be like saying cops in the US are all evil, or the US military is evil, because North Korea uses their military and police force to oppress their people.

 

[Darth Uchiha]

Criminal/terrorist/dictator/justice/rightful all depends on which point of view you look at. In the eyes of murderers, they believe they are right. In the eyes of a judge he believe he is right. So that shouldn't be the focus

So, I'm guessing the people that died on 9/11 are guilty and deserved death, because in the yes of terrorists they were bad?

 

[TrollKing]

Drug dealers guards aren't same as law enforcement,they are just as much involved in the trafficking as they boss.

So the reason they are not innocent, is it because of the involvement and connection with the drug place?

 

[V h o]

Criminal/terrorist/dictator/justice/rightful all depends on which point of view you look at. In the eyes of murderers, they believe they are right. In the eyes of a judge he believe he is right. So that shouldn't be the focus

Umm so was the holocaust right? From Nazi's view it was the suppression of an issue, from the world's view it was a genocide.

Either way, trying to play the perspective card, doesn't change what the world views as right or wrong.

So my question again, is how are guards of the kage summit equal to guards of drug cartel/crime organization?

 

[Darth Uchiha]

So the reason they are not innocent, is it because of the involvement and connection with the drug place?

Yes, but, your argument ultimately makes no sense, this is the same level as "Hitler thought evolution was real > scientists = Hitler" which just makes no sense.

 

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So the reason they are not innocent, is it because of the involvement and connection with the drug place?

Ummm exactly? they're not just involved with the drug place they're involved in the dealing itself.