Why is revenge acceptable for Shikamaru and Team Asuma

[Dannie]

Question: How was Sasuke's actions right?

Not all of his actions are right, but apparently his actions are worse than Madara's and Obito's. That's laughable.

Currently he is trying to better the world and not repeat the same thing. In the past he sought revenge but that is over now, hence the past.

If I want to seek revenge for whoever I hold dear to me then I don't see how that's a bad thing.

 

[Nagi]

No. You're just closeminded.


Sasuke wanted to kill everyone in Konoha and destroy the village. He said it himself, he wanted to hear them scream and cry in agony as he destroyed the village. Sasuke's revenge was that the Uchiha were sacrificed for the sake of the village. He figured by killing the villagers and destroying the village, he was getting revenge.

And yeah, that massacre was justified. The Uchiha were not innocent. The adults were all planning to overthrow the village leaders and plunge the village into war, causing many to die. If they succeeded, the village would have been weak from their internal fighting, and enemies would have attacked, causing more to die. The amount of people that died because of the massacre is far less than the number that would have died if they did their coup.

The only innocent Uchiha were the children, and there has been no indication that there were many children, the adults far outweighed the children. The Uchiha were no longer "innocent people", they were terrorists.

The world isn't as black and white as you're hoping it is, not all killing is bad, not all killing is good.

Why you gotta focus on his lowest point in life? At first with a clear mind, he just wanted to kill the elders and leave the everyone else out of it.

 

[TrollKing]

Honestly, because Team Asuma's revenge was just as much about taking down a dangerous criminal as it was about just revenge. Hidan was a homicidal maniac who was also an Akatsuki member, whether for revenge, or not, he had to be taken down. Also, Naruto's revenge wouldn't solve anything in his case, he'd have just killed Pain accomplishing nothing, the village would still be dead, and his hatred would likely still be there due to that. Sasuke, well, as was shown, he became so obsessed with revenge that, once he satisfied that thirst, he just went insane, and decided to begin killing innocent people, they aren't really comparable.

Having a wicked(revenge) agenda will never be right. Since its hidden, they can fool everyone, but in no way its ok. Sasuke is the same, its just that its not hidden and he never sugar coat it

 

[TrollKing]

Why you gotta focus on his lowest point in life? At first with a clear mind, he just wanted to kill the elders and leave the everyone else out of it.

Him saying he wants to kill innocent people is not accurate

 

[Darth Uchiha]

Why you gotta focus on his lowest point in life? At first with a clear mind, he just wanted to kill the elders and leave the everyone else out of it.

Actually, no, the very first thing he said after gaining MS was "We (taka) exist to destroy Konoha", he later says he only mentioned about killing the elders alone to make Taka go along with his insane plan.

 

[spade3dg]

Innocent means those that was not involved in the violent act at all. Going to places and work as a guard/cop/soldiers has to be ready for any violence act. That is not innocent

They wouldnt have been involved if sasuke didnt invade the damn meeting place. Its not like danzo was hiding from sasuke. He didnt know Sasuke knew the truth until their fight.. Sasuke couldve gotten to him.

He was still an international criminal at the time.

 

[Darth Uchiha]

Having a wicked(revenge) agenda will never be right. Since its hidden, they can fool everyone, but in no way its ok. Sasuke is the same, its just that its not hidden and he never sugar coat it

I never said it was right, I'm saying, it wasn't portrayed in such a negative light because

1. They were after a complete monster
2. They weren't obsessive about it
3. He had to be taken down, and was unkillable

 

[TrollKing]

They serve and protect moron, so you're telling me if you were a Guard at the U.N. you'd let a known criminal in?

You need to know what innocent means. You seem like the type jump up and down and lose control without understanding a sentence

 

[V h o]

Not all of his actions are right, but apparently his actions are worse than Madara's and Obito's. That's laughable.

Currently he is trying to better the world and not repeat the same thing. In the past he sought revenge but that is over now, hence the past.

If I want to seek revenge for whoever I hold dear to me then I don't see how that's a bad thing.

Well I was asking mainly about the kage summit.

Although him destroying the system is basically the same as Madara/Obito, albeit he is using different methods. It would've been better if he had the cooperation of others to "improve" the system, instead of what he is doing. It would've been fine with me, if they released the SA from IT, Sasuke gave his plan, people were split between him and Naruto's approach and then a battle erupted. I digress since this wasn't what my question was on originally.

 

[spade3dg]

I never said it was right, I'm saying, it wasn't portrayed in such a negative light because

1. They were after a complete monster
2. They weren't obsessive about it
3. He had to be taken down, and was unkillable

This / the original topic

 

[TrollKing]

I never said it was right, I'm saying, it wasn't portrayed in such a negative light because

1. They were after a complete monster
2. They weren't obsessive about it
3. He had to be taken down, and was unkillable

My point is that, I disagree with his motive of revenge is wrong which most people condone

 

[Nagi]

Actually, no, the very first thing he said after gaining MS was "We (taka) exist to destroy Konoha", he later says he only mentioned about killing the elders alone to make Taka go along with his insane plan.

Do you remember the chapter number or anime episode for this?

 

[TrollKing]

Do you remember the chapter number or anime episode for this?

That's when he awoken ms when crying. Then later obito ask him to clarify his "destroy konoha", then he said he only after the 2-3 old men(what a disappointment)

 

[-Spoiler-]

You need to know what innocent means. You seem like the type jump up and down and lose control without understanding a sentence

Nice dance around the question. also how was the samurais not innocent? i think its you that don't know the meaning of the word dude.

 

[Nagi]

That's when he awoken ms when crying. Then later obito ask him to clarify his "destroy konoha", then he said he only after the 2-3 old men(what a disappointment)

Yeah i know. I wanted to read/watch it to confirm this "he later says he only mentioned about killing the elders alone to make Taka go along with his insane plan."

 

[Nagi]

Nice dance around the question. also how was the samurais not innocent? i think its you that don't know the meaning of the word dude.

You lost the right to be "Innocent" the moment you attack somebody or attempt to kill another person. No matter how weak you are! Them Samurai should've leave Sasuke alone. Only a fool would take on an Ucihha.

 

[KingHashirama]

Sasuke's revenge was not justified. He wanted to kill innocent people that had nothing to do with the Uchiha massacre. Not only that, but the Uchiha clan needed to be wiped out because they planned to cause a coup and civil war, which would result in many deaths, and leave Konoha vulnerable for attack and war. Killing the Uchiha was the lesser of two evils, and needed to be done because it saved lives that would have been ended if they were left alone.

Yeah, they were both revenge, but Shikamaru's revenge was justified, Sasuke wanted to kill innocent people that had nothing to do with his problems.

@Bold, hopefully you know that was made up BS by danzo to justify him plotting against the uchiha..

 

[KisuneUchiha]

No. You're just closeminded.


Sasuke wanted to kill everyone in Konoha and destroy the village. He said it himself, he wanted to hear them scream and cry in agony as he destroyed the village. Sasuke's revenge was that the Uchiha were sacrificed for the sake of the village. He figured by killing the villagers and destroying the village, he was getting revenge.

And yeah, that massacre was justified. The Uchiha were not innocent. The adults were all planning to overthrow the village leaders and plunge the village into war, causing many to die. If they succeeded, the village would have been weak from their internal fighting, and enemies would have attacked, causing more to die. The amount of people that died because of the massacre is far less than the number that would have died if they did their coup.

The only innocent Uchiha were the children, and there has been no indication that there were many children, the adults far outweighed the children. The Uchiha were no longer "innocent people", they were terrorists.

The world isn't as black and white as you're hoping it is, not all killing is bad, not all killing is good.

Not all Uchiha citizens were planning a coup it was mostly just the adult males and few females. But the massacre killed off house wives, elderly people who couldn't even fight, little innocent kids who are naive to the problems going on, babies, etc. The massacre is just as wrong as what Sasuke was going to do. You are only looking at it from the village perspective when the same can be applied to both, Hiruzen at least put both sides into perspective, hence why he offered negotiations.
But Danzo came along and had all of them killed.

 

[TrollKing]

Nice dance around the question. also how was the samurais not innocent? i think its you that don't know the meaning of the word dude.

I already explained the word.

Here's a typical movie scene:

An hero on a mission to solve whatever mystery there's is fully knowing the potential danger. Then he got captured by some bad guys and a unfortunate bystander. The bad guys have bloodlust and wanted to kill the bystander, but the hero interrupted:

Hero: hey he's just a bystander, he doesn't know anything, he's innocent. If you want to kill someone, kill me!!

Bad guys: yea you nosey %&*%# shouldn't have been going against us in the first place, now die!!

 

[spade3dg]

Do you remember the chapter number or anime episode for this?

Chapter 402. Last two pages