Why is revenge acceptable for Shikamaru and Team Asuma

[Dannie]

I never mentioned "innocent people" in that post. And yes because the whole manga is a what if scenario.

I was demonstrating to you how the cycle of hate and revenge would continue. If you want to get technical, he still invaded the kage summit, which he had no business being there. KAGE. Not everybody that has beef show up. He invaded a professional meeting of the nation's leader with the intention to kill one, which is a crime. You cant cover that up in any way.

He invaded a place which was against the law, knowing before hand the raikage would be there, who just so happened to be the brother of the jon he attacked and tried to capture (crime) for the CRIMINAL organization the akatsuki. His revenge led him to be a criminal, thats why it's different from others

He invaded the summit solely for one man. He wasn't looking for a fight with the entire nation nor was he there to kill random people. He only wanted Danzo.

Since you want to get technical as well and play this game, I can also mention that the Sand also invaded the Leaf during the Chunin exams. I guess everyone in the Sand that allied with the sound that day is responsible for that affair and is just as guilty as Orochimaru, no? Or are you going to turn around and call it a military mission that wasn't bent on self resolve. Sometimes military orders are wrong. Surely what they was wrong as well, no? Or is it just wrong for Sasuke to try and kill one guy when multiple people are getting in the way?

Against the law? And? Many people in this manga do things that are against the law and yet they are justified all because it was an order from a higher ranked officer.

I can also bring up the Cloud trying to break into the Hyuga hideout just to be selfish and steal the secret of their Dojutsu, but I think you get the message.

No one said danzo was innocent but instead invading the summit he should have waited till danzo was out in the open but instead he created more problems and enemys and he was going to kill everyone in the leaf so tell me how is that jusified to attack people who have no clue about what happend at the uchiha massicure

Zetsu gave up his location and Sasuke had no choice as the samurai already found them out, so this is all irrelevant.

 

[ShiroT]

So letting the people who caused your life full of void to roam free won't cause more hate? Isn't that the exact reason why Sasuke left the village. Staying in a little nurtured village won't make the problems go away.

he left the village because itachi came back and mind raped him

 

[Migster257]

I've already back up on Mei as i showed i was wrong Lol.


Gaara killed people and he still Hokage.

Tsunade isn't any good for Konoha

i was wrong about MEi that was why i showed the facepalm ''to myself''

You can't even differentiate between a Kazekage and a Hokage.
You also can't remember who hired Akatsuki members.
Judging by your ignorance, I won't even bother arguing with you after this post.

So, you're already admitting Sasuke is unreasonable since Mei is innocent?
Gaara's Kazekage because he changed. He is currently innocent.
Tsunade is still innocent.

 

[-immortal-]

You can't even differentiate between a Kazekage and a Hokage.
You also can't remember who hired Akatsuki members.
Judging by your ignorance, I won't even bother arguing with you after this post.

So, you're already admitting Sasuke is unreasonable since Mei is innocent?
Gaara's Kazekage because he changed. He is currently innocent.
Tsunade is still innocent.

nagato changed is he a goodboy?

obito changed is he a goodboy?

Madara has seen light is he a goodboy?


yo Fk is wrong with u you wanne go hardcore bis boy?

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[spade3dg]

Sasuke's revenge: uses physical abuse to cause the death of itachi indirectly after declaration of revenge

Naruto's revenge: uses physical abuse to cause the death of nagato after declaration of revenge

He didn't want to kill him at the end, but in no one the manga saying him killing nagato is not acceptable at all. In another word, kishi trying to say its ok for naruto to kill nagato, but naruto is merciful

"Destroyed the village" actually means killing danzo and a couple more leaders(which I was very disappointed because I thought there would be more action)

Sasuke's revenge arc was over after danzo dead. Now he's not for revenge but for reformation. Why reformation? Because for the ninja world to created a monster like him, he feels something is really wrong in ninja world(danzo is not the only problem, just one of them)

Ending this here.

Itachi was already dying from his disease. Sasuke didnt indirectly kill him in any way.

Naruto didnt indirectly kill Nagato in any way.

Sasuke wanted revenge on his brother, Village, elders and everyone else in the world. Now he even wants to kill his best friend and the kages. Make up an excuse for that.


How the phuck is kishi saying killing Nagato is ok, when he didnt kill him. He blatantly showed that killing isnt ok by not making him kill, you stupid buffoon.

Sasuke is still doing things out of revenge. He wants revemge on the system that allowed for people like him to be made and his brother to be sacrificed. He still wants revenge. Nothing you can or will say can change that. Hes out for revenge. End of story. Its done.

Naruto didnt avenge anyone. No need to bring him up anymore. Thread wasnt about him in the first place.

 

[spade3dg]

He invaded the summit solely for one man. He wasn't looking for a fight with the entire nation nor was he there to kill random people. He only wanted Danzo.

Since you want to get technical as well and play this game, I can also mention that the Sand also invaded the Leaf during the Chunin exams. I guess everyone in the Sand that allied with the sound that day is responsible for that affair and is just as guilty as Orochimaru, no? Or are you going to turn around and call it a military mission that wasn't bent on self resolve. Sometimes military orders are wrong. Surely what they was wrong as well, no? Or is it just wrong for Sasuke to try and kill one guy when multiple people are getting in the way?

Against the law? And? Many people in this manga do things that are against the law and yet they are justified all because it was an order from a higher ranked officer.

I can also bring up the Cloud trying to break into the Hyuga hideout just to be selfish and steal the secret of their Dojutsu, but I think you get the message.




Zetsu gave up his location and Sasuke had no choice as the samurai already found them out, so this is all irrelevant.

The point is he STILL INVADED THE SUMMIT. No matter who it was for. He still commited a crime as an S rank international criminal.

Orochimaru is the sole reason for that attack. He killed the Kazekage and took control of the village to further his plans.

No they arent guilty. They were doing their jobs. It was an order. Just like the cloud ninja trying to steal the byakugan it was a mission. You dont see Konoha attacking those villages out of revenge. They became allies with the sand village.

Gaara crippled rock lee. Rock lee didn't want revenge. Obito is the reason for naruto being an orphan. Naruto didnt fight him out of revenge. He fought to protect lives.

The multiple people getting in sasukes way, were doing what they were being paid for. Security. There job was to secure the Kage summit. Sasukes job wasnt to go kill Danzo. He did that for himself. He invaded a place he had no business going to, and killed people that were doing there job.

How would you feel if you were working security and someone tried to kill you because they hated someone inside?

 

[Dannie]

Sasuke knew he couldnt get stronger by staying in the village. He has a superiority and inferiority complex. He seen Naruto getting stronger ( beating Haku, Neji and Gaara) and realized he was at the same level he's been at. So he decided to leave. Thus becoming a criminal.

Wrong idiot. Itachi came to remind Danzo not to kill Sasuke, as explained in Shippuden. He used the guise of trying to capture Naruto, to go see Danzo. Sasuke felt jealous that his brother didnt come for him, but for the person that has been upstaging him.

They were innocent because they were doing there jobs. They were guards at the kage summit. Sasuke shouldn't have been there. He was an international criminal at the time and was invading another country and a meeting of the leaders. Mind their business? They were doing there jobs you ignoramus.

No matter what, you cant defend his actions. His acts of revenge exceed any one elses by far.

1. Sasuke left for strength to kill Itachi. Fact

2. Moron, Naruto's growth was just the trigger for Sasuke's rage, but it was not the main reason as to why he cares enough to leave the village. Learn the difference and actually read the manga.

3. If you are instigating and trying to butt into another persons's affairs and fight them then you are not innocent. You are just as bas as they are for trying to fight back when they have clearly warned your ass to step back. You are using false information to try and suit your argument when in fact your argument is stupid.

4. That fourth line is probably the signal for me to leave and not waste my time with this shit.
I guess Sasuke's act of revenge far outweighs Obito's and Madara's too hm? Putting people in IT and starting a war. Summoning Bijuu's to destroy innocents and causing destruction all because if a little girl's death.

Clearly you are just trolling if you believe that Sasuke's revenge is the worst one. Unlike with Madara and Rinbito, Sasuke is actually doing things for a legitimate reason and not just on a whim of killing many people for the lols.

 

[-Spoiler-]

The point is he STILL INVADED THE SUMMIT. No matter who it was for. He still commited a crime as an S rank international criminal.

Orochimaru is the sole reason for that attack. He killed the Kazekage and took control of the village to further his plans.

No they arent guilty. They were doing their jobs. It was an order. Just like the cloud ninja trying to steal the byakugan it was a mission. You dont see Konoha attacking those villages out of revenge. They became allies with the sand village.

Gaara crippled rock lee. Rock lee didn't want revenge. Obito is the reason for naruto being an orphan. Naruto didnt fight him out of revenge. He fought to protect lives.

The multiple people getting in sasukes way, were doing what they were being paid for. Security. There job was to secure the Kage summit. Sasukes job wasnt to go kill Danzo. He did that for himself. He invaded a place he had no business going to, and killed people that were doing there job.

How would you feel if you were working security and someone tried to kill you because they hated someone inside?

@Bold is the only question that needs to be asked.

 

[spade3dg]

and became a crimnal for abandoning his village

1. Sasuke left for strength to kill Itachi. Fact


2. Moron, Naruto's growth was just the trigger for Sasuke's rage, but it was not the main reason as to why he cares enough to leave the village. Learn the difference and actually read the manga. If he couldn't beat naruto then he had no way of beating Itachi.

3. If you are instigating and trying to butt into another persons's affairs and fight them then you are not innocent. You are just as bas as they are for trying to fight back when they have clearly warned your ass to step back. You are using false information to try and suit your argument when in fact your argument is stupid.
What information is false? The fact that they were doing their jobs? Or the fact that he still invaded a place he had no reason to be in. He couldve attacked Danzo anywhere else. But chose a place that he shoudlnt have been

4. That fourth line is probably the signal for me to leave and not waste my time with this shit.
I guess Sasuke's act of revenge far outweighs Obito's and Madara's too hm? Putting people in IT and starting a war. Summoning Bijuu's to destroy innocents and causing destruction all because if a little girl's death. Their goal wasnt to cause destruction, but ti create a world without pain. The IT wasnt used to kill people, but to put them in a world where no pain exist.

Clearly you are just trolling if you believe that Sasuke's revenge is the worst one. Unlike with Madara and Rinbito, Sasuke is actually doing things for a legitimate reason and not just on a whim of killing many people for the lols.

Whatever you say man. Youre obviously a Sasuke suckup that synpathizes with a criminal.

 

[TrollKing]

Ending this here.

Itachi was already dying from his disease. Sasuke didnt indirectly kill him in any way.

Naruto didnt indirectly kill Nagato in any way.

Sasuke wanted revenge on his brother, Village, elders and everyone else in the world. Now he even wants to kill his best friend and the kages. Make up an excuse for that.


How the phuck is kishi saying killing Nagato is ok, when he didnt kill him. He blatantly showed that killing isnt ok by not making him kill, you stupid buffoon.

Sasuke is still doing things out of revenge. He wants revemge on the system that allowed for people like him to be made and his brother to be sacrificed. He still wants revenge. Nothing you can or will say can change that. Hes out for revenge. End of story. Its done.

Naruto didnt avenge anyone. No need to bring him up anymore. Thread wasnt about him in the first place.

Itachi was in bad health, but was gonna live longer if not for sasuke

Nagato was in bad health, but was gonna live longer if it weren't naruto

Again, the manga stated clearly his way to destroy the konoha is only targeting the few elders, not everyone

Show me a statement that anyone in manga condemn naruto's action of revenge. If killing nagato is clearly not ok, then you can certainly quote someone in manga condemning such action from naruto against nagato. Naruto was simply confused, he wanted to kill nagato but didn't kill him. He said he will never forgive nagato but apparently he did. Kishi is drawing his grey area on naruto

Sasuke is not revenging no system. Revolution is not revenge. He already said he once desired destruction but not anymore. Done let your hate cloud your judgement

If you ate my bowl of cheerios and I decided to get even by slapping you in the face, then I go and slap you in the face. I already made my revenge but you are still alive. I might have mercy not to slap your beautiful face and slap you butt instead. It is still revenge. Revenge is a very broad word, but no revenge is good

 

[Dannie]

The point is he STILL INVADED THE SUMMIT. No matter who it was for. He still commited a crime as an S rank international criminal.

Orochimaru is the sole reason for that attack. He killed the Kazekage and took control of the village to further his plans.

No they arent guilty. They were doing their jobs. It was an order. Just like the cloud ninja trying to steal the byakugan it was a mission. You dont see Konoha attacking those villages out of revenge. They became allies with the sand village.

Gaara crippled rock lee. Rock lee didn't want revenge. Obito is the reason for naruto being an orphan. Naruto didnt fight him out of revenge. He fought to protect lives.

The multiple people getting in sasukes way, were doing what they were being paid for. Security. There job was to secure the Kage summit. Sasukes job wasnt to go kill Danzo. He did that for himself. He invaded a place he had no business going to, and killed people that were doing there job.

How would you feel if you were working security and someone tried to kill you because they hated someone inside?

Summary: Because it's Sasuke that his actions are automatically deemed wrong.

 

[Dannie]

Lol so basically Obito and Madara's actions are ok and justified all because they only wanted to see everyone happy in IT.

Why am I wasting my time with this guy?

 

[TrollKing]

@Bold is the only question that needs to be asked.

Innocent means those that was not involved in the violent act at all. Going to places and work as a guard/cop/soldiers has to be ready for any violence act. That is not innocent

 

[V h o]

Summary: Because it's Sasuke that his actions are automatically deemed wrong.

Question: How was Sasuke's actions right?

 

[Dannie]

Innocent means those that was not involved in the violent act at all. Going to places and work as a guard/cop/soldiers has to be ready for any violence act. That is not innocent

Thank you. Holy shit.

So now guards that actually do their job and protect people are innocent. lmao at this base.

 

[Nagi]

****ing Good ass Point!

 

[Darth Uchiha]

Honestly, because Team Asuma's revenge was just as much about taking down a dangerous criminal as it was about just revenge. Hidan was a homicidal maniac who was also an Akatsuki member, whether for revenge, or not, he had to be taken down. Also, Naruto's revenge wouldn't solve anything in his case, he'd have just killed Pain accomplishing nothing, the village would still be dead, and his hatred would likely still be there due to that. Sasuke, well, as was shown, he became so obsessed with revenge that, once he satisfied that thirst, he just went insane, and decided to begin killing innocent people, they aren't really comparable.

 

[Darth Uchiha]

Summary: Because it's Sasuke that his actions are automatically deemed wrong.

Rather, it's because international terrorism is automatically deemed wrong.

 

[-Spoiler-]

Innocent means those that was not involved in the violent act at all. Going to places and work as a guard/cop/soldiers has to be ready for any violence act. That is not innocent

They serve and protect moron, so you're telling me if you were a Guard at the U.N. you'd let a known criminal in?

 

[spade3dg]

Itachi was in bad health, but was gonna live longer if not for sasuke

Nagato was in bad health, but was gonna live longer if it weren't naruto

Again, the manga stated clearly his way to destroy the konoha is only targeting the few elders, not everyone

Show me a statement that anyone in manga condemn naruto's action of revenge. If killing nagato is clearly not ok, then you can certainly quote someone in manga condemning such action from naruto against nagato. Naruto was simply confused, he wanted to kill nagato but didn't kill him. He said he will never forgive nagato but apparently he did. Kishi is drawing his grey area on naruto

Sasuke is not revenging no system. Revolution is not revenge. He already said he once desired destruction but not anymore. Done let your hate cloud your judgement

If you ate my bowl of cheerios and I decided to get even by slapping you in the face, then I go and slap you in the face. I already made my revenge but you are still alive. I might have mercy not to slap your beautiful face and slap you butt instead. It is still revenge. Revenge is a very broad word, but no revenge is good

Itachi was using meds to prolong his life so he could die at the hands of Sasuke. Fact. Naruto didnt know Nagato would kill his self. If he directly led to his death Konan wouldve killed him right there and then. And leave my butt and face out of it

Summary: Because it's Sasuke that his actions are automatically deemed wrong.

Lol so basically Obito and Madara's actions are ok and justified all because they only wanted to see everyone happy in IT.

Why am I wasting my time with this guy?

Im not justifying their actions. They still killed and used plenty of people. They were wrong. And acted out of revenge. At least their fanboys don't defend their actions religiously.

I dont hate sasuke at all. I think he is a well developed character, better than Naruto. But that doesnt excuse his actions. He still killed innocent people in his quest for revenge. Cant excuse that. No matter how you sugarcoat it.