Why is Itachi always compared to the Top Tiers?

[Senju Leader]

All you haters... And last time I checked he sealed nagato, and wasn't trying against kabuto, also... Sasuke should be up there, all you people underrate him so much it's not even funny.

He sealed Nagato with help from Bee and Naruto, How was he not trying against Kabuto when he got Cut in half and one shotted with genin genjustu.

I acutally like Sasuke but he hasnt shown to be top tier material yet. One more fight from him should give us a good view on where he is.

 

[tazze019]

I used to think the same but, i dont think minato is strong enough to battle susanoo. While on the ot itachi cant handle ftg. imo stalemate both die lol or give up and walk away

I'm so curios about that Susano. Do you think Itachi can keep up his Susano for the whole time? I don't so.

He sealed Nagato with help from Bee and Naruto, How was he not trying against Kabuto when he got Cut in half and one shotted with genin genjustu.

I acutally like Sasuke but he hasnt shown to be top tier material yet. One more fight from him should give us a good view on where he is.

Last time i check it was 3 against 1 with nagato...and itachi would been dog meat with kabuto if it wasnt for sasuke to help him

Not to mention that Nagato was being controlled by Kabuto.

 

[KidGamer65]

The sharigan is able to easily see through genjutsu's and break them. That is just the given feature of their eyes. Itachi is basically a master at genjutsu and Sasuke is pretty much average when it comes to it but his sharigan helps him. Itachi would by stats have no problem breaking it. It was Sasuke and seeing that Kabuto was right around the corner attacking he used Sasuke to break each other out. Sound genjutsu is just a normal genjutsu delivered by sound. The illusion effects are the same. Sasuke is just not as good as genjutsu as Itachi is. Frog Song for an example is a strong genjutsu because it is a sound genjutsu(which I believe is hardest and most effective way to catch people in genjutsu) but its the fact that its able to catch a mass amount of people at one time. Its not unbreakable like Itachi's Tsukuyomi.

Like I've said before. This battle is very situational. If Sasuke wasn't around then Itachi wouldn't have to worry about Kabuto trying to capture him. Itachi was basically shielding his brother and defending and attacking at the same time while trying not to kill Kabuto. I'm not saying he can beat him but its VERY situational when it comes to battles like these. If its a battle to the death then we will never know because Itachi wasn't trying to kill him at all but Kabuto on the other hand was hitting Itachi with death blows because A. hes and Edo and B. he is shielding Sasuke. If Kishi actually wrote out a battle between the two then who do you think he would make the winner? Itachi is an character who we have not seen his true potential. Him out of the blue being able to use Izanami is proof of this. Every time we see Itachi he has some new feats. It is very situational and really only Kishi can decide with a character like his.

You have a point there, and I do agree that the battle would have been MUCH diffrerent if Sasuke wasn't there.

All you haters... And last time I checked he sealed nagato, and wasn't trying against kabuto, also... Sasuke should be up there, all you people underrate him so much it's not even funny.

I seem to recall Naruto and B with him.

 

[Jman1997]

Last time i check it was 3 against 1 with nagato...and itachi would been dog meat with kabuto if it wasnt for sasuke to help him

You're right about both of those things, but if itachi wasn't there to help bee and naruto, what do you think would have happened?

 

[wyliejl]

You're right about both of those things, but if itachi wasn't there to help bee and naruto, what do you think would have happened?

Nagato would of got both of them....and if bee and naruto wasnt there nagato wouldà gotten itachi

 

[tazze019]

You're right about both of those things, but if itachi wasn't there to help bee and naruto, what do you think would have happened?

Bee and Naruto will die

 

[Jman1997]

He sealed Nagato with help from Bee and Naruto, How was he not trying against Kabuto when he got Cut in half and one shotted with genin genjustu.

I acutally like Sasuke but he hasnt shown to be top tier material yet. One more fight from him should give us a good view on where he is.

Not trying to sound like an itachi fanboy or anything, but it says in his bio on the wiki that he rarely tries since he dislikes fighting, he disliked it since he was a kid, and also, if he had intended to kill kabuto, I'm sure he would have used his full susanoo, and I'm sure if he had used totsuka, it would have ended much quicker.

 

[Itachi v2]

I GUESS IM THE FANBOY YOU'VE ALL BEEN WAITING FOR ITACHI IS THE BEST NUFF SAID, HE ISNT THE STRONGEST BUT HE'S THE BEST. THE REASON I ROOT FOR HIM IS BECAUSE HE COULD OF BEEN THE STRONGEST SHINOBI IN THE ANIME HONESTLY, but since he's not a main antagonist or protangist but a character that is needed for the story u can't blame KISHIMOTO for not giving him his full POTENTIAL. THINK ABOUT IT PLEASE. HE HAD SHISUIS EYE AND COULD OF TOOK SASUKES IF HE WANTED TO, THUS HE WOULD OF HAD THE EMS+THE SACRED WEAPONS YOU SPEAK OF AND INAGINE HIM WITHOUT THE ILLNESS KISHIMOTO DECIDED TO GIVE HIM, HE WOULD BE ON MADARAS LEVEL. IF NOT EVEN BETTER. So stop hating on itachi, kishimoto couldn't give him access to his full potential it would be to overpowering and only the wise will realize it. Where's my buddy ~Logic~ when I need him ? Itachi was Chunin at How old? Anbu captain at how old? He was more of a prodigy than minato. I'm not just saying this cause I'm his fan. I'm trying to be realistic. Do we want Itachi to have access to his full potential really? He would be UNSTOPPABLE. I could keep going but I'm done toodles

 

[Jman1997]

Nagato would of got both of them....and if bee and naruto wasnt there nagato wouldà gotten itachi

But the thing is, itachi's smarter than both of them, and you're saying itachi would have lost without them there, the only thing they really did was help destroy chibaku tensei... He was about to kill them both, and itachi saved them.

 

[wyliejl]

But the thing is, itachi's smarter than both of them, and you're saying itachi would have lost without them there, the only thing they really did was help destroy chibaku tensei... He was about to kill them both, and itachi saved them.

Ant that what i say about saving them... yea itachi would of loss without them there...

 

[Senju Leader]

I GUESS IM THE FANBOY YOU'VE ALL BEEN WAITING FOR ITACHI IS THE BEST NUFF SAID, HE ISNT THE STRONGEST BUT HE'S THE BEST. THE REASON I ROOT FOR HIM IS BECAUSE HE COULD OF BEEN THE STRONGEST SHINOBI IN THE ANIME HONESTLY, but since he's not a main antagonist or protangist but a character that is needed for the story u can't blame KISHIMOTO for not giving him his full POTENTIAL. THINK ABOUT IT PLEASE. HE HAD SHISUIS EYE AND COULD OF TOOK SASUKES IF HE WANTED TO, THUS HE WOULD OF HAD THE EMS+THE SACRED WEAPONS YOU SPEAK OF AND INAGINE HIM WITHOUT THE ILLNESS KISHIMOTO DECIDED TO GIVE HIM, HE WOULD BE ON MADARAS LEVEL. IF NOT EVEN BETTER. So stop hating on itachi, kishimoto couldn't give him access to his full potential it would be to overpowering and only the wise will realize it. Where's my buddy ~Logic~ when I need him ? Itachi was Chunin at How old? Anbu captain at how old? He was more of a prodigy than minato. I'm not just saying this cause I'm his fan. I'm trying to be realistic. Do we want Itachi to have access to his full potential really? He would be UNSTOPPABLE. I could keep going but I'm done toodles

If Nagato had his Legs he would have dodged and killed itachi, If Tobi had both of his sharigan he would be unstopable, if Orochimaru did not have arms sealed he would not have lost to sasuke. See where I'm going with this?

 

[FizzyDrink]

I don't see how Minato can beat Itachi. People ignore all of Itachis feats without MS. Minato fans constantly ignore his fighting style which is genjutsu and Minato has shown shit squat about breaking it. But really idc anymore because Minato fans will just say he throws a kunai at the best kunai blocker in the series. Telports to it and blitzs the guy who has a 5 in speed.

Honestly, I've seen both debates, and I see Minato with the upper hand. What do we know about him? He is incredibly intelligent. He was the HOKAGE. What does this mean? He knows about the Uchiha's prowess with genjutsu. Now, the main argument for this is "well, then why did he look in Tobi's eyes???". The answer is simple. Minato knew that Tobi was already using genjutsu on the fox. That by itself would take up a LOT of his concentration. So Tobi, because he was using genjutsu on the fox, would be unable to use it on Minato. Minato knew this, and freely looked at Tobi. So otherwise, considering Minato's knowledge, he would most likely not look in Itachi's eyes.

Added to the genjutsu argument is Minato's speed. If Minato is faster that the Raikage, and the Raikage could avoid Sasuke's MS focusing on him, Minato should also be able to avoid Itachi's focusing on him with his sharingan. This also puts genjutsu out of the question. Similarly, the same argument will obviously be used for Minato's ability to avoid Amaterasu.

So the last obstacle is Susanoo. I'm sure you've heard of the FTG radius argument. The truth is, in the end, that it would work. Even if Itachi deflects all of Minato's kunai (which he may have more of that Itachi has shuriken to deflect with) Itachi would be unable to predict where Minato teleports to. Minato could place seals on the ground getting closer and closer to Itachi, all the while using his speed to avoid genjutsu and Amaterasu, and also forcing Itachi to keep up Susanoo. This on its own basically dictates that Minato would outlast Itachi, because Itachi NEEDS to keep up Susanoo against Minato. Regardless of his 5 in speed in the data book, Minato is far faster, and would crush Itachi if Itachi attempted to conserve chakra by dropping Susanoo. So eventually, Minato would get close enough to teleport into Susanoo using the radius of FTG.

Another even more plausible way for Minato to win is to use the S/T barrier. Using this ability, Minato can warp projectiles wherever he wants, even inside of Itachi's Susanoo. That alone gives Minato the upper edge.

I will not deny that Itahi COULD win. But Minato would win the majority of the time. It would however, be very close. I have it at about 55-60/100 in Minato's favor.

 

[Dantee]

Honestly, I've seen both debates, and I see Minato with the upper hand. What do we know about him? He is incredibly intelligent. He was the HOKAGE. What does this mean? He knows about the Uchiha's prowess with genjutsu. Now, the main argument for this is "well, then why did he look in Tobi's eyes???". The answer is simple. Minato knew that Tobi was already using genjutsu on the fox. That by itself would take up a LOT of his concentration. So Tobi, because he was using genjutsu on the fox, would be unable to use it on Minato. Minato knew this, and freely looked at Tobi. So otherwise, considering Minato's knowledge, he would most likely not look in Itachi's eyes.

Added to the genjutsu argument is Minato's speed. If Minato is faster that the Raikage, and the Raikage could avoid Sasuke's MS focusing on him, Minato should also be able to avoid Itachi's focusing on him with his sharingan. This also puts genjutsu out of the question. Similarly, the same argument will obviously be used for Minato's ability to avoid Amaterasu.

So the last obstacle is Susanoo. I'm sure you've heard of the FTG radius argument. The truth is, in the end, that it would work. Even if Itachi deflects all of Minato's kunai (which he may have more of that Itachi has shuriken to deflect with) Itachi would be unable to predict where Minato teleports to. Minato could place seals on the ground getting closer and closer to Itachi, all the while using his speed to avoid genjutsu and Amaterasu, and also forcing Itachi to keep up Susanoo. This on its own basically dictates that Minato would outlast Itachi, because Itachi NEEDS to keep up Susanoo against Minato. Regardless of his 5 in speed in the data book, Minato is far faster, and would crush Itachi if Itachi attempted to conserve chakra by dropping Susanoo. So eventually, Minato would get close enough to teleport into Susanoo using the radius of FTG.

Another even more plausible way for Minato to win is to use the S/T barrier. Using this ability, Minato can warp projectiles wherever he wants, even inside of Itachi's Susanoo. That alone gives Minato the upper edge.

I will not deny that Itahi COULD win. But Minato would win the majority of the time. It would however, be very close. I have it at about 55-60/100 in Minato's favor.

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You're argument is flawed from beginning just like the rest who support Minato. Itachi. doesn't only use sharigan genjutsu. Minato also can't simply fight people without looking into the eyes. This is the fact everyone and I mean almost everyone avoids. Itachi always uses genjutsu in the beginning of his fights and I don't see Minato breaking it before Itachi cuts his neck off.

Susanoo and ms techs are a pointless argument in this fight because Itachi only uses it as a last resort and this match needs so sort of. The only way Ms tech he would use his Tsyukomi and like you said Minato wouldn't look in his eyes anyway.

Supposidly if mminato didn't look in him in the eyes he wouldn't know amaterasu was even being used. Then here comes the bs Minato has sensor abilities like Nagato. Really its just a pointless argument as this point. No one has yet convinced me he can fight without making eye contact, avoid amaterasu without knowing its coming. Evade all of itachis genjutsus and counter without still making eye contact.


I'm done with minato really.

 

[yondaime4]

I'm so curios about that Susano. Do you think Itachi can keep up his Susano for the whole time? I don't so.

well obviously not, my point was trump vs trump.

Yea but i dont think itachi can out last minato in long run... power i do agree cause minato really hasnt shown much that he can do..

From watching minato vs tobi i think minato has more chakra than average so with itachis sickness its not much of a match but could minato dodge an all out attack from itachi? maybe but i dont think we've ever seen it so hard to say

 

[FizzyDrink]

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You're argument is flawed from beginning just like the rest who support Minato. Itachi. doesn't only use sharigan genjutsu. Minato also can't simply fight people without looking into the eyes. This is the fact everyone and I mean almost everyone avoids. Itachi always uses genjutsu in the beginning of his fights and I don't see Minato breaking it before Itachi cuts his neck off.

Susanoo and ms techs are a pointless argument in this fight because Itachi only uses it as a last resort and this match needs so sort of. The only way Ms tech he would use his Tsyukomi and like you said Minato wouldn't look in his eyes anyway.

Supposidly if mminato didn't look in him in the eyes he wouldn't know amaterasu was even being used. Then here comes the bs Minato has sensor abilities like Nagato. Really its just a pointless argument as this point. No one has yet convinced me he can fight without making eye contact, avoid amaterasu without knowing its coming. Evade all of itachis genjutsus and counter without still making eye contact.


I'm done with minato really.

Could you at least read the entire argument? I also used speed as a reason (and a good one) for which Minato can avoid genjutsu. If Itahi cannot focus on Minato, then he cannot Catch Minato in a genjutsu.

Secondly, I never mentioned that Minato even knows what Anaterasycis. He probably does, but it doesn't matter, because of his speed. Did A dodge Amaterasu because he saw if coming? No. He was already moving to quickly for Sasuke to focus on, and the same would be the case with Minato.

You see, I am not like the other people who argue for Minato. I realize what has been countered and come up with new arguments. The ones above have NOT been countered. That is why I believe Minato wins.

 

[Dantee]

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Could you at least read the entire argument? I also used speed as a reason (and a good one) for which Minato can avoid genjutsu. If Itahi cannot focus on Minato, then he cannot Catch Minato in a genjutsu.

Secondly, I never mentioned that Minato even knows what Anaterasycis. He probably does, but it doesn't matter, because of his speed. Did A dodge Amaterasu because he saw if coming? No. He was already moving to quickly for Sasuke to focus on, and the same would be the case with Minato.

You see, I am not like the other people who argue for Minato. I realize what has been countered and come up with new arguments. The ones above have NOT been countered. That is why I believe Minato wins.

Minato doesn't even constantly ftg during a fight and I'm a firm believer Itachis base is equal to Minatos. You also haven't acknowledged no eye contact will hender his fighting style and Itachi can genjutsus someone without eye contact makes him the better man.

 

[Itachi v2]

If Nagato had his Legs he would have dodged and killed itachi, If Tobi had both of his sharigan he would be unstopable, if Orochimaru did not have arms sealed he would not have lost to sasuke. See where I'm going with this?

So the fact nagato would of dodged the attack means he automatically wins? HA and I never mention any of those characters nor do I care about them, but think about this.

You're telling me
Healthy Itachi+EMS+sacred weapons<orochimaru+arms
Healthy Itachi+EMS+sacred weapons<Tobi with his other eye
Please don't even talk. That's ridiculous. Itachi had the greatest potential power in the anime idc what anyone says.

 

[Senju Leader]

So the fact nagato would of dodged the attack means he automatically wins? HA and I never mention any of those characters nor do I care about them, but think about this.

You're telling me
Healthy Itachi+EMS+sacred weapons<orochimaru+arms
Healthy Itachi+EMS+sacred weapons<Tobi with his other eye
Please don't even talk. That's ridiculous. Itachi had the greatest potential power in the anime idc what anyone says.

I was not necessarily saying they were stronger, but I was saying that you cant play the what if game, you have to go with what is in the manga/anime.

And yes Nagato, and Tobi would be stronger then Itachi even with those powerups

 

[FizzyDrink]

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Minato doesn't even constantly ftg during a fight and I'm a firm believer Itachis base is equal to Minatos. You also haven't acknowledged no eye contact will hender his fighting style and Itachi can genjutsus someone without eye contact makes him the better man.

I understand that we cannot make definitive assumptions about his fighting style, but I presented a situation in which him doing that for of attack would lead to his victory. We cannot count out the fact that he CAN do that.

Secondly, you are entirely wrong that Itachi's base speed is equal to Minato's. Minato traversed the ENTIRE LEAF VILLAGE without using FTG in less than a second. Itachi has not shown anything near that level.

A fighting style with no eye contact is in fact easier for Minato than other ninja because he can teleport to kunai not within Itachi's line of sight. Another possible strategy, that, knowing Minato's genius, is probable.

And finally, as to Itachi using genjutsu on Minato without eye contact, yes, this could certainly be an ace in the hole. But if Minato has summoned even 1 frog to help him fight (also entirely within the realm of possibility) they can break him out, seeing as how Itachi's non-direct eye contact genjutsu is far weaker than his normal one.

And lastly, yes, I realize Itachi CAN use these things to win. But simply, the fact of the matter is that Minato DOES have the resources and the ability to defend against them. Whereas Itachi has no way of defending himself from an attack appearing out of nowhere from Minato's S/T barrier, and he would similarly have little chance to defend from an attack where Minato uses the radius of FTG, especially since Itachi doesn't know about the radius.

 

[wyliejl]

well obviously not, my point was trump vs trump.



From watching minato vs tobi i think minato has more chakra than average so with itachis sickness its not much of a match but could minato dodge an all out attack from itachi? maybe but i dont think we've ever seen it so hard to say

Actually we dont got much to go with minato...but wat we do i say 55-45 minato