Why is it really that Sakura is such a disliked character?

[mrsaphens]

and she acts like as if she were so important and must have the last word. but in reality she is a nobody.

Huh? Explain that please, because I don't get it.

 

[-Punk-]

she represents everything i hate in a girl !

 

[Momo86]

Well I suppose whether you consider honesty to be objective or not depends on your philosophical view of morality (if you do not consider it to be as such then you are a moral relativist). Her confession was deception, it was an attempt to use Narutos feelings to take him out of the picture so she could kill Sasuke (well at least that was the plan). Yes you could interpret it as relieving Naruto of a burden but if she thought Naruto was only chasing after Sasuke because of her then what she did makes no sense at all.

Once again, dont you think there is a reason why Sakura is disproportionately disliked by fans? Yes people jump on the bandwagon but there has to be a reason why there is bandwagon in the first place.

Your second point is false/ridiculous as most who dislike her are generally also anti Naruto/Sakura pairing and does not her masochistic obsession with a character who not only has never even remotely reciprocated her feelings but attempted to killer her I think twice also have anything to do with it?

1. philosophy is one of my deepest interest and, NO, the two things aren't equal. One thing is saying that something as justice or honestly exist in absolute, one other thing is saying that there exist an objective notion of those that everyone can just check to see if it applies. You said that Kishi's opinion that Sakura is honest falls short because honesty is objective. Don't you think Kishi's idea of honesty could differ from yours and deserve respect too?

2. the confession was deceptive in that Sakura loves Sasuke, not Naruto. Had him accepted Sakura's confession, though, she'd just end up being his girlfriend of his best friend while trying to forget the man she really loved, which in turn is hunted-to-death by the whole world. Now let me make this clear, this IS a manipulative behavior but Sakura isn't certainly putting his own interest above Naruto's here.

3. a bandwagon has to exist sometimes, some other times a vocal minority just creates a phenomenon called "an Informational Cascade" where an opinion is suddenly taken as the opinion of the majority with all due consequences, even if that wasn't such in the first place. The vast majority of Naruto readers and fans just do not post their opinions on the internet, which makes discussing this point moot. However, even if the 95% of the Naruto readers thought Sakura is a b1tch that doesn't make it automatically one truth.

4. you say that my point is rediculous but you are also validating it in the very same sentence. Most people who hate Sakura do so just because she is probably not going to be Naruto's gf and even if she were that'd probably be a bad pairing anyway. Which basically implies the reasoning: female character - is she background fodder? NO - is she some sort of a saint? NO - is she going to sleep with the main character? NO Do you hope she will? NO => this character = crap. In Naruto's case she is especially hated also because Naruto does love her, but she doesn't reciprocate.

Which sums up in: machism.

 

[The Hidden Shinobi]

So because lot of fans think that, it has to be accepted? Why?

And what are those reasons?

1) Sakura is a useless fighter -> false, she's among the top K11 and none other of the K11 is hated for being weaker than, say, Kakashi or Darui

2) Sakura manipulates Naruto/is mean to Naruto -> false, she repeadetly shows that she cares about him and that she feels guilty for the promise they made.

3) Sakura idolizes Sasuke -> false, she gives up on him sooner than Naruto does.

4) Naruto is going to be with Hinata -> I certainly hope so, but then again why does this imply that Sakura is crap? No answer.

5) she's frail and her will wavers, she can't always carry out what she wants to -> then why do we all (well, most of us) love Hinata? Is somehow a Hinata-specific right to be frail?

So you get: a lot of statements clearly contradicted by the manga, and one motive that basically signifies "If Sakura isn't Naruto's woman she's crap".

Free to think that. Just doesn't seem all that legit to me.

That's not the reasons not even near them. People don't like her character how she behaves and so on. There is other things she has done to make it worse but what you mentioned are not part of them.

Not going to waste my time talking about sakura. She is not like my most people. I think people just need to deal with it.

 

[Momo86]

Are you a retard or do you simply fail at basic reading comprehension? There's nothing "convenient" about what I said, idiot. It's all based on personal feelings :|

1. No one mentioned her being "mean". I specifically used the words "bossy" and "goody-goody". I couldn't give a shit less about how nice she is. I just don't like the way she carries herself.

2. I never said she was a bad character. Just that I dislike her personality. Don't make moronic assumptions.



No shit I'm biased, idiot. It's called having an opinion :|

You seem to think that repeating "idiot" will make you look good or intimidate me? Calm down.

Your personal feelings are not a matter of discussion and thus are not an opinion. I could say I personally hate the color pink and there could be no discussion over it. Tastes =/= opinions.

You are free to feel whatever you like about Sakura or anything else. Your feelings can't really be discussed. What you'd do with a "Sakura" if you meet her IRL is also your business only.

The piece of discourse that was barely similar to a rational point was: "People say Sakura represents human weakness => that doesn't excuse her attitude". But saying that she represent human weakness (which she doesn't and I don't think anybody said that, if anything she HAS humans' weaknesses) is not meant to put her above criticism or excusing everything she does. It just tries to be a point demonstrating that she isn't the evil mistress of b1tchiness people make her to be.

 

[Momo86]

That's not the reasons not even near them. People don't like her character how she behaves and so on. There is other things she has done to make it worse but what you mentioned are not part of them.

How she behaves falls in category 2) of my own post.

That said, I made my points. I don't wanna drag this till exaustion just as you don't.

 

[Momo86]

No, I just have a harsh vocabulary. Fucking deal with it.



Opinions are often based on personal feelings. I personally dislike the color orange, thus, in my opinion, the color orange is a shitty color. Objectively, it isn't, but then again, opinions are subjective. Common sense? You lack it.



Then what the fuck are you still arguing with me about?



You haven't been nearly long enough on this forum to know that, noob. I for one have seen several users make this point on different threads over the course of my time on NB, and they're making it seem as if "symbolism" excuses her flaws. My point was directed at those people. So I should say, don't stick your nose into business you know nothing about.

1. ah ok. Must say, I kind of like it. I'll keep my verbose and polite approach though.

2. no. Opinions are points. A reasoning supports them, then it may be an uncorrect one or a correct one. Feelings and tastes don't need reasoning and are just what they are. They may happen to be connected though.

For instance: "I dislike Sakura because she is not an healing shinobi" is an opinion founded on a wrong reasoning cause one premise is actually false.

"I dislike Sakura because I dislike character with tragic lovestories" is also an opinion, but is founded on a true premise.
Then, disliking such characters is just one's own tastes and can't be discussed and that's where a discussion ends. On contrary of what many think, a discussion doesn't necessary end with one side being brainwashed from another.

"I dislike Sakura because she plays with Naruto's feelings" is once again an opinion but generates a discussion because we don't agree IF Sakura does actually play with him feelings. And so on.

So, no, Tastes =/= Opinions no matter what you say.

3. see above.

4. ok then. I agree that symbolizing something does not excuse anything. Sasori and Orochimaru symbolize the obsessive quest for knowledge and improvement that defies even death, that doesn't excuse them for being murderers.

 

[Prometheus Beta]

1. philosophy is one of my deepest interest and, NO, the two things aren't equal. One thing is saying that something as justice or honestly exist in absolute, one other thing is saying that there exist an objective notion of those that everyone can just check to see if it applies. You said that Kishi's opinion that Sakura is honest falls short because honesty is objective. Don't you think Kishi's idea of honesty could differ from yours and deserve respect too?

2. the confession was deceptive in that Sakura loves Sasuke, not Naruto. Had him accepted Sakura's confession, though, she'd just end up being his girlfriend of his best friend while trying to forget the man she really loved, which in turn is hunted-to-death by the whole world. Now let me make this clear, this IS a manipulative behavior but Sakura isn't certainly putting his own interest above Naruto's here.

3. a bandwagon has to exist sometimes, some other times a vocal minority just creates a phenomenon called "an Informational Cascade" where an opinion is suddenly taken as the opinion of the majority with all due consequences, even if that wasn't such in the first place. The vast majority of Naruto readers and fans just do not post their opinions on the internet, which makes discussing this point moot. However, even if the 95% of the Naruto readers thought Sakura is a b1tch that doesn't make it automatically one truth.

4. you say that my point is rediculous but you are also validating it in the very same sentence. Most people who hate Sakura do so just because she is probably not going to be Naruto's gf and even if she were that'd probably be a bad pairing anyway. Which basically implies the reasoning: female character - is she background fodder? NO - is she some sort of a saint? NO - is she going to sleep with the main character? NO Do you hope she will? NO => this character = crap. In Naruto's case she is especially hated also because Naruto does love her, but she doesn't reciprocate.

Which sums up in: machism.

1. What I said was that what Sakura did was the very definition of dishonesty and so Kishis portrayal of honesty is obviously false. Deception is categorically dishonest.

2. This is extrapolation based on the assumption that she would have really started a romantic relationship with him, I dont see why this assumption is warranted but the point of the confession seems to have been to temporarily take Naruto out of the way to Sasuke (corroborated by the fact that she immediately left for Sasuke and attempted to confront him all by herself).

3. I said Sakura is disproportionately disliked by fans (i.e. that she gets a lot of dislike compared to other characters) and in my original post that she is probably the most disliked character by fans (I admit that this is an inductive conclusion not based on actual statistics but nevertheless it is a very persistent observation wherever you go). There has to be a reason why this is the case in the first place. The join the majority option requires for something to be at least prominent in the first place.

4. You have not even attempted to substantiate this bizarre argument (most people dislike Sakura because she isnt going to end up with Naruto). I personally find it difficult to believe because I could care less about pairings and I dont think the majority of the fan demographic (teenaged males) do to that extent either.

 

[Momo86]

1. Sakura isn't very deceptive, having attempted only one deception in her whole life which also wouldn't have been for her self interest even if it worked. Of course if she was defined by deception she would hardly be classifiable as honest, Itachi is a good guy but clearly you cannot define him a honest guy given he pretty much lived on lies and illusions. That's not the same case with Sakura nor even similar.

2. she clearly thought that Naruto could happen to see trough it (according to Kakashi) but if he didn't, what you think she'd have done?As far as we can tell, her whole goal was to remove herself as a reason for Naruto to try to take Sasuke back. It all leads to think that she was willing to be with him as plan A or else leave him confused and try to kill Sasuke as plan B, knowing that a) she'd likely die in the attempt b) Naruto would forever hate her and c) Sasuke would be "saved from a life of evil" but also never with her again. Even if she never thought that plan A could work as you seem to think, it still hardly classifies as a egoistical behavior. In fact I'd call it quite a self sacrifice.

3. as I said, we have no way to know what the majority thinks but, even supposing we could, what the majority thinks isn't automatically true. Unrelevant point.

4. I did, but perhaps I can't explain myself to you. I'm not saying people care that much about pairings and whatnot. I'm saying Sakura wouldn't be nearly as disliked if she was already with Naruto by now. Because much of the criticism comes from her not corresponding him. Basically, readers (male readers especially) often can't see what she's there for if she's the main girl in the show, is loved by the main guy in the show, yet doesn't reciprocate the main guy in the show. It's very common, also, and for many it's natural. Most boys who get rejected by a girl they like quickly lose all consideration of her all of a sudden and start calling her a b1tch, a mean person, a loser, a mediocre performer (at whatever she does), and so on. Sakura doesn't want to be Naruto's girlfriend and yet the two are still friends. Many male readers just don't get how that can happen.

As a consequence (not a cause as you're thinking) many who dislike Sakura are also Naru X Hina supporters. Not that I don't like Hinata, I'm merely making the point here.

 

[oShux]

Its no secret that Sakura is probably the most disliked character in the Naruto fan population. The most common reason Ive generally seen is that shes "useless" but I dont think thats true, her overall feats throughout the manga far outweigh any other character in the K11 bar Naruto.

I think the reason she is hated is simply her personality/character: shes whiny, temperamental, loud, impulsive and sentimental, i.e., she is the embodiment of the word b!tch (its like shes on her period 24/7 and this is especially true of the animes portrayal of her character).

When I watched anime, I developed an instinctive dislike of her character for these reasons, I see complaints about her role in the manga as rationalization tbh, I think those of us who dislike her simply dislike her essential character traits.

Pretty much this. I hated her since episode 3 of the original show. The way she used to treat Naruto made me disgusted.

 

[King Of Sharingan]

She just sucks...she should've died in episode 3

 

[immortal sage]

i dont know why she is so hated i actually kindu like her as a charicter

 

[Prometheus Beta]

1. Straw man, I never said Sakura was a deceptive character, my point is that Kishi claiming her confession was a portrayal of an honest girl is ridiculous/stupid as what she did was obviously anything but honest.

2. I disagree that her only goal was to remove herself as a reason for Naruto wanting to chase Sasuke. The village had decided to pursue and execute Sasuke and she also wanted to be the one to do so, that is why she knocked out the team she was with before confronting him. The confession was deception with good intent at best but this does not make it "honest", Kishi was probably lost for words, a more apt word to describe it would be realistic (and he did claim that Sakura is supposed to be a realistic/human character).

3. True but I believe this forum especially (since the majority of members seem to be teenaged/young adult males)is a good statistical sample of the fan population. And whether what the majority believes is true or not is irrelevant, the question is why Sakura is disproportionately disliked, I never asked for justified/legitimate reasons for disliking her.

4. I understand your argument but I think you are exaggerating the impact/relevance of the romance theme here: this is a martial arts genre manga/anime, I really doubt the majority of the fans watch/read the manga/anime for that reason. Sure it may intensify peoples dislike of her but I really dont think it is a self contained reason for dislike.

 

[Uchiha Riyo]

The only thing that I dislike about her is that she doesn't live up to my expectations. She's a great ninja with amazing strength and exceptional healing jutsu, but I would expect more from the heroine of the series. I also don't like the fact that she cries more than Naruto, who's parents sacrificed their lives right after he was born and was alone, and more than Sasuke, who lost his parents at the hands of his own brother. She has little to no reason to cry. She's much better now though, she has a strong spirit and she's determined, and she's doing a lot in the war even though she doesn't have much screen time. She's a great ninja, but not quite enough for a heroine.

 

[Prometheus Beta]

And meh for the sake of arguing with people here, I pretty much abandoned my own reason/cause for disliking Sakura . Personally, I never needed a plot related reason to dislike her, I simply dislike the personality depicted by her character as stated in my original post.

 

[MrsJDepp]

She's not my favorite character but there are too many Sakura hate threads at the moment..she was very useful in the war because of her medical skills. Moreover.. a lot of girls and also a few boys on the base like Sakura and they don't speak badly about your favorite characters either. So stop it.

 

[Momo86]

1. Straw man, I never said Sakura was a deceptive character, my point is that Kishi claiming her confession was a portrayal of an honest girl is ridiculous/stupid as what she did was obviously anything but honest.

2. I disagree that her only goal was to remove herself as a reason for Naruto wanting to chase Sasuke. The village had decided to pursue and execute Sasuke and she also wanted to be the one to do so, that is why she knocked out the team she was with before confronting him. The confession was deception with good intent at best but this does not make it "honest", Kishi was probably lost for words, a more apt word to describe it would be realistic (and he did claim that Sakura is supposed to be a realistic/human character).

3. True but I believe this forum especially (since the majority of members seem to be teenaged/young adult males)is a good statistical sample of the fan population. And whether what the majority believes is true or not is irrelevant, the question is why Sakura is disproportionately disliked, I never asked for justified/legitimate reasons for disliking her.

4. I understand your argument but I think you are exaggerating the impact/relevance of the romance theme here: this is a martial arts genre manga/anime, I really doubt the majority of the fans watch/read the manga/anime for that reason. Sure it may intensify peoples dislike of her but I really dont think it is a self contained reason for dislike.

1 & 2. My bad. I didn't know that Kishi described THAT ACT EXACTLY as one of honesty. It clearly was not.

3. I think she's disproportionally disliked for my reason 4). It really is the only one trait she has that no one else in the series have and that most female main char have not.

4. no, probably not. There are also genuine reasons to dislike her (e.g. disliking the particular sort of non-romance she has) and absolutely personal ones to do so (e.g. disliking the "monk" fighting style she has), plus like the poster above said, many of us probably expected more from her. I like Sakura but I see why people could criticize the character. Which just goes on for any character I like such as Sasori, Shino, Hinata, Obito, etc. What I'm saying is that she is so disproportionally hated for this reason, which I repeat once again is the only "fault" she has committed that just any other character in the series haven't.

 

[shelke]

It's not that she is useless, she's not not useful at all.

 

[BlacLord™]

She doesn't bother me whatsoever. People are so touchy and easily annoyed, I find it incomprehensible. It's ironic that people get annoyed about how easily annoyed she can be. xD

 

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