Why is it assumed Yata and Totsuka statements are hyperbole?

[Booker]

I laughed when you said all feats suggest Totsuka cuts down all enemies and that Yata blocks all attacks. :leaf:

-Kishi "stated" Kamui can't be defended against.

Disproven by Manga.

-Kishi "stated" that Kabutowari can break all defenses, nothing proved that wrong so I guess it can smash PS by your logic.

It can. You are not Kishimoto.

-Kishi "stated" Sasuke has god like speed.

Disproven by Manga.

-Kishi "stated" that anyone who fought Hebi Sasuke would surely die.

Disproven by Manga.

There's a section in their articles that tells us exactly what they do, supported by what the manga has shown us, when rid of all the hyperbolic statements.

That is additional information.

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Nothing here contradicts what was said before.

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Ditto.

Yata isn't blocking all attacks nor is Totsuka cutting down all enemies.

Feats and creator's comment suggest otherwise.

-They don't have the feats to support it.

Opposite, all feats they have support it.

-That is an obvious No Limits Fallacy.

You are not Kishimoto.

-Obvious hyperbole is obvious.

You are not Kishimoto.

Nothing here has suggested their hype is false.

I guess Hiruzen can only throw giant shuriken and make dirt walls then.

 

[Booker]

Feat: when something is shown in the manga
Hype: what you hear about what character can do.

Learn these then come back.

All the feats they have back up their hype.

Show me Yata not blocking something and Totsuka not piercing something.

Get out.

 

[Bronze]

All the feats they have back up their hype.

Show me Yata not blocking something and Totsuka not piercing something.

Get out.

Show me Yata blocking something as strong as Bijuu dama:heh:

 

[NarutoIndra]

Databook 1, Page 117 "プロフェッサー"と崇められる歴代最強の火影
The "Professor" revered as the strongest Hokage in history.

Databook 1, Page 119 "歴代最強""天才"など,三代目火影を形容する言葉はに満ちている.
"History's Strongest", "Genius", etc., there are many words that describe the Sandaime Hokage.

Yea, lets keep going by these insanely accurate datebooks..

 

[Smd]

Show me Yata blocking something as strong as Bijuu dama:heh:

some say he used yata mirror to survive kirin

 

[Booker]

Show me Yata blocking something as strong as Bijuu dama:heh:

I don't have to.

The creator of the manga stated it can block everything, and every feat is has suggests it can. The only conclusion is that it is invincible while it is up.

 

[KidGamer65]

Disproven by Manga.

Doesn't change the fact that it was hyperbole, and it was false, and it came from the DB, just like the hyperbole for Yata and Totsuka. Its been made pretty clear that every bit of hyperbole in the DB is false, you singling out Yata and Totsuka and saying they are true with absolutely no kind of back up besides "Kishi stated it so its true" bs defense when Kishi stated all those other hyperbole were true but ended up being shown to be false is nothing but pure bias.

It can. You are not Kishimoto.

This is where I stop taking you seriously.....

Disproven by Manga.

Read above.

Disproven by Manga.

Read above.

That is additional information.



Nothing here contradicts what was said before.

That is the factual information going off what feats have shown us.

Feats and creator's comment suggest otherwise.

Where are these feats you keeping harping on? Clearly they don't exist in this manga.

-Creator's comment said that Sasuke was invincible, and that was wrong. Totsuka and Yata are no different.

Opposite, all feats they have support it.

So Totsuka piercing and sealing Orochimaru means that it can pierce everything? You make no sense, at all.

So Yata Mirror blocking explosive tags and a sword means that it can block all attacks? Again, you make no sense.

Those feats prove everything that was in the panels I posted, nothing else at all. They prove that Yata can change attributes (It extended) it can repel attacks (Repelled the explosive tags and Sasuke) and they prove that Totsuka seals where it pierces.

Where are the feats that prove it cuts down all enemies? Where are the feats that prove Yata blocks all attacks? I'm still waiting.

You are not Kishimoto.

Do you even know what the No Limits Fallacy is? Yata blocking all attacks and being invincible is a No Limits Fallacy.

Nothing here has suggested their hype is false.

I guess Hiruzen can only throw giant shuriken and make dirt walls then.

Everything from the DB hyperbole wise has been false, Yata and Totsuka are no different.

Hiruzen can do more things, do we know what they are? No. Am I going to use them in any kind of discussion? Obviously not unless you can tell me what they do.

 

[Strict]

I laughed when you said all feats suggest Totsuka cuts down all enemies and that Yata blocks all attacks.

But the databook clearly defines the properties of the Yata mirror and Totsuka blade by saying how it works. It's not mere hype that says it blocks anything, crushes anything or is perfectly. Yata's defense was called absolutely perfect in front of Susanoo, which is already a defense which allows you to survive Kirin - a mountain buster. So this spiritual defense must be again on a whole higher level than Susanoo's defense already is. As for your example with Kamui; yes, there is actually no defense against it since it warps anything into another dimension, including the defense. Yet, I personally put the Yata mirror above Kamui, because it states how it blocks certain attacks - by changing its attributes in accordance with the attributes of the incoming attack, consequently negating it. This is not simply hype, this is the explanation of how this weapon is working. Feat wise, the Totsuka blade fodderized an Edo Uzumaki with Rinnegan by sealing him away in a powerful Genjutsu for eternity once piercing him. Note that once Nagato was pierced, Edo Tensei's control disappeared and he was unable to move a single finger, because at the moment Totsuka hits you, you lose all your powers.

I also but them above normal means, because spiritual weapons belong above any, or most earthly means for me.
That's my opinion on that matter.

 

[Bronze]

I don't have to.

The creator of the manga stated it can block everything, and every feat is has suggests it can. The only conclusion is that it is invincible while it is up.

That's why you Itachi's c0ck suckers cant seriously be taken. DB over exaggerated the Yata Mirror and Totsuka. Do you know what that means?

It means they are making it look stronger than it really does. Just representation to make it look greater so the fans can get excited. These things are not meant to be taken literally, that means you don't take them too true.

Yata mirrior can block some things but it cant block large scale attacks. Which makes it none less a hypebole . Period.

 

[uchihajaime]

Logically, an unbreakable/immovable object cannot exist in the same universe as an unstoppable force.

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People who are insecure about their character losing to Itachi label it as a hyperbole. In actuality Yata Mirror is just that good U_U

Just once I'd like to get through a thread without reading the ad hominem logical fallacy

 

[LO3]

Even Zetsu claimed that the Yata Mirror, combined with the Sword of Totsuka held in its right hand, essentially made Itachi's Susanoo invincible.

We're not the only ones who think this lol

That's why you Itachi's c0ck suckers cant seriously be taken. DB over exaggerated the Yata Mirror and Totsuka. Do you know what that means?

It means they are making it look stronger than it really does. Just representation to make it look greater so the fans can get excited. These things are not meant to be taken literally, that means you don't take them too true.

Yata mirrior can block some things but it cant block large scale attacks. Which makes it none less a hypebole . Period.

Resorting to name calling as usual.

 

[NarutoIndra]

some say he used yata mirror to survive kirin

No, there was no Yata Mirror in the Kirin scene.

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But the databook clearly defines the properties of the Yata mirror and Totsuka blade by saying how it works. It's not mere hype that says it blocks anything, crushes anything or is perfectly. Yata's defense was called absolutely perfect in front of Susanoo, which is already a defense which allows you to survive Kirin - a mountain buster. So this spiritual defense must be again on a whole higher level than Susanoo's defense already is. As for your example with Kamui; yes, there is actually no defense against it since it warps anything into another dimension, including the defense. Yet, I personally put the Yata mirror above Kamui, because it states how it blocks certain attacks - by changing its attributes in accordance with the attributes of the incoming attack, consequently negating it. This is not simply hype, this is the explanation of how this weapon is working. Feat wise, the Totsuka blade fodderized an Edo Uzumaki with Rinnegan by sealing him away in a powerful Genjutsu for eternity once piercing him. Note that once Nagato was pierced, Edo Tensei's control disappeared and he was unable to move a single finger, because at the moment Totsuka hits you, you lose all your powers.

Kamui was countered by FTG when Obito invaded Konoha. He didn't claim Yata is weak or useless, he's simply saying it won't tank anything. And the databook contradicts itself. if Kabutowari can break all defences and Yata mirror can negate all attacks, what happens? Clearly something will happen, concluding that the databook is incorrect in many areas, so saying one area is correct and one isn't is ignorant.

 

[Booker]

Doesn't change the fact that it was hyperbole, and it was false, and it came from the DB, just like the hyperbole for Yata and Totsuka. Its been made pretty clear that every bit of hyperbole in the DB is false, you singling out Yata and Totsuka and saying they are true with absolutely no kind of back up besides "Kishi stated it so its true" bs defense when Kishi stated all those other hyperbole were true but ended up being shown to be false is nothing but pure bias.



This is where I stop taking you seriously.....


Read above.


Read above.



That is the factual information going off what feats have shown us.



Where are these feats you keeping harping on? Clearly they don't exist in this manga.

-Creator's comment said that Sasuke was invincible, and that was wrong. Totsuka and Yata are no different.


So Totsuka piercing and sealing Orochimaru means that it can pierce everything? You make no sense, at all.

So Yata Mirror blocking explosive tags and a sword means that it can block all attacks? Again, you make no sense.

Those feats prove everything that was in the panels I posted, nothing else at all. They prove that Yata can change attributes (It extended) it can repel attacks (Repelled the explosive tags and Sasuke) and they prove that Totsuka seals where it pierces.

Where are the feats that prove it cuts down all enemies? Where are the feats that prove Yata blocks all attacks? I'm still waiting.



Do you even know what the No Limits Fallacy is? Yata blocking all attacks and being invincible is a No Limits Fallacy.



Everything from the DB hyperbole wise has been false, Yata and Totsuka are no different.

Hiruzen can do more things, do we know what they are? No. Am I going to use them in any kind of discussion? Obviously not unless you can tell me what they do.

- Stated in Databook by the creator of the manga to block/pierce everything
- Has absolutely zero scans suggesting this hype is not true
- Thinks Yata can only block swords and bomb tags... Lol. So you're saying in a debate you'd claim yata isn't blocking anything stronger than bomb tags? You're an idiot.

Thinks he can argue against the creator of the Manga himself. Yep, we're done here.

 

[Vegeto30294]

So when Itachi uses the Yata Mirror and Totsuka Blade, we just believe it as fact because DB said so.

When Kanji said it can't be defended against (it can only be defended by reversing the effects) We believe it as hype because DB said so.

I'm pretty sure if Sasuke ever uses Yata and Totsuka and it ends up having a limit, fanboys will say something like "it's only invincible in Itachi's hands because Sasuke is inexperienced.

Helmet splitter sword > Yata Mirror. No scans prove that it can't be stopped.

Yoroi > Itachi's Susanoo, he absorbs Spirit Energy as noted by Orochimaru

 

[LO3]

No, there was no Yata Mirror in the Kirin scene.

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Then he was protected by base Susano'o - a further testament to the defense of Susano'o alone.

If base Susano'o can survive Kirin, it's not hard to say that Complete Susano'o with Yata Mirror is invincible.

if Sasuke ever uses Yata and Totsuka

That better not happen...

 

[Zol]

It's just that the scale of things has risen to a completely different level since Yata and Totsuka were introduced. For instance, I don't think Totsuka is stronger than Nunuboko or the PS-BM-will of fire-power of friendship etc. combo of the last chapter, neither do I believe Yata could block one of them.

 

[KidGamer65]

- Stated in Databook by the creator of the manga to block/pierce everything
- Has absolutely zero scans suggesting this hype is not true
- Thinks Yata can only block swords and bomb tags... Lol. So you're saying in a debate you'd claim yata isn't blocking anything stronger than bomb tags? You're an idiot.

-Just how all the other hyperbole were stated to be fact but ended up false amirite?

-You have zero feats suggesting that this hype is true while I have the whole history of DB hyperbole showing that every bit of hyperbole that came from the DB was false.

-Never said this. I said that isn't blocking all attacks, obviously its going to block more than bomb tags. Read before you reply and don't put words in my mouth so you don't sound like an idiot.

Thinks he can argue against the creator of the Manga himself. Yep, we're done here.

The creator of the manga himself has shown multiple times that his hyperbole is false, but of course people who are actually daft enough to believe that Yata is invincible and Totsuka is cutting down all enemies forget all about all the other false hyperbole that came from the databook and harp on the "Kishimoto stated it" nonsense...lmao. Can't be taken seriously.

Not to mention there is a clear contradiction between Yata, Totsuka and Helmsplitter.

Helmsplitter is stated to smash all defenses while Yata is stated to repel all attacks and is a defense, so how is Yata going to block Totsuka or Helmsplitter? Now we have a paradox, meaning something is false here. I can't believe that you actually believe this Invincible Yata shit............come on now.

 

[uchihajaime]

- Stated in Databook by the creator of the manga to block/pierce everything
- Has absolutely zero scans suggesting this hype is not true
- Thinks Yata can only block swords and bomb tags... Lol. So you're saying in a debate you'd claim yata isn't blocking anything stronger than bomb tags? You're an idiot.

Thinks he can argue against the creator of the Manga himself. Yep, we're done here.

1. Databook has been proven incorrect before. proof from this very thread

Databook 1, Page 117 "プロフェッサー"と崇められる歴代最強の火影
The "Professor" revered as the strongest Hokage in history.

Databook 1, Page 119 "歴代最強""天才"など,三代目火影を形容する言葉はに満ちている.
"History's Strongest", "Genius", etc., there are many words that describe the Sandaime Hokage.

Yea, lets keep going by these insanely accurate datebooks..

2. Also has little evidence to suggest it lives up to its hype. However, the point is mute lack of evidence refuting your point is not evidence backing up your point

 

[KCMNaruto]

also Chibaku Tensei > Yata mirror ?

Why ? Because Itachi was too afraid to pull it off to save his, Naruto and Killer Bee's asses

Besides White Rage technique > Yata Mirror, why ?, because again Itachi know that Yata wouldn't work on Senjutsu

and Even Tayuya genjutsu wasn't blocked by Yata..., Could it mean Creator changed his mind but didn't want to give enjoyment to his haters that he contradicted himself, so he tried to show it in indirectly way

Only True Itachi fans could notice and understand that

oh also, Raikiri or Chidori was stated in Databook TO CUT THROUGH ANYTHING and so far chidori/raikiri wasn't shown to not cut through something.

So Raikiri CAN CUT ANYTHING, Yata Mirror CAN DEFEND ANYTHING.... wait... CONTRADICTION ! lol

Besides I am gonna laugh realy hard when in next Databook:

Yata and Totsuka will get limits or if Dust release, Tailed beast bomb etc. will be be stated TO DESTROY ANYTHING in their path ;p

Also what about Onmyoudon ?, Could Yata really stop it ?

 

[Booker]

-Just how all the other hyperbole were stated to be fact but ended up false amirite?

-You have zero feats suggesting that this hype is true while I have the whole history of DB hyperbole showing that every bit of hyperbole that came from the DB was false.

-Never said this. I said that isn't blocking all attacks, obviously its going to block more than bomb tags. Read before you reply and don't put words in my mouth so you don't sound like an idiot.



The creator of the manga himself has shown multiple times that his hyperbole is false, but of course people who are actually daft enough to believe that Yata is invincible and Totsuka is cutting down all enemies forget all about all the other false hyperbole that came from the databook and harp on the "Kishimoto stated it" nonsense...lmao. Can't be taken seriously.

Not to mention there is a clear contradiction between Yata, Totsuka and Helmsplitter.

Helmsplitter is stated to smash all defenses while Yata is stated to repel all attacks and is a defense, so how is Yata going to block Totsuka or Helmsplitter? Now we have a paradox, meaning something is false here. I can't believe that you actually believe this Invincible Yata shit............come on now.

How can you prove it'll block more than bomb tags but not enough for a TBB? lmao You're talking in circles.

2+2=5 False
2+3=6 False
2+2=4 True

It's all math. Just because most are false, doesn't mean all are.

I can show you Totsuka cutting everything it has sliced and Yata blocking everything that has hit it. Can you show me them failing?