[Discussion] Why Immortality would be hell

Yubel

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If you're reading this, congratulations on having achieved the primary goal with which we begin each day: You have avoided death.

We're big on this idea of not dying. We love stories of immortal vampires and invincible superheroes, each of us wishing on some level that was us. If we didn't have to worry about death, we could finally get shit done.

But could we? If you take a moment to think about it, you realize immortality is grossly overrated.

#5. Evolution Will Turn You Into a Freak
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Contrary to what many people believe, humans are still evolving. That's not a big deal if you have the kind of immortality that only lasts 1,000 or 2,000 years, but of course real immortality means you'll still be walking the earth, in your current body, a million years from now.

Science has no idea where future mutations might lead us by that point, so it's anyone's guess what your neighbors will look like in the future. You, on the other hand, will be walking around as the future equivalent of this:
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Their bodies and brains are going to continue to adapt to an ever-changing world. Yours won't. Will your digestive system be able to handle the same food they eat? Will your brain enjoy the same entertainment? Will your non-evolved tongue even be able to speak the languages they speak in the year one million AD? Would an unfrozen caveman be able to do all of that now?

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One thing we do know: You won't be getting any loving. It turns out that mother nature hates inter-species breeding, and is such a big cockblocker that science had to come up with a name to describe it: Reproductive Isolation. It's the reason there aren't packs of ligers or centaurs roaming around.

#4. Nobody Can Ever Find Out
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Let's say some kid goes rummaging around in your basement, finds that witch's old portrait of you and discovers that you are immortal. Word spreads and suddenly you're famous the world over. Sure, a lot of people might not buy the story at first, but folks have become famous for much less.
Sounds pretty sweet, right? Probably get a reality show out of it. But that's just scratching the surface. You're not just going to be famous; you're going to be a god. You have eternal life, which means you must know the secret to eternal life, which means you will immediately be the center of the world's newest and most popular religion. You'll be like a guy revealing himself to be Jesus, and proving it. Why would anyone continue to worship an invisible deity when they have a god walking around amongst them? Each morning your yard will be packed full of several thousand terminally ill people, or parents with their sick kids, asking you to grant them the same immortality you have.

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That, of course, is assuming a government or crime syndicate doesn't get to you first. Literally every powerful and wealthy person on Earth will decide that in your veins pumps the one thing they can't buy: freedom from death. They're not going to stop until they've spent every penny they can spare to see if they can turn your blood and organs into unending life for themselves. Think about the wars that were being fought over oil. The secret to eternal life would be worth far, far more.

So we're not talking about the occasional blood test and urine sample here and there while they let you stay in some five-star facility. It's more like you getting kidnapped and kept in some damp underground shack away from any civilization while they go balls out on your organs E.T.-style.

Get comfortable, because since nobody will know where you are, they can keep you there for as long as they want.

But let's say you give them the slip, and successfully keep your secret under wraps with a series of new identities. It's going to get awfully hard to keep track of all of them, because...

#3. You're Still Getting Older (Mentally)
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We're not saying that if you were to be magically granted immortality, you'd eventually get Alzheimer's anyway--we assume that the Elixir of Life you sipped will keep your brain physically young just like the rest of you. We're saying it won't matter.

Imagine if your cell phone number changed every week, and every week you were forced to memorize the new one. It gets exponentially harder because all of those old numbers are still in your memory, clogging up the works. Then imagine someone asked you to instantly recall the number you had five numbers ago.

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That's one reason your memory degrades as you get older. Your brain and its ability to store and recall memories is limited, but the amount of stuff you're asking it to remember keeps piling up over the decades.

That's a problem because your brain relies on not just storing information, but being able to rapidly recall it at a moment's notice. As time goes on, more and more memories pile up, along with names and dates and birthdays and anniversaries. Your brain can keep all that stuff organized for a while (say, the span of most of a normal human lifetime) but it's not like you can go into your brain and just delete files like cleaning up a hard drive. So useless stuff starts accumulating, clogging up the works and slowing everything down.

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Your immortal life and experiences may be infinite, but your brain's ability to store and recall them is not. It wouldn't be very long before your brain is piled up with junk like one of the houses on Hoarders. Your body will be young, but you'll still be forgetting people's names and telling the same jokes to the same person twice in one day. Though you'll still be perfectly capable of giving a grumpy speech on where you were when the World Trade Center was destroyed and how kids in the future have it so easy.

And, even if you find a way around this, you still have to deal with the fact that...

#2. Time Speeds Up Until You're Insane
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How many of you here are old enough to notice time speeding up? For those of you who aren't, can you remember when you were a kid and the school year finally ended and the summer was about to begin? It seemed like you'd been waiting half your life for it, while at the exact same time your mom was going, "Gah! Summer is here ALREADY?! " The fact is your perception of time speeds up with age. It's just math.

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Every year of your life seems shorter than the previous one since each passing year represents smaller and smaller portions of your life. It's the same reason a gift of a thousand bucks would be huge news to you, but meaningless to Bill Gates.

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So when you're 100 years-old, a minute will seem six seconds long compared to a minute when you were 10. If you live for 1,000 years, a 50-year marriage spent with a woman for her entire adult life, will have the same significance to you as the girl you dated for a few years back in college. If you live for 100,000 years, she'd basically be the nameless chick you made out with at a Weezer concert.

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Live to be a million, and people will seem to be just exploding in and out of existence around you, like a time lapse video of a mountain slowly eroding over eons while cities and nations appear and disappear around it, unnoticed. Entertainment will become a dull blur, as you see the same trends and ideas emerge, go out of style and then emerge again for a new generation who thinks they're brand new. You'll have the pleasure of seeing vampires go out of style, then become cool again in 2060, then 2150, then 2200, before you just stop going to the movies.

See, this is why Dr. Manhattan turned into such a **** in Watchmen. But it could be worse...

#1. You'll Eventually Get Trapped Somewhere (Forever)
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We spend so much time being afraid of death that we forget the one, overwhelming benefit death offers every species: cutting short suffering. Obviously when we talk about immortality we're picturing always being young and healthy, not laying in a bed suffering from lung cancer forever and ever.

But it's a dangerous world out there, and any number of freak accidents could get you stuck somewhere, with no escape, for the rest of time.

Say an earthquake strikes the building that you're in, and it collapses while you're in the basement parking garage. You're pinned under a million tons of concrete and drywall. All you can do is wait for rescue. Only don't count on being rescued, because the people in charge of doing that tend to give up when shit gets too hard to dig through and they've pulled enough people out to say, "We tried."

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OK, but really what are the odds you'll be caught in an earthquake (or any other disaster of that nature)? Well, if you live forever, the odds are pretty much 100 percent. Unless the world ends before it has a chance to happen. So now instead of getting trapped in a building, you have to worry about being the lone survivor of a nuclear war, or a giant meteor strike, or another Ice Age, or collision with another planet, or the sun dying.

Even if you make it out unscathed, you're now alone. You'll be forced to live out your life slowly going crazy like a less awesome Will Smith without any zombies to shoot. You won't even have the dog.

And that's assuming the Earth stays intact. A comet could come smashing into the planet like the Kool-Aid Man and send you hurtling through infinite space. Best case scenario is you only float through the void for a few decades before you crash on Mars. At that point you're basically passing the time until intelligent life evolves there. You're going to get really good at making sand castles.

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So enjoy your life while you're alive. But if you run across the Holy Grail, don't drink from it. It's going to end badly.
 

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well of course there are bad things. if it meant ethernal youth i would definitly chose it though. i mean yea its pretty bad that you see all your loved ones die... but so what? its not liked theyre killed. they have their life and die of a natural cause, i can definitly live with that. being imortal and eternally young would be hella awesome. you could see the entire developpment of the world, see evolution happen, bang chicks from every age... dude i would love that.

btw that first point is pretty wrong. the comparison to the caveman who was ice up is wrong because, you would be there to witness and see the changes there are. so you could keep up...
as for mental health etc. what they said wasnt correct either. because you constantly lose memories which you dont need and replacing them with new ones. while there is a capacity of memories you can hold, it doesnt mean that it fills and and makes you slower. thats bullcrap. the brain works like this: use it or lose it. the only reason people get slow with age is because of deteriorating neurons which comes with age. but as we established already that wouldnt be a problem for were having the scenery of ethernal youth here...
 
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I would go into a black hole and figure out what its like if I was immortal so it would be fun forever.
 

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well of course there are bad things. if it meant ethernal youth i would definitly chose it though. i mean yea its pretty bad that you see all your loved ones die... but so what? its not liked theyre killed. they have their life and die of a natural cause, i can definitly live with that. being imortal and eternally young would be hella awesome. you could see the entire developpment of the world, see evolution happen, bang chicks from every age... dude i would love that.

You'd also see the planet earth & it's inhabitants die out. Nothing lasts forever.
 

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life is too boring to live forever
 

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You'd also see the planet earth & it's inhabitants die out. Nothing lasts forever.

that would be awesome though. i could fly to another planet maybe find extraterrestial life holy crap.
 

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Good job ripping that out of a cracked.com article.But you do have a point,Immortality is a fate worse than death.
 

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Yeah, it sucks if you can't be with your loved ones.
 

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And worst of all, you would eventually start seeing the same articles reused over and other on other sites.

 

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Immortality? No thank you. I don't think I would be able to handle the heartache and loneliness. Unless there are others who could be immortal with me then maybe...
 

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It'd be the worst thing to anyone man. Just seeing the next generations acting retarded...
 

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Of course it will be bad.

Seeing your close one die and you outliving them would be hell.
 

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well of course there are bad things. if it meant ethernal youth i would definitly chose it though. i mean yea its pretty bad that you see all your loved ones die... but so what? its not liked theyre killed. they have their life and die of a natural cause, i can definitly live with that. being imortal and eternally young would be hella awesome. you could see the entire developpment of the world, see evolution happen, bang chicks from every age... dude i would love that.

btw that first point is pretty wrong. the comparison to the caveman who was ice up is wrong because, you would be there to witness and see the changes there are. so you could keep up...
as for mental health etc. what they said wasnt correct either. because you constantly lose memories which you dont need and replacing them with new ones. while there is a capacity of memories you can hold, it doesnt mean that it fills and and makes you slower. thats bullcrap. the brain works like this: use it or lose it. the only reason people get slow with age is because of deteriorating neurons which comes with age. but as we established already that wouldnt be a problem for were having the scenery of ethernal youth here...
Wow, you wouldn't miss your loved ones eh? Either the people around you are *******s or you're a cold son of a *****. I wouldn't be able to handle living so long after my family and everyone I know already died. It's my original memories which would be worth far more than anything I'm likely to experience as an immortal. Also dude, nothing you experience ever gets lost, it gets stored up in your subconcious. You can also recover lost memories, all it takes is a current experience to trigger the memory and the same way you won't get superpowers because of your immortality, your brain won't increase in its capacity. You're still a regular human being with one more limitation, the inability to die.
 

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Wow, you wouldn't miss your loved ones eh? Either the people around you are *******s or you're a cold son of a *****. I wouldn't be able to handle living so long after my family and everyone I know already died. It's my original memories which would be worth far more than anything I'm likely to experience as an immortal. Also dude, nothing you experience ever gets lost, it gets stored up in your subconcious. You can also recover lost memories, all it takes is a current experience to trigger the memory and the same way you won't get superpowers because of your immortality, your brain won't increase in its capacity. You're still a regular human being with one more limitation, the inability to die.


i have some pretty good people around me and im not cold as ****. as i said, when they die, they die. its not like they died early. when they lived their life and died as old people, why would i mourn their deaths? of course ill miss them, but time heals every wounds, especially the pain of loss.
and yes you are CONSTANTLY deleting like millions of terrabyte worth of data in your brain. every day, every single second youre receiving information (smell, sounds, visual information, temperature etc) yet youre constantly deleting it. do you remember your lunch last monday? how about which t-shirt you wore? do you remember the first thing you though when you went outside? most likely not. cause thats some information, which was never used since its happened thus it was deleted. "use it or lose it", look that up. its how our brain works. thats also how you get an expert for example at playing a violin, when youre doing it for 10years 2hours/day. stop doing it and you will gradually be worse. of course youll never lose such a skill, which previously used so much. but if some1 stopped playing the violin at age 10 and then started playing again at age 89 he would suck....cause most of the information about how to play violin as well the mechanical information for the fingers etc are lost, cause they werent used and needed. a waste of space. so if you are eternally young, and keep using your brain, youll never get the problems theyve mentioned. you would just be in a constant state of adaptation to new situations. your brain would also adat to the "fast time thing" which was btw a bot exagerated in that article, for you cant just compare it to bill gates and his wealth. just ask any old guy. sure theyll say time flies, but its not like at the moment youre feeling like its going faster. its only retrospective that you have that feeling..


here you go:
 
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i have some pretty good people around me and im not cold as ****. as i said, when they die, they die. its not like they died early. when they lived their life and died as old people, why would i mourn their deaths? of course ill miss them, but time heals every wounds, especially the pain of loss.
and yes you are CONSTANTLY deleting like millions of terrabyte worth of data in your brain. every day, every single second youre receiving information (smell, sounds, visual information, temperature etc) yet youre constantly deleting it. do you remember your lunch last monday? how about which t-shirt you wore? do you remember the first thing you though when you went outside? most likely not. cause thats some information, which was never used since its happened thus it was deleted. "use it or lose it", look that up. its how our brain works. thats also how you get an expert for example at playing a violin, when youre doing it for 10years 2hours/day. stop doing it and you will gradually be worse. of course youll never lose such a skill, which previously used so much. but if some1 stopped playing the violin at age 10 and then started playing again at age 89 he would suck....cause most of the information about how to play violin as well the mechanical information for the fingers etc are lost, cause they werent used and needed. a waste of space. so if you are eternally young, and keep using your brain, youll never get the problems theyve mentioned. you would just be in a constant state of adaptation to new situations. your brain would also adat to the "fast time thing" which was btw a bot exagerated in that article, for you cant just compare it to bill gates and his wealth. just ask any old guy. sure theyll say time flies, but its not like at the moment youre feeling like its going faster. its only retrospective that you have that feeling..


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About the time speeding up thing, yeah sure you won't feel much difference now but as an immortal you'll look back and experience a millennium compressed in what felt like an hour. Last september I left home to study in university, now that I'm back it's almost like I never left. The acceleration of time is merely our perception but that doesn't change the fact that it's happening faster and faster the older we get.
 

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There is no such thing as immortality. Death will in the end knock your door no matter what quantum rules you are bound to .
 

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Evolution doesn't mean "advance" it means adapt to environment. Via survival of the fittest.

Humans are not evolving. We all reproduce; from the greatest of us to the least because we take care of those weaker than us, sicker than us, poorer than us. We have, through altruism, deactivated the mechanism for evolution. # of offspring isn't correlated to any trait or attribute. And it never worked the way you thought anyway (psychic, esp, etc)

We may adapt and evolve on a micro level as we build immunity to plagues and viruses - but even there with vaccines and penicillin we halt the mechanism for survival of the fittest. And a human with "polio immunity" won't look different than one without. Evolution doesn't mean advance. If dumber and brutish worked better then that's what we'd get.

I could live forever with God but God is also the reason no one, no alien (which are angels, fallen angels and demons) could entice me with immortality on THIS world. I'm just a sojourner here.
 

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A lot of those points are wrong/scientifically incorrect.

The only major downside is not being able to die, but that of course isn't a problem since completely annihilating your body would kill you anyway... can't regen from nothing. Either that or create an antidote of death so you can choose when you die.
 
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