Why I'm perfectly fine with Kaguya as the FV

[Tsunade123]

No offense but Kaguya is a terrible villain. She fell pray to Naruto's harem jutsu.

I mean she's been sealed for thousands of years who knows how long it's been since she's seen a ****...

 

[Floydical]

I mean she's been sealed for thousands of years who knows how long it's been since she's seen a ****...

Exactly... well the bolded anyway. She's an evil not of our time so how can anyone treat her like a normal villain?

 

[cptenn94]

Exactly... well the bolded anyway. She's an evil not of our time so how can anyone treat her like a normal villain?

Hey man. You brought some good insight into kaguya.

I personally was thinking about kaguya and how she fits or doesnt as a villian..

What I found was that her fighting matches up well to what should be expected, and black zetsu being the talking one is also what should be expected.

Here you have a ancient evil, whom has not been around to witness the different ninja techniques that have been developed.
She lived with godlike power in a time where there was noone who could even come close to rivaling her power other than her sons.

As such her powers should be expected to not be heavily developed or trained. As black zetsu has been around for 1000 years, he has had plenty of experiance of battles. So it makes sense he is the "brains".

My only real gripe and issue with her , is how she is nothing. Black zetsu has to tell naruto and sasuke they remind her of her sons.

Kaguya should at least be able to say "You two troublemakers remind me of my rebellious sons" or something. But instead she is nearly mute. To be honest konohamaru has said more diologue than she has. Maybe even konohamarus teammates.

 

[Gααrα]

The base in general has serious issues with Kaguya being the final villain. From what I can gather, the 3 main gripes are as follows:

1. She never talks, BZ does all her talking.
2. She has little to no background, making her a villain with weak intentions and motives.
3. Her fighting has become stale and uneventful.

But the way I see it, Kaguya is a completely unique villain and needs to be treated as such. Kaguya is less like a villain in the Naruto universe, and more like the ultimate evil. By ultimate evil I mean she needs no true intentions, she is simply there to either take everything for herself or destroy all existence. Not unlike an ultimate evil who's only intention is to destroy the world as one knows it. Liken her, if you will, to Zorc of the Yu-Gi-Oh series. Zorc was the source of all evil. He stated that at the depths of every source of light there is darkness. He likened himself to pure evil. Pure evil needs no greater goal or insidious intentions, simply their existence implies destruction and suffering. So don't treat her as a normal villain, treat her as the Naruto universe's most ancient evil.

Moreover, as ancient and evil as she is, what emotions does she need to share with her opponents? Most villians have strong reasons for what they do and have a need to satisfy their enemy's desire to understand them. We often are taken deep into the mind of the villain and are forced to decide whether or not we think their actions are even remotely justified. If you're dealing with a true evil presence, what need is there to have this insight? What need is there for her to require justifying her actions? The truth is that there is no need because you can't rightly require that of her. She has no relation to current cast of characters and has no reason to justify herself. She is simply adhering to her ancient desire to absorb power.

When it comes to how she fights, she was always powerful enough to destroy her enemies very quickly. Surely only her sons could ever stand up to her and they likely ambushed her not allowing her to fight back. What level of technique variety would be required of the almighty power in the universe? Why would she need to know anything beyond the dimension tech to kill any and all opposition?

Cleary I am not even giving her full credit. We have already been given a decent amount of history for her, she actually has a plan in the Zetsu army and she clearly has more techniques than the dimension tech, yet people still dislike her. So please don't judge Kaguya as a mainstream Naruto villain. Please liken her to a greater evil, the ultimate evil of the Naruto universe and then judge her. If you have additional reasons to dislike Kaguya, feel free to post them here.

nice yea she's d badas$ villian

 

[kageking]

OT people who don't like kaguya as fv are butthurt madara fanboys

 

[Rohan]

I highly doubt she is the final villian. There are just too many factors against her. Edo Hokages, Rikudou tools and Orochimaru. I think Kishi might use her as a power device for the Final Villian.

 

[Lord Orochimaru]

Orochimaru is the final villain, not Kaguya or perhaps Orochimaru will become a good person and then Kaguya maybe the final villain.

 

[Leinad Sotam]

It´s not that I like or dislike Kaguya, in my opinion I believe Kaguya can´t be judge as a villain (yet) because BZ is in someway manipulating her you can see my theory on this matter on my sig. Enjoy if you want to.

 

[evilmayo]

She's a shit villain.

She is the Worse villian in Naruto base history... She has No backstory, No dialogue, No cool abilities, AND NO PLACE IN THIS MANGA!!

 

[Leinad Sotam]

OT people who don't like kaguya as fv are butthurt madara fanboys

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[evilmayo]

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false... i could care less about madara... he was also a lame villian imo.... i wanted it to be tobi.... and i didnt want tobi to be obito... so yee..

 

[Leinad Sotam]

false... i could care less about madara... he was also a lame villian imo.... i wanted it to be tobi.... and i didnt want tobi to be obito... so yee..

That sig tho.

 

[Zol]

The points you listed are often brought up by Kaguya haters, but the truth is, most of them already didn't like her before she was revived because she a) replaced Madara and b) is a female. The other points are now only brought in to justify their hating.

 

[Floydical]

Hey man. You brought some good insight into kaguya.

I personally was thinking about kaguya and how she fits or doesnt as a villian..

What I found was that her fighting matches up well to what should be expected, and black zetsu being the talking one is also what should be expected.

Here you have a ancient evil, whom has not been around to witness the different ninja techniques that have been developed.
She lived with godlike power in a time where there was noone who could even come close to rivaling her power other than her sons.

As such her powers should be expected to not be heavily developed or trained. As black zetsu has been around for 1000 years, he has had plenty of experiance of battles. So it makes sense he is the "brains".

My only real gripe and issue with her , is how she is nothing. Black zetsu has to tell naruto and sasuke they remind her of her sons.

Kaguya should at least be able to say "You two troublemakers remind me of my rebellious sons" or something. But instead she is nearly mute. To be honest konohamaru has said more diologue than she has. Maybe even konohamarus teammates.

This is exactly my point. She has no relation to current times nor any of the characters, other than BZ. So people shouldn't be judging her as critically as they are. Actually I think her being mostly mute is to be expected as well, considering she has little to exclaim.

I highly doubt she is the final villian. There are just too many factors against her. Edo Hokages, Rikudou tools and Orochimaru. I think Kishi might use her as a power device for the Final Villian.

Hmm we will see. Don't know how Kishi can trump Kaguya as a villain.

She is the Worse villian in Naruto base history... She has No backstory, No dialogue, No cool abilities, AND NO PLACE IN THIS MANGA!!

These are the exact three things I covered in this thread to try to get people to think about her differently. If you didn't read the whole thread, please do.

 

[eyesofthekyuubi44]

She hasnt shown anything we havent seen yet: kimmimaru showed us the bone manipulation, neji showed us the byakugan, and madara, no the juubi showed us the third eye pattern. The only new things she's shown are the dimensions and hair attacks. And madara can probably use dimensional shifting. Inb4 haters flame me, I said probably as in I don't know

Not even hair attacks buddy...

Thank Jiraiya for that.

OP: You listed that she has no backstory.

So she's just a random foil to the main character? She has nothing interesting. She does not need to be in Naruto for any reason.

She doesn't talk much. Basically, she has no personality. She does not NEED to be here.

BZ tells her what to do at all times. She cannot think for herself. and also, up to this point who was Black Zetsu? He was just a talented spy with no known fighting abilities, telling the most powerful person in Naruto what to do.

Having reasons as to why she sucks as a villain does not destroy the fact that she... well....sucks.

 

[Floydical]

OP: You listed that she has no backstory.

So she's just a random foil to the main character? She has nothing interesting. She does not need to be in Naruto for any reason.

She doesn't talk much. Basically, she has no personality. She does not NEED to be here.

BZ tells her what to do at all times. She cannot think for herself. and also, up to this point who was Black Zetsu? He was just a talented spy with no known fighting abilities, telling the most powerful person in Naruto what to do.

Having reasons as to why she sucks as a villain does not destroy the fact that she... well....sucks.

I stated that a reason people dislike her is because they feel she has no backstory. I also said we were given a decent amount of backstory for her and considering her origins, that is enough if you ask me.

I already covered her lack of talking and weak personality. I explained that she is so old and has so little relation to her current foes that it is pointless for her to justify her actions or try to reason with them. She has nothing to explain to them in terms of her intentions nor does she have a desire to try to convince them her actions are just. She is simply too far separated from the current era to require these things of her.

Again, you should not judge her so bluntly because she should not be treated like a normal villain. Her having similar abilities simply proves to a greater degree that her techniques were the origin of modern ones. Think of her more as the ultimate evil of the Naruto universe rather than a normal villain.

 

[Draxus]

I think the biggest issue w/ Kaguya is she doesn't talk. Kishi has trained his fan base to expect the normal shonen villain that is constantly talking. This is how we learn of the personality and drives of the character. I'm pretty sure Kishi is keep us in the dark about her for a reason.