Why I think Sasuke will be redeemed and will not die

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So, I made the mistake of reading YouTube comments, claiming Sasuke isn’t going thru redemption, will die a villain, etc. So I wrote this admittedly overlong post. It will argue two things. One, Sasuke is on his way to redemption. (This is covered in the first section.) Two, Sasuke will survive this story because the themes of Naruto and actions of the characters.


Sasuke is on his way to redemption
Lots of people argue that Sasuke has not gone through redemption. This is not the case. Sasuke is on his way to redemption. He is still a dark character, as evidenced in his “burn” comment to the Juubi and his will to “delete the past.” However, Sasuke is in the middle of this redemption but he has not been completely redeemed. I have two points to prove this.
First, you have to understand that Sasuke’s redemption has been told in stages. A lot of Naruto’s redemption stories are more or less based on one incident that completely changes a character. Zabuza gloats over Haku’s corpse and is then reduced to tears by Naruto’s speech. Pain is changed after finding out Jiraiya wrote a book. These are all based on one incident. Sasuke’s redemption, however, is told in stages. He talks to Itachi and questions what he has done. He brings back Orochimaru and tells him he’s given up revenge. He seeks out the Four Hokage and goes to the battlefield.
Second, Sasuke has changed from what he was in the Five Kage Summit Arc. Then he didn't care about his comrades. He left Suigetsu and Juugo to be captured by the samurai. He stabbed Karin and was going to finish her off. Now, he saves his comrades. For example, he saved Sakura with help from Naruto, though that couldn't further any ulterior plan Sasuke has. He even showed concern when Sai was falling. Moreover, he has given up his revenge. He told Orochimaru this, and he had no reason to lie to Orochimaru. Indeed, Sasuke’s goals are now set in the future. He wants to be Hokage to change the system. His goals are no longer in the past, as they had been since the Massacre. He even said he would “delete the past.” This is huge development. Next, Sasuke also smiles more frequently. He smiled during Sakura’s attack. Then there’s the big smile that was enough to warrant dialogue in the latest chapter. He is smiling with Naruto. He seems genuinely happy, which is a big change. Most importantly, he apologized to Karin. Sasuke admitted he was in the wrong, and that his one huge step towards his redemption. You must first admit you made a mistake before you can correct it.
Yes, Sasuke hasn't admitted to Naruto and the Alliance he was wrong. However, it’s called gradual character development. For Sasuke to enter the last stage of his development, he must admit that everything he has done of the last three years was wrong. That’s way too much progress to show after just story time from Hashirama. This development will come later, preferably during Naruto’s inevitable tnj during Naruto vs. Sasuke. Naruto has to be the last one to save Sasuke. There was been too much build-up for that not to happen. In conclusion, Sasuke is on his way towards redemption. After all this development, why would Kishimoto have him revert back to being evil?

Sasuke should be the yin advisor since Naruto will be a yang Hokage, so they can make balanced decisions.
To clarify, I’m not talking about yin and yang nature transformations here. I’m talking about their life philosophies.
Yin and Yang is different from good vs. evil. They are not opposing forces. They are complimentary forces. Yin can’t exist without yang and vice versa. (In the western world, people see them as good vs. evil but this is not the case. I’ll use Star Wars as an example. The empire is evil. The Rebel Alliance is good. Good triumphs over and destroys evil, and have a happily ever after … until the sequel trilogy.) This is not the case with yin and yang. You need both yin and yang to have balanced decisions.
Naruto has very yang philosophy, while Sasuke has very yin philosophy. Together, they should make the perfect team, able to come to balanced decisions. If a certain weakness in Naruto prevents him from being the best Hokage, Sasuke advises him of that and vice versa. Problem solved. Naruto runs off to save people but Sasuke stops him and reminds that he is Hokage and must stay with the village. Sasuke gives "burn them all" advice, and Naruto says no and argues against it. Naruto wants to win a conflict by using talk no jutsu on everybody and their mother. Sasuke rolls his eyes, says that is unrealistic and can never happen. Each weakness in one is a strength in the other. In conclusion, Naruto should become Hokage with Sasuke as an adviser. They are opposites, and that makes them the perfect team.

By doing this, Naruto and Sasuke will have surpassed the previous generations
This is not just about improving your skills in combat. It is also about correcting the mistakes of the past. Like I said before, I personally see it ending with Naruto as Hokage but Sasuke as adviser like Hashirama and Madara should have been.
First, Hashirama and Madara both surpassed their fathers by building the village system and ending the clan wars between the Uchiha and Senju. Yes, this isn’t a perfect system but it is a better system. In the same fashion, Naruto and Sasuke should build a system that is better still.
As Hokage, the First failed because he was too yang. He did not have balance. Madara's yin would have provided balance to the First's Yang but that didn't happen because Madara was too proud to accept a position like advisor. He wanted Hokage or nothing else.
The Third was probably more yang than even the First. He had to rely on Danzo to make the yin decisions for him, and Danzo was epic fail because he was too much yin. Almost all of his decisions came back to have dire consequences. Even they, however, are an improvement over the previous duo. Instead of just having the yang of the First, at least the Leaf had both yin and yang. However, though they did surpass the First and Madara in that aspect, in another they failed. They did not work together. They failed to bring peace and order because they were essentially two leaders of the Leaf, each with totally different outlooks on life. They failed because like Hashirama and Madara they didn’t work together. (I didn’t discuss the other Hokage because they didn’t have a yin advisor or (in Tobirama’s case) a yang advisor.)
If this pattern continues, Naruto and Sasuke need to overcome this past mistake by working together. This can already be seen in their incredible teamwork that even impressed the Second. Moreover, their fire and wind styles strengthen each other. They can surpass the previous generations in Naruto vs. Sasuke. There is too much buildup for this battle not to happen. Naruto fights Sasuke and wins but refuses to kill Sasuke and offers his hand in friendship. Thus, Naruto surpasses the First by refusing to literally stab Sasuke in the back. Sasuke accepts Naruto as Hokage, thereby breaking the Curse of Hatred. In order to break this curse Sasuke can’t become Hokage. He must accept another. Thus, Sasuke surpasses Madara and returns to the village. They became what the First and Madara should have been. Then, they surpass the previous generations by working together as yang Hokage and yin advisor where Hashirama and Madara and then Hiruzen and Danzo failed.
It’s also seen in the new Sannin parallel. Naruto surpasses Jiraiya by bringing Sasuke back. Sasuke surpasses Orochimaru by returning to the village and accepting they don’t want him as Hokage.

Naruto is too idealistic a story to end with Naruto killing his first bond.
Naruto is a very idealistic story. I don’t see it having a downer or even a bittersweet ending. How is Naruto idealistic? Naruto believes he, one person, can change the world. Naruto isn’t being very naïve here, according the story. He has convinced many wise and rational adults to believe in him, like Tsunade and Kakashi. Jiraiya also believed in this philosophy. Most importantly, Naruto has never killed anyone. He always tnj’s them. In Naruto vs. Sasuke, Naruto will not kill Sasuke. Naruto couldn’t kill the man who killed Jiraiya and destroyed his village. Why do you think Naruto’s first kill will be his first bond? He couldn’t kill Sasuke in the Five Kage Summit arc, and Sasuke has improved since then. Moreover, if he does, that would be horrible for Naruto. I don’t want to see him go through that.

Sasuke must restore the Uchiha Clan
And he obviously can’t do that if he is dead. Currently, there are only two Uchiha alive, Obito and Sasuke. Obito has committed crimes far worse than Sasuke, such as the Nine-Tails Attack, Uchiha Massacre, Bloody Mist, and masterminded the Fourth Shinobi World War. The only hope for redemption that he has is to die. Also, Obito only loves Rin. Obito, thus, can’t restore the clan. This leaves only Sasuke left. Sasuke can’t die because he has to restore his clan.
If this story ends with all the Uchiha dead, then quite frankly the story would have condoned genocide. It would say the Uchiha were killed because there were evil. Do I even need to argue why this is wrong? Yes, there a lot of Uchiha villains and Uchiha tend to be emotional but you can’t say Uchiha are born evil. This is wrong on so many levels.
No one group is born more evil than another group. Period. The curse of hatred is not genetic. Sasuke was not evil because he is an Uchiha. He was evil because he watched his brother massacre everyone he loved, realized he had just killed the man who loved him the most and has an inferiority complex but is always getting surpassed. Obito is not evil because he is an Uchiha. He is evil because his idealism was shattered by his best friend killing his crush. Madara is not evil because he is an Uchiha. He is evil because he felt betrayed when Hashirama said he couldn’t become Hokage after promising him the position. (This was a wise decision but Madara still felt betrayed.) Fugaku was not evil because he was an Uchiha. He was evil because he felt shortchanged and planned a coup. In conclusion, Sasuke needs to restore the clan’s honor and prove to the world that the Uchiha are not evil.

If he does not do that, Itachi’s character was entirely pointless.
Itachi planned the Massacre out, so the coup would never become public knowledge. Thus, the Uchiha Clan could escape with its honor intact. Itachi would be the villain, so his clan would escape blame. Meanwhile, Sasuke would stay loyal to the Leaf. If Sasuke goes back to being a villain and is unable to restore the clan’s honor, than the coup might as well as become common knowledge. Everyone will hate the Uchiha because Itachi, Madara, Obito, and Sasuke. Sasuke must live and restore his clan’s honor. He must show the world that Uchiha are a clan based on love, not hate. If he doesn't, Itachi’s sacrifice was in vain.
 

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sasuke want kill naruto./ end of thread.
If you meant Sasuke won't kill Naruto. I agree

If you meant Sasuke wants to kill Naruto. That could happen if Sasuke really goes off the deep end. This is unlikely. Why? As I argued, Sasuke is on the path to redemption. It would be a waste, if he went evil again, because then what was the point of a redemption arc. However, in their fight, Naruto could simply tnj Sasuke.
 
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You raise some good points, but it seems like you're trivializing things Naruto has done. Also, Naruto did kill Yura in rather magnificent fashion (albeit before his outlook on always killing enemy shinobi changed). If you truly think Pain changed just because of a book, then you are not absorbing the information given to capacity. I think the true pain both Naruto and Sasuke have gone through is overwhelming, and what makes them so amazing is there willingness to endure and even take more. While also striving to change themselves and pursue their personal philosophies. You've done good to recognize the path Sasuke has followed, I just wish you would read more into Naruto's path and not simply brush off things off as TNJ. Also, I don't think Naruto believes he can change the world alone. I think he wants to see a change just like his father and teacher did, and he will give his life fighting to that end. But he isn't a narcissist or someone with a god-complex, who believes sheer power/manipulation will force everyone to change, in fact that is the opposite of his belief.

Overall good post, and I have enjoyed reading some of your previous comments. I can tell you were very motivated to get this opinion out there, I imagine a weight has been lifted from your shoulders because of it. Naruto is a way more complex story than given credit, and I always enjoy reading posts with some depth to them. Just read into Naruto's path a little more, and I think you will end up giving him more credit.
 
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You raise some good points, but it seems like you're trivializing things Naruto has done. Also, Naruto did kill Yura in rather magnificent fashion (albeit before his outlook on always killing enemy shinobi changed). If you truly think Pain changed just because of a book, then you are not absorbing the information given to capacity. I think the true pain both Naruto and Sasuke have gone through is overwhelming, and what makes them so amazing is there willingness to endure and even take more. While also striving to change themselves and pursue their personal philosophies. You've done good to recognize the path Sasuke has followed, I just wish you would read more into Naruto's path and not simply brush off things off as TNJ. Also, I don't think Naruto believes he can change the world alone. I think he wants to see a change just like his father and teacher did, and he will give his life fighting to that end. But he isn't a narcissist or someone with a god-complex, who believes sheer power/manipulation will force everyone to change, in fact that is the opposite of his belief.

Overall good post, and I have enjoyed reading some of your previous comments. I can tell you were very motivated to get this opinion out there, I imagine a weight has been lifted from your shoulders because of it. Naruto is a way more complex story than given credit, and I always enjoy reading posts with some depth to them. Just read into Naruto's path a little more, and I think you will end up giving him more credit.
Thanks. I'd completely forgotten about Yura. However, it still stands that Naruto still sees Sasuke as his first bond. I doubt he'd kill him. At the time he'd killed Yura, Naruto thought he was Itachi, someone he hated at that time. Frequently, Naruto seems to be spared from killing. Kakashi killed Kakuzu. However, I don't think Naruto has ever hated Sasuke, even at this darkest in the Five Kage Summit. Now, that Sasuke is slowly improving, it's even less likely Naruto will try to kill Sasuke.

My problem with Pain's redemption wasn't that is based on a book. It was that it was almost instantaneous. I did not think it was well written at all. Zabuza's on the other hand was well written, though his redemption was based on one incident.

I agree Naruto does not have a god complex. Far from it, he is one of the most humble character on the show. However, Naruto is very idealistic if he thinks he can change the world. He doesn't want to change the world by himself, like you said. Naruto wants to convince lots of other people to help him change the world. This explains why Naruto wants to change people. This is the difference between him and Sasuke, who could care less about other people. It's what would make Naruto the better Hokage of the two

Finally, I choose to focus on Sasuke for two reasons. One, he is my favorite character, so I'm much more familiar with him than Naruto. It makes it easier to analyze him. Two, this post is about why Sasuke should get redemption.
 
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Dude i'm sorry but i prefer to see that written by masashi kishimoto and also i dind't read that , BECAUSE IS ONLY TEXT AND ITS A LOT OF IT ...
The reason I am writing this is because I am not Kishimoto. I am just a concerned consumer. Right now, I'm concerned if my favorite character (not just in Naruto but also one of my favorite characters ever) Sasuke might become a victim of plot and, thus, cease to be a well written character. I don't want that to happen to Sasuke, a character I have cared about since he introduced himself when Naruto debuted on Toonami. I am very concerned, and I'm arguing about what I think should happen logically. Why is that a problem?

Also, sorry I couldn't include any pictures or a PowerPoint presentation to entertain you. I assumed you, being a fan, might also be concerned about Naruto.
 
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Thanks. I'd completely forgotten about Yura. However, it still stands that Naruto still sees Sasuke as his first bond. I doubt he'd kill him. At the time he'd killed Yura, Naruto thought he was Itachi, someone he hated at that time. However, I doubt think Naruto has ever hated Sasuke, even at this darkest in the Five Kage Summit.

My problem with Pain's redemption wasn't that is based on a book. It was that it was almost instantaneous. I did not think it was well written at all. Zabuza's on the other hand was well written, though his redemption was based on one incident.

I agree Naruto does not have a god complex. Far from it, he is on the most humble character on the show. However, Naruto is very idealistic if he thinks he can change the world. He doesn't want to change the world by himself, like you said. Naruto wants to convince lots of other people to help him change the world. This explains why Naruto wants to change people. This is the difference between him and Sasuke, who could care less about other people. It's what would make Naruto the better Hokage of the two

Finally, I choose to focus on Sasuke for two reasons. One, he is my favorite character, so I'm much more familiar with him than Naruto. It makes it easier to analyze him. Two, this post is about why Sasuke should get redemption.
I agree Naruto will never kill Sasuke, unless he is unable to prevent his death due to the scale of their Justus. It is very hard to simply beat a character like Sasuke, they are so close in strength and possess so much power that not obliterating each other will unfold rather interestingly . Sasuke and Naruto are best friends who truly love each other like brothers, I don't think on any level either of them truly wants the other to die.

Here is why I disagree with you about Pain, and his change being instantaneous or out of no where. Pain just destroyed the leaf village, killed 90% of it's inhabitants, killed both of Naruto's masters (three including Fukasaku), and seemingly killed Hinata in front of Naruto. All of this and Naruto fully able to brutally murder both Nagato and Konan, cast aside his hate, pain, suffering, and selfish desires to kill Pain to hear him out. Naruto had no idea about the Rinnengan's abilty to bring the village back, he had no vested interest in allowing Pain to live save for the fact that he wanted to end the cycle of hate. He sought peace even at a time when the pain he was enduring was all encompassing, he did what Nagato could not. It was through all these combined actions and more that Nagato choose to believe in his sibling disciple, through Naruto's incredible actions not words. I disagree, I think it was incredibly written and maybe the truest display of Naruto's resolve yet.

I am well aware that your post was about Sasuke, and I commend you for your analysis of him. I just felt diving so deep into Sasuke's thought process and to a degree brushing off Naruto's was not doing justice to your analytical skill.
 

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Didn't read it, at least for now, sorry I have to go to sleep:sweat:
In any case just because I read the title, I would like to say that I read from a spoiler who has been correct for some other things in the past, that Naruto and Sasuke will both become hokages and the village will be devided in half.

I can't find now the link because I read it some months ago. Believe me or not is up to you=D
 
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