Why I think Edo Hashirama beats Edo Madara

[pateuvasiliu]

madara gaining more techniques doesnt make him stronger than hashirama and this is something that you just wont get.

hashirama at VOTE casually fought at a level where he was busting entire mountain ranges with one attack. madaras new techs arent even mountain level. they are pathetic compared to the level madara fights at with PS and the level hashirama fights at with shinsuusenju.

i can predict your next response "madara has mokuton so he insta-kills hashirama" despite this being a worn out assumption thats been refuted millions of times.

We need more people like you.

 

[Draphsin]

That FIRST pic was caused by the Ten Tails. Madara had NOTHING to do with that. He's in danger as well.

Oh i know the juubi caused that, but im saying that madara can still use it if need be.

The juubi has failed to attack madara & obito, despite having the control severed

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This means that madara still has the ability to use the juubi as a weapon/distraction, even though he's not connected anymore

i wouldnt be surprised if madara jumped straight to perfect susano to fight hashirama. anything less would be useless and a waste of time.

I cant wait when manga proves you wrong, dont worry ill forgive your apology when it happens Lol

 

[HadouKage]

madara gaining more techniques doesnt make him stronger than hashirama and this is something that you just wont get.

hashirama at VOTE casually fought at a level where he was busting entire mountain ranges with one attack. madaras new techs arent even mountain level. they are pathetic compared to the level madara fights at with PS and the level hashirama fights at with shinsuusenju.

i can predict your next response "madara has mokuton so he insta-kills hashirama" despite this being a worn out assumption thats been refuted millions of times.

So I've inferred that you just don't read the manga, so just stop posting
- PS obliterated 5 mountains with one slash
- Basho Tenin brought two meteors (one on top of the other) without tire
- Created multiple Sussano + Mokuton clones
- Demonstrated proficiency of Wood Dragon Jutsu + Flower World

Can't believe you really just said that
If anything they are equal or greater because of the influence of the Rinnegan + Hashi's cells

We need more people like you.

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[TheSages456]

So I've inferred that you just don't read the manga, so just stop posting
- PS obliterated 5 mountains with one slash
- Basho Tenin brought two meteors (one on top of the other) without tire
- Created multiple Sussano + Mokuton clones
- Demonstrated proficiency of Wood Dragon Jutsu + Flower World

Can't believe you really just said that
If anything they are equal or greater because of the influence of the Rinnegan + Hashi's cells

the ones that are crossed out wont even faze shinsuusenju. listing madaras powers mean nothing. they actually have to be strong enough to do something which they arent according to madara himself.

only PS and that alone has a chance of threatening hashiramas life.

 

[HadouKage]

the ones that are crossed out wont even faze shinsuusenju. listing madaras powers mean nothing. they actually have to be strong enough to do something which they arent according to madara himself.

only PS and that alone has a chance of threatening hashiramas life.

So you can't read either? You stated that the techs I listed are not mountain busters. When in fact they have full capability of doing so. And you are overrating Shin Justu, as I highly doubt it can stand up too CT

 

[Draphsin]

So I've inferred that you just don't read the manga, so just stop posting
- PS obliterated 5 mountains with one slash
- Basho Tenin brought two meteors (one on top of the other) without tire
- Created multiple Sussano + Mokuton clones
- Demonstrated proficiency of Wood Dragon Jutsu + Flower World

Can't believe you really just said that
If anything they are equal or greater because of the influence of the Rinnegan + Hashi's cells


To delude people like you who cannot comprehend common sense? Nah we really don't

Dont bother with him, he's wrong, and the next two chapters are finally going to shut his mouth.

 

[Waltz]

Hashirama failed to Kill Madara to the pinicle that Madara was capable of traveling from Konoha to The village of the hidden grass Kusagakure (his hideout) and recovered fully. The Rinnegan is doubtlessly a bigger threat than the kyuubi as Tendō alone was able to subdue it

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Madara is able to to make 25 mokuton clones (what of Hashirama?), all wielding the Rin'negan and Eien no Mangekyou not to mention respective abilities for each Doujutsu but also the ability to act coordinately without madara's actual presence. Based on Mokuton's composition being Doton, Suiton, Gakido will render it useless on contact and this goes for each clone. Madara has already stated that his EMS is able to see through Hashirama's Mokuton bunshin and also has the ability to anticipate attacks. Bearing in mind that the Mokuton Madara produces are jutsu he copied from Hashirama; they are of the same scale and quantity.

Given that he has his edo abilities, he is able to use all such jutsu he copied from hashirama and added to this, the Rinnegan is a muchgreater potential threat in comparison with the kyuubi, which hashirama himself stated was overwhelming.

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At the end of the day, EMS renders Bringer of darkness useless and Hashirama has no arsenal to counter Madara and his mokuton//rinnegan wielding bunshins. Hashirama canonically bested EMS Madara in his prime at high difficulties. His Edo-tensei form however is far beyond what he was capable of at vote; Madara would take this quite comfortably as he canonically has full knowledge of what hashirama is capable of. Pertaining to Madara's statement about " his full power" it's one often misinterpreted bear in mind that "Power" is the ability to do something. Uchiha madara based on power accomplishments; Perfect Susano'o is technically his full power hence the statement but in this case the topic is his edo state, as in it, he is able to do much more and to add that it has been canonically stated that his edo-state is beyond his prime when he possessed this power, perfect susano'o. Which nullifies such an argument as it's already cannon that the Rinnegan > EMS. Madara has already beat Hashirama out of Sage mode along with the remains of his best tech, Shin-shuusenju, without the Kyuubi's help. Those of you who may be claiming that Madara cannot use the Rin'negan's various paths, bear in mind that Nagato could've used them long before training with jiriaya to learn Basic Ninjutsu, which he massacred the konoha shinobi that killed his parents and the other.

 

[TheSages456]

So you can't read either? You stated that the techs I listed are not mountain busters. When in fact they have full capability of doing so. And you are overrating Shin Justu, as I highly doubt it can stand up too CT

the flower world cant bust a mountain

madaras meteor are smaller than a mountain( got destroyed by 1 PS slash. pathetic. its a basic fodder tech compared to shinsuusenju)

the wood dragon isnt anywhere near mountain sized nor does it have mountain busting power.

madaras susano clones havent shown mountain busting power. they havent even shown anything other than V3 susano which wont even tickle shinsuusenjus toes.

oh btw, i need some scans of madara using CT.

 

[HadouKage]

the flower world cant bust a mountain

madaras meteor is smaller than a mountain( got destroyed by 1 PS slash. pathetic. its a basic fodder tech compared to shinsuusenju)

the wood dragon isnt anywhere near mountain sized nor does it have mountain busting power.

madaras susano clones havent shown mountain busting power. they havent even shown anything other than V3 susano which wont even tickle shinsuusenjus toes.

oh btw, i need some scans of madara using CT.

Don't néed to
Puppydog just destroyed all your claims :|

 

[TheSages456]

Don't néed to
Puppydog just destroyed all your claims :|

alright, i accept your concession on the topic. learn to read a manga. this manga is so basic and the messages in it can be easily understood.

somewhere out of the many manga pages that state hashirama>madara, you somehow got it in your mind that they were saying madara>hashirama.

 

[Draphsin]

TheSages456

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Unless sages backs out...

 

[pateuvasiliu]

Madara is able to to make 25 mokuton clones (what of Hashirama?)

He can obviously make more since he has more chakra.

Based on Mokuton's composition being Doton, Suiton, Gakido will render it useless on contact and this goes for each clone.

He can't go in melee range of 25 clones. Alas, Preta Path will absorb the chakra in Mokuton, not the wood itself.

Bearing in mind that the Mokuton Madara produces are jutsu he copied from Hashirama; they are of the same scale and quantity.

Uhm, no? Having Hashirama's blood doesn't make you as strong as him. That's dumb.

Rinnegan is a muchgreater potential threat in comparison with the kyuubi

lol. The Kyuubi is leagues ahead of the Rinnegan.

Hashirama canonically bested EMS Madara in his prime at high difficulties.

What? Hashirama was shown hurt and tired. He was never shown to be near defeat or death. He owned Madara, he didn't barely beat him. He beat Madara whom had the #1 Bijuu.

Madara has already beat Hashirama out of Sage mode along with the remains of his best tech, Shin-shuusenju, without the Kyuubi's help.

What? NO. Shinsuusenju wasn't beaten, first of all, and when it was damaged it was from the Kyuubi-PS combo.

Those of you who may be claiming that Madara cannot use the Rin'negan's various paths, bear in mind that Nagato could've used them long before training with jiriaya to learn Basic Ninjutsu

There was never shown what Nagato used to kill those 2.

 

[MrLukyso]

Hashirama failed to Kill Madara to the pinicle that Madara was capable of traveling from Konoha to The village of the hidden grass Kusagakure (his hideout) and recovered fully. The Rinnegan is doubtlessly a bigger threat than the kyuubi as Tendō alone was able to subdue it

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Madara is able to to make 25 mokuton clones (what of Hashirama?), all wielding the Rin'negan and Eien no Mangekyou not to mention respective abilities for each Doujutsu but also the ability to act coordinately without madara's actual presence. Based on Mokuton's composition being Doton, Suiton, Gakido will render it useless on contact and this goes for each clone. Madara has already stated that his EMS is able to see through Hashirama's Mokuton bunshin and also has the ability to anticipate attacks. Bearing in mind that the Mokuton Madara produces are jutsu he copied from Hashirama; they are of the same scale and quantity.

Given that he has his edo abilities, he is able to use all such jutsu he copied from hashirama and added to this, the Rinnegan is a muchgreater potential threat in comparison with the kyuubi, which hashirama himself stated was overwhelming as Tendō alone was able to subdue it:

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At the end of the day, EMS renders Bringer of darkness useless and Hashirama has no arsenal to counter Madara and his mokuton//rinnegan wielding bunshins. Hashirama canonically bested EMS Madara in his prime at high difficulties. His Edo-tensei form however is far beyond what he was capable of at vote; Madara would take this quite comfortably as he canonically has full knowledge of what hashirama is capable of. Pertaining to Madara's statement about " his full power" it's one often misinterpreted bear in mind that "Power" is the ability to do something. Uchiha madara based on power accomplishments; Perfect Susano'o is technically his full power hence the statement but in this case the topic is his edo state, as in it, he is able to do much more and to add that it has been canonically stated that his edo-state is beyond his prime when he possessed this power, perfect susano'o. Which nullifies such an argument as it's already cannon that the Rinnegan > EMS. Madara has already beat Hashirama out of Sage mode along with the remains of his best tech, Shin-shuusenju, without the Kyuubi's help. Those of you who may be claiming that Madara cannot use the Rin'negan's various paths, bear in mind that Nagato could've used them long before training with jiriaya to learn Basic Ninjutsu, which he massacred the konoha shinobi that killed his parents and the other.

Don't even bother, we tried to give them some sense this whole thread and they still keep talking nonsenses like Meteorites being not Mountain Busters.

I already gave up on this thread cause author and TheSage456 is way too retarded to understand anything you say to them, like seriously, they make Hashiramas character look bad.

 

[pateuvasiliu]

Don't even bother, we tried to give them some sense this whole thread and they still keep talking nonsenses like Meteorites being not Mountain Busters.

I already gave up on this thread cause author and TheSage456 is way too retarded to understand anything you say to them, like seriously, they make Hashiramas character look bad.

You need to chill. You are insulting people on the internet. It's pathetic, really.

Also, you should say '' The author and Thesage -ARE- retarded ''

2 persons. Plural.

The more you know.

 

[Lightbringer]

Rinnegan lets you master Nature Transformation not Kekkei Genkais.

Madara's Wood Release is nowhere near Hashirama's, come on.

I'm pretty sure it says tech and not just nature transformation....it says he can use all nature transformation, but master any tech.....there's a difference

thus he can master mokuton techs

 

[Waltz]

He can obviously make more since he has more chakra.



He can't go in melee range of 25 clones. Alas, Preta Path will absorb the chakra in Mokuton, not the wood itself.



Uhm, no? Having Hashirama's blood doesn't make you as strong as him. That's dumb.



lol. The Kyuubi is leagues ahead of the Rinnegan.



What? Hashirama was shown hurt and tired. He was never shown to be near defeat or death. He owned Madara, he didn't barely beat him. He beat Madara whom had the #1 Bijuu.



What? NO. Shinsuusenju wasn't beaten, first of all, and when it was damaged it was from the Kyuubi-PS combo.



There was never shown what Nagato used to kill those 2.

I'll use your own flawed logic against you:

-> Show me proof of hashirama using more than one bunshin
-> If Mokuton's chakra is absorbed, it would be rendered useless.
-> Really? Compare the scales of moktuon for yourself: [

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] This should be no surprise as Kabuto is displaying Hashirama's true power through Edo Madara, who, like hashirama, has no limit on the ability.

Madara beat Hashirama out of Sage mode along with the remains of Shin-shuusenju without the Kyuubi's help

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Unless your prefer to believe they magically disappeared, in which, you may continue to dwell in ignorance. I've already shown that the Rin'negan is superior to the Kyuubi...it is expected after all they were the eyes of the Rikudo sennin, who was proclaimed a God among Men. What specific jutsu Nagato used isn't the issue, i was only highlighting the fact that the Rin'negan powers are at your bidding once you wield the Doujutsu..rather worst if you are of the correct gene composition being Senju and Uchiha as Uzumaki have a more limited mastery due to lack of Senju DNA.

 

[NarutoKage2]

Logically hashirama should'nt be able to beat madara, or rather he should'nt be able to solo him. With help from one or two hokages plus maybe sasuke or naruto its a different story though.

 

[Transcendence]

It's debatable. Madara stated himself that PS is his full power. And his PS is insanely overpowered. It's easily better than any Rinnegan tech (Only one comparable is CT). All the Rinnegan gives him is more versatility and a better defense against Hashirama.

Hashirama is still the master of Wood Release and he probably has more techs we haven't seen yet, which can add to his already well-known power.

 

[RaitonOniKairRasengan]

alright, i accept your concession on the topic. learn to read a manga. this manga is so basic and the messages in it can be easily understood.

somewhere out of the many manga pages that state hashirama>madara, you somehow got it in your mind that they were saying madara>hashirama.

Yes in the manga where they are BOTH ALIVE AND NOT EDO its obvious hashirama > madara. Somehow you got in your mind that while they are both Edo they have the same capabilities as when they were alive. Wrong. Hashi may of already near unlimited chakra to begin with but Madara as the full arsenal of the rinnegan now, jutsu on an entirely different level as we saw when he almost crushed the alliance.

 

[HadouKage]

alright, i accept your concession on the topic. learn to read a manga. this manga is so basic and the messages in it can be easily understood.

somewhere out of the many manga pages that state hashirama>madara, you somehow got it in your mind that they were saying madara>hashirama.

I'm not concessing from anything. I do not feel like debating with an illogical NB'er that takes statements way too literally. Like I said Puppydog already destroyed your claims so I need to go on no further