Why I can never forgive Itachi

[Uchihajin Sasuke]

As I said if Itachi never slaughters the clan then the Sasuke we're seeing now never exists. You're free to disagree with my opinion but this is how I see it. Itachi will always be responsible for the way Sasuke turned out in my eyes.

Same here even though I used to find Naruto annoying, but he is definitely a better "BROTHER" to Sasuke than Itachi will ever be, end of story.

I somewhat agree too.
Itachi is a cool character, don't get me wrong, but he did kinda fail with the Uchiha massacre.

Being a genius, you'd think that Itachi would have found another way to stop make peace rather than just to kill everyone. It's almost as if Itachi was being manipulated and forced to do so by the Konoha elders. Surely, couldn't they just divide power and negotiate until both parties were happy?
Plus, he ended up screwing his little brother over, as well as any chances of his clan's survival. Yes, Sasuke has become stronger because of the massacre, but he's gone mentally insane too.

Nonetheless, Itachi had the right honorable aims of peace, but the way of achieving this was not the best option.

Sasuke getting stronger was a major gamble that Itachi can't claim not even .0000001 of the credit. It is only because of Sasuke's strong determination that converted this "hate" into productive hard work to push himself to the edge.

I bet if it were any other normal kid, he/she would have been in a coma or become mentally insane forever on the spot.

Only because Sasuke will was soo strong that he made it through - and Itachi deserves not even a single bit of credit for it.

Did Itachi ever consider the scenario of his "beloved brother" he loves soo much in a state of coma/permanent mental damage after his psychopathic toture ? What he did there was an unspeakable gamble :flaw:

Funny thing is him even going soo far advocating even to kill Naruto (the very one he is putting his faith on lol) to awaken the Mangekyou is the hilarious part :whoa:

 

[-Vegeta-]

Since you cannot see the full picture allow me. We cannot blame itachi for the slaughter of his clan. Yes he did it, but that was the idea of the elders, who took advantage of the 13 year old traumatised by war and love for his village. Even if itachi did kill his clan and sasuke found out that it was because of the elders, he wouldve wanted revenge village anyway.

Right now thats the aim. He wants revenge for what konoha did to his clan and itachi and not what itachi did to him. He has already forgiven him and his problem is with the elders. Its true that itachi forced sasuke to become stronger through hate, but sooner or later if he did find out the truth, he wouldve pretty much turned out the say way he is now

You can believe what you want, but as I said Itachi will always be to blame for how Sasuke turned out and nothing will change my opinion on that matter.

*What will happen if Uchiha clan succeeded in the Coup d'etat ? *

Many possible consequences : 1stly : the remaining Konohagakure allies would plan an assassination with alliance with all the countries around them : (including the sunagakure because the Sunagakure's goal was the annihilation of konoha , and assisting the few konoha remains to annihilate the Uchiha clan, and then assassinate the konoha remains : result : No more KONOHA )
wich could have a chance to create a massive and chaotic battle between countries, and the risk of the destruction of konoha !
so ; Itachi Chose to entrust Sasuke his clan's revival ; in parallel with konoha's prosperity !
convinced ??

As I said you can believe what you want, but my stance on the matter won't change.

 

[Blaze Release]

People need to get something straight.
Pre pre ms sasuke was a good person. During his training with oro he defeated several fodders and oro asked him why he didnt kill any and he said because itachi was the person he wants to kill. Similarly he warned suigetsu from killing during their retrieval of juugo at the hideout where several prisoners affected with the curse mark attacked them. This was the sasuke that itachi has influenced. Note that he also frowned about itachi's way of power when itachi lied to him about killing your closest friend in order to get the ms. This was the sasuke that didnt know the truth about the elders and the village.

After tobi told him the truth with the village did sasuke change. He slaughtered quiet a few sumarai's at the kage meeting. He didnt care about his team mate karin and tried to kill danzo if it meant killing her. He tried to kill sakura and kakashi. This is the sasuke that now knows the truth about the elders.

I hope you can see the two sasuke's clearly. The one that itachi influenced still had a heart and just wanted to kill itachi. The one that finally found out the truth is ruthless. What im trying to say is that itachi's influence didnt truly have a negative in pact on him. Fact is if he found out the truth, this is how he wouldve become

 

[Ambriel]

I'm not denying that Sasuke had a choice just as everyone does, but what Itachi did helped lead Sasuke down the path he has chosen to walk.

Sasuke before Itachi slaughtered his clan:

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Sasuke after:

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Itachi sat there and told Sasuke that he needed more hate.

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He used tsukuyomi on his little brother twice(both showing Sasuke the slaughter of his mother and father).

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If Itachi doesn't slaughter the uchiha clan Sasuke never seeks out Orochimaru and that means he never meets Tobi, which means Sasuke isn't anywhere near the kind of person he is now.

I agree gj

 

[Itachi Uchiwa]

People need to get something straight.
Pre pre ms sasuke was a good person. During his training with oro he defeated several fodders and oro asked him why he didnt kill any and he said because itachi was the person he wants to kill. Similarly he warned suigetsu from killing during their retrieval of juugo at the hideout where several prisoners affected with the curse mark attacked them. This was the sasuke that itachi has influenced. Note that he also frowned about itachi's way of power when itachi lied to him about killing your closest friend in order to get the ms. This was the sasuke that didnt know the truth about the elders and the village.

After tobi told him the truth with the village did sasuke change. He slaughtered quiet a few sumarai's at the kage meeting. He didnt care about his team mate karin and tried to kill danzo if it meant killing her. He tried to kill sakura and kakashi. This is the sasuke that now knows the truth about the elders.

I hope you can see the two sasuke's clearly. The one that itachi influenced still had a heart and just wanted to kill itachi. The one that finally found out the truth is ruthless. What im trying to say is that itachi's influence didnt truly have a negative in pact on him. Fact is if he found out the truth, this is how he wouldve become

@4th Hokage of the leaf, THIS ^^^^ is truth ! just believe what you want ; but know where Truth is !

 

[-Vegeta-]

@4th Hokage of the leaf, THIS ^^^^ is truth ! just believe what you want ; but know where Truth is !

An opinion isn't the truth. My opinion is Itachi caused Sasuke to become like this and Blaze thinks he didn't. It's an opinion, nothing more.

Anyway I'm out.

 

[Seffy]

Wait actually Sasuke sought revenge in the first part. However during the whole first season he put that aside as he worked well with his team mates. Had it not been for Naruto one upping him then he wouldn't have thrown it all away. Naruto played a part in it all as well, seeing as he was Sasuke's rival but does anyone blame Naruto for forcing Sasuke to turn to a sanin like he had (oro) no -.- So why keep forcing the blame on Itachi when Sasuke wasn't evil until Tobi brain washed him. Itachi said it best when he told Naruto that Sasuke could still be influenced. Sasuke didn't know what he wanted after killing his brother because he's an avenger and obtained his goal. Tobi had to throw him a reason and just made matters worse. Truthfully I believe that Sasuke would have believed anything if the argument was supported -.- (Naruto caused a greater thirst for power within Sasuke since they were rivals and nobody could give him that power like oro could.)

 

[D3A]

His fans may try to paint a picture of self sacrificing saint, but the truth is he is a failed ninja that couldn't find any alternate peaceful ways to stop the coup (even this maybe a fabricated lie by Danzo) in order to get his "sharingarm".

Now you might try to justify the murderer by.saying he was preferred to do it by grave robber danzo, but ultimately, it is up to you to follow the order or not.

You listen to your heart and ask the action I am about to take is right or not, like a human.

This is where itachi failed MISERABLY, he was merely a tool for Danzo. If it was naruto or even minato, I bet they would have found a peaceful solution.

Hell, itachi himself said he failed

a peaceful resolution cant be found with people that dont want peace. itachi was never supposed to be portrayed as a saint. he was a ninja, who threw his life away for the good of the village. he failed when it came to giving sasuke a good life, but that was tobis fault

 

[uchiha defender]

a peaceful resolution cant be found with people that dont want peace. itachi was never supposed to be portrayed as a saint. he was a ninja, who threw his life away for the good of the village. he failed when it came to giving sasuke a good life, but that was tobis fault

Would you mind explaining how uchiha didn't want peace.

 

[Uchihajin Sasuke]

a peaceful resolution cant be found with people that dont want peace. itachi was never supposed to be portrayed as a saint. he was a ninja, who threw his life away for the good of the village. he failed when it came to giving sasuke a good life, but that was tobis fault

More like he failed :flaw: because he became Danzo's pawn and gave into his fabricated stories of the Uchiha "coup" and mass massacred the clan that actually voted against their own leader Madara and made their rival SENJU Hashirama as Hokage for peace.

 

[Seffy]

More like he failed :flaw: because he became Danzo's pawn and gave into his fabricated stories of the Uchiha "coup" and mass massacred the clan that actually voted against their own leader Madara and made their rival SENJU Hashirama as Hokage for peace.

Wasn't Itachi the one telling the Hokage about the coup as his father forced him into anbu so that he could spy on the village from the inside because he was planning on the coup. So how was that fabricated? Madara wasn't the leader and the next generation followed in the footsteps that he left behind. (again problem there) lol

 

[Uchihajin Sasuke]

Wasn't Itachi the one telling the Hokage about the coup as his father forced him into anbu so that he could spy on the village from the inside because he was planning on the coup. So how was that fabricated? Madara wasn't the leader and the next generation followed in the footsteps that he left behind. (again problem there) lol

Fabricated or not, mass genocide for peace isn't real peace.

Hell, I rather go with Pein MAD kind of peace or better yet Madara's Moon's Eye Plan Peace - at least there won't be anymore killing and we can all sleep forever peacefully as "one" under the great eternal genjutsu

 

[OWanime]

he was used but he still made sure sasuke was safe so he scared the crap out of danzo and the elders xd

 

[Seffy]

Fabricated or not, mass genocide for peace isn't real peace.

Hell, I rather go with Pein MAD kind of peace or better yet Madara's Moon's Eye Plan Peace - at least there won't be anymore killing and we can all sleep forever peacefully as "one" under the great eternal genjutsu

lol he stopped the Uchiha revolt before it could have happened. He prevented more INNOCENT lives being taken. In my very first post I refered it as taking the least path of bloodshed. Him killing off the Uchiha Clan did create peace as he turned to the Akatsuki and watched his village from a distance and his brother. Itachi wasn't his pawn either, which is why he returned during the first season, warning the advisors that he was still alive. Itachi never wanted Sasuke to know the truth, hoping that his death would bring true peace, ending all the uchiha's problems with him. Sasuke has been influenced by everyone and if it hadn't happen then Sasuke would be apart of his village again, fighting Tobi. There is no peace, especially with a war going on.

 

[shadman]

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does itachi's mangekyo fade away as in gone forever or is ih gone fr da moment

 

[uchiha defender]

lol he stopped the Uchiha revolt before it could have happened. He prevented more INNOCENT lives being taken. In my very first post I refered it as taking the least path of bloodshed. Him killing off the Uchiha Clan did create peace as he turned to the Akatsuki and watched his village from a distance and his brother. Itachi wasn't his pawn either, which is why he returned during the first season, warning the advisors that he was still alive. Itachi never wanted Sasuke to know the truth, hoping that his death would bring true peace, ending all the uchiha's problems with him. Sasuke has been influenced by everyone and if it hadn't happen then Sasuke would be apart of his village again, fighting Tobi. There is no peace, especially with a war going on.

Why did the uchiha revolt?

 

[Uchihajin Sasuke]

lol he stopped the Uchiha revolt before it could have happened. He prevented more INNOCENT lives being taken. In my very first post I refered it as taking the least path of bloodshed. Him killing off the Uchiha Clan did create peace as he turned to the Akatsuki and watched his village from a distance and his brother. Itachi wasn't his pawn either, which is why he returned during the first season, warning the advisors that he was still alive. Itachi never wanted Sasuke to know the truth, hoping that his death would bring true peace, ending all the uchiha's problems with him. Sasuke has been influenced by everyone and if it hadn't happen then Sasuke would be apart of his village again, fighting Tobi. There is no peace, especially with a war going on.

He failed even there, the 4th Ninja war broke out anyways.

He even admitted the failed, it is canon, no point in debating this fact

 

[Seffy]

Why did the uchiha revolt?

They were going to do a coup He stopped it before it could happen.

He failed even there, the 4th Ninja war broke out anyways.

He even admitted the failed, it is canon, no point in debating this fact

The 4th ninja war wasn't his fault That was all on Tobi. Itachi prevented the capture of the 9 tailed fox for a long time. Hell there were many times that he could have captured Naruto but didn't.

Also the whole breaking edo tensi is still in effect as he could run into Sasuke in the next chapter and fix everything. Itachi feels bad for the way Sasuke turned out, because he knew that Sasuke was a blank canvas at first that was colored by so many different people. Again Itachi couldn't control that, It's called modesty and guilt. He could very well stop Sasuke in the next chapter so it's still too soon that he failed. It's not over until the manga ends and then once it's over with then you can say he failed or not. Considering the war is still going on and we don't know what Itachi's part is we can't say for sure.

 

[Uchihajin Sasuke]

He didn't even really protect Sasuke from Danzo, because he sent Sai to kill him regardless.

Too much holes in this character you are trying to justify somehow, it is not even funny :drive:

 

[uchiha defender]

They were going to do a coup He stopped it before it could happen.


The 4th ninja war wasn't his fault That was all on Tobi. Itachi prevented the capture of the 9 tailed fox for a long time. Hell there were many times that he could have captured Naruto but didn't.

Also the whole breaking edo tensi is still in effect as he could run into Sasuke in the next chapter and fix everything. Itachi feels bad for the way Sasuke turned out, because he knew that Sasuke was a blank canvas at first that was colored by so many different people. Again Itachi couldn't control that, It's called modesty and guilt. He could very well stop Sasuke in the next chapter so it's still too soon that he failed. It's not over until the manga ends and then once it's over with then you can say he failed or not. Considering the war is still going on and we don't know what Itachi's part is we can't say for sure.

I understand they were going to have a coup. I was wanting you to tell me why you think they went that way in the first place.