Why Hebi Sasuke > Sage Mode Naruto.

[take it easy]

That would be fine if naruto actually planned it. Like sasuke did with orochimaru. But naruto just got summoned out of the blue with extra toads already in SM, and then random kurama rampage and then random minato and random extra info and random book, and random nice guy nagato . Most pains were taken out while deva was useless and so on.

deidara fight ( plot and only plot save sasuke ass). itachi fight ( itachi let sasuke win). killer bee ( taka, karin and plot save sasuke ass)

 

[AlphaScythian]

He defeated all but 1 with his own power. Name one shinobi, near equal footing with SM Naruto, that could defeat Deva path? Exactly, you can't.

Well hebi sasuke can easily defeat deva path with genjutsu + finish move given that deva will try to capture him like he did with naruto and not just ST away from the bat

deidara fight ( plot and only plot save sasuke ass). itachi fight ( itachi let sasuke win). killer bee ( taka, karin and plot save sasuke ass)

It ok its ok. Dont worry now. It over

 

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deidara fight ( plot and only plot save sasuke ass). itachi fight ( itachi let sasuke win). killer bee ( taka, karin and plot let sasuke win)

This exactly.

1. Deidara fight, Kishi pulled some ultimate Deus ex Machina.
2. He needed Sasuke to get EMS. Plus to gain Susanoo/Ameterasu.
3. Kishi forgot he needed Sasuke later on in the series and beat the hell out of Sasuke, brought him back, beat him up again, and brought him back.

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Well hebi sasuke can easily defeat deva path with genjuts + finish move given that deva will try to capture him like he did with naruto and not just ST away from the bat

Sharingan can not cast visual genjutsu on the Rinnegan, as apparently it's a higher form, and the rinnegan can see straight through it. Hebi Sasuke has no finishing moves, besides Kirin, which takes a good amount of time to get ready. It was a nice sunny day during the fight with Naruto/6POP, so it's only fair the same applies for Sasuke.

 

[Smd]

its not hard to believe hebi sasuke> sm naruto

look at what happen in chapter 300, sasuke looked like a high level jounin.

While he made naruto and team 7 look like the genin and chunnin that they are.

Hebi sasuke could def keep up with sm naruto, he kept up with deidara

 

[AlphaScythian]

Sharingan can not cast visual genjutsu on the Rinnegan, as apparently it's a higher form, and the rinnegan can see straight through it. Hebi Sasuke has no finishing moves, besides Kirin, which takes a good amount of time to get ready. It was a nice sunny day during the fight with Naruto/6POP, so it's only fair the same applies for Sasuke.

Care to provide manga proof? Rinnegan couldnt even see through rocks that were actually clones of naruto.
Finishing move would be cutting head off from paralysed by genjutsu deva.

 

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its not hard to believe hebi sasuke> sm naruto

look at what happen in chapter 300, sasuke looked like a high level jounin.

While he made naruto and team 7 look like the genin and chunnin that they are.

Hebi sasuke could def keep up with sm naruto, he kept up with deidara

That was before Naruto was SM, plus you're saying he looked like a high level jounin based off of appearances. Get out of here. There was no fighting in chapter 300, so idk what you're talking about. Sasuke fodderized Naruto, who only had 1 variation of Rasengan. Tell him to try that now . SM Naruto > Hebi Sasuke.


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Care to provide manga proof? Rinnegan couldnt even see through rocks that were actually clones of naruto.
Finishing move would be cutting head off from paralysed by genjutsu deva.

I gave you proof later in that post. It's like Sasuke trying to cast genjutsu on Itachi. It's useless as he can see right through it, and vice-versa.

 

[take it easy]

its not hard to believe hebi sasuke> sm naruto

look at what happen in chapter 300, sasuke looked like a high level jounin.

While he made naruto and team 7 look like the genin and chunnin that they are.

Hebi sasuke could def keep up with sm naruto, he kept up with deidara

please... sasuke wins only because naruto and team not want kill him

 

[aimop95]

Rinnigan is the most powerful Dojutsu. It is comparable in to the Bakyugan in that visual genjutsu is useless on it.

 

[johnnyindigo]

Your obviously wrong, as poll says it all

 

[Fuxion]

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If SM Naruto can reach Pain who has shinra tensei in less than 5 seconds 100's of ft away, how do you think he will be able to evade naruto long enough to set up kirin?

Sasuke has no intel on Naruto's abilities at all besides chakra cloak and rasengan..
He probably wouldn't evade rasen shuriken in time without knowledge of it's expanding ability, pain had to sacrifice one of his just to escape it after all.


Genjutsu as far as that goes is probably the only way he'd have the upper hand on naruto. Naruto however does have intel on the sharigan's abilities.. He was already trapped into itachi's I don't see him making a mistake like that again on sasuke after all, even so I really doubt kurama wants to be killed by a sharigan user.

Gamabunta and manda are pretty close to equals, I will agree manda is slightly stronger however.
Naruto would fodderize manda and sasuke would fodder gama so summonings are useless.

Naruto would never be hit by katon because SM would sense it, and at which point when sasuke gets a chance even to spam katon in order to use kirin he would be out of chakra while naruto on the other hand has a much larger chakra reserve than sasuke meaning rasengan to the face.

Hebi sasuke loses

 

[Styles]

please... sasuke wins only because naruto and team not want kill him

simply because they couldn't kill him

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If SM Naruto can reach Pain who has shinra tensei in less than 5 seconds 100's of ft away, how do you think he will be able to evade naruto long enough to set up kirin?

Sasuke has no intel on Naruto's abilities at all besides chakra cloak and rasengan..
He probably wouldn't evade rasen shuriken in time without knowledge of it's expanding ability, pain had to sacrifice one of his just to escape it after all.


Genjutsu as far as that goes is probably the only way he'd have the upper hand on naruto. Naruto however does have intel on the sharigan's abilities.. He was already trapped into itachi's I don't see him making a mistake like that again on sasuke after all, even so I really doubt kurama wants to be killed by a sharigan user.

Gamabunta and manda are pretty close to equals, I will agree manda is slightly stronger however.
Naruto would fodderize manda and sasuke would fodder gama so summonings are useless.

Naruto would never be hit by katon because SM would sense it, and at which point when sasuke gets a chance even to spam katon in order to use kirin he would be out of chakra while naruto on the other hand has a much larger chakra reserve than sasuke meaning rasengan to the face.

Hebi sasuke loses

Katon's doesn't use up that much chakra and he specializes in fire nature but i kinda agree since naruto is in sage mode his chakra is increased by quite a huge margin

 

[shelke]

Hebi Sasuke is definitely stronger than SM Naruto. His best technique FRS can only be used twice in SM. After that, he's out of SM. FRS is also not a very fast technique. Pein dodged it at nearly point blank range and he did so whilst keeping two other clones at bay. This is how it went down:

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- He stabs each clone whilst dodging.

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If he can do so, then so can Sasuke as Third Raikage is no speed demon like his son, and same goes for Pein. This is manga fact. Sasuke pretty much evaded both Bee and Raikage at a speed above V1 but under V2. FRS is considerably slower. Not to mention in order to call his clones soaking the Sage energy he needs to utilize a scroll.

Anyhow, Madara was able to see KageBushin without EMS, in fact Kage Bushin has never fooled Sharingan. With FRS dodged, what would Naruto do? Maa and Paa are taken out easily with genjutsu or killed outright with Kenjutsu as Sasuke was able to pin down Kabuto's snake effortlessly when he was still in DSM. These toads are not faster or as fast as Kabuto. Naruto can also not fuse with Naruto considering his Kurama chakra.

Naruto can be easily put under genjutsu himself and paralyzed if he comes near. Manda or a Hawk can be summoned to assist. Sasuke wins mid difference max.

 

[Raikiri10]

Well if we are going to use logic/ manga proven attribute weakness

Futon >> Raiton which means Rasenshirken >>> Kirin

 

[AfricanProdigy]

Lol yeah its like dropping a nuke and call it precision strike. I dont need to deny a shit here actually. One way or another sasuke tanked one hell of explosion which proves my point regardless of where and if deidara aimed

But u never make sense of all pages right?

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The more you talk, the more you make yourself look like a fool. If "I'm clipping your wings now you bastard!" is another way of saying I got you, why wouldn't he just say that, and why is he specifically talking about the wings? Why not some other body part, like a leg, a foot, an arm? Or is that ALSO another way of saying "I got you"? Trying so hard to dismiss manga facts, living in your denial world. I do believe you agree TrollingSage and me, but you just don't want to because you are already embarassed and looking like a fool, so now you're trying to whoop some BS info out of your a*s to prove that you aren't foolish. The denial is strong with this.
I guess Chiharu WAS right, NarutoBase does have fertile ground because fools (which include SOMEONE >_>) tend to grow often from its rich land.
#denial101

 

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Hebi Sasuke is definitely stronger than SM Naruto. His best technique FRS can only be used twice in SM. After that, he's out of SM. FRS is also not a very fast technique. Pein dodged it at nearly point blank range and he did so whilst keeping two other clones at bay. This is how it went down:

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- Notice the distance where he notices it.

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- He stabs each clone whilst dodging.

This happened for Raikage:

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If he can do so, then so can Sasuke as Third Raikage is no speed demon like his son, and same goes for Pein. This is manga fact. Sasuke pretty much evaded both Bee and Raikage at a speed above V1 but under V2. FRS is considerably slower. Not to mention in order to call his clones soaking the Sage energy he needs to utilize a scroll.

Anyhow, Madara was able to see KageBushin without EMS, in fact Kage Bushin has never fooled Sharingan. With FRS dodged, what would Naruto do? Maa and Paa are taken out easily with genjutsu or killed outright with Kenjutsu as Sasuke was able to pin down Kabuto's snake effortlessly when he was still in DSM. These toads are not faster or as fast as Kabuto. Naruto can also not fuse with Naruto considering his Kurama chakra.

Naruto can be easily put under genjutsu himself and paralyzed if he comes near. Manda or a Hawk can be summoned to assist. Sasuke wins mid difference max.

No sir. No... Third Raikage is known for his speed as well. That's why he's such a rival. He had his shield, unstoppable offense, and his speed. Sasuke could evade their attacks because he had the MS. He does not have speed comparable to Bee or Raikage, it's simply reflexes. His MS allows him to see the attacks, and Bee takes note of this in their fight, after he beats the living hell out of him... twice

The fact Naruto was able to dodge the Raikages attack in only SM is a feat in its own right. He dodged when the Raikage was about a foot away, and managed to defeat him. SM speeds are boosted considerably. Also, Sasuke can not control manda after summoning. He has to control it via sharingan, which will take a large sum of his chakra, which he can't afford to lose in a fight with Naruto. His hawk won't actually do anything... Even with Manda, Gamabunta is more than enough to handle him. Frogs are known to eat snakes:heh:

FRS will decimate Sasuke. If Naruto can think up a strategy to take out Pain, one of the strongest characters in NV, I'm sure he can take out Hebi Sasuke who is hardly top 30. Naruto wins with High diff. :scorps:

 

[TrollingSage]

Hebi Sasuke is definitely stronger than SM Naruto. His best technique FRS can only be used twice in SM. After that, he's out of SM. FRS is also not a very fast technique. Pein dodged it at nearly point blank range and he did so whilst keeping two other clones at bay. This is how it went down:

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- Notice the distance where he notices it.

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- He stabs each clone whilst dodging.

This happened for Raikage:

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and

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If he can do so, then so can Sasuke as Third Raikage is no speed demon like his son, and same goes for Pein. This is manga fact. Sasuke pretty much evaded both Bee and Raikage at a speed above V1 but under V2. FRS is considerably slower. Not to mention in order to call his clones soaking the Sage energy he needs to utilize a scroll.

Anyhow, Madara was able to see KageBushin without EMS, in fact Kage Bushin has never fooled Sharingan. With FRS dodged, what would Naruto do? Maa and Paa are taken out easily with genjutsu or killed outright with Kenjutsu as Sasuke was able to pin down Kabuto's snake effortlessly when he was still in DSM. These toads are not faster or as fast as Kabuto. Naruto can also not fuse with Naruto considering his Kurama chakra.

Naruto can be easily put under genjutsu himself and paralyzed if he comes near. Manda or a Hawk can be summoned to assist. Sasuke wins mid difference max.

You know what when I saw its your post, I intended to ignore it since you're a hardcore Sasuke fanboy but I didnt expect you to be this much of a fanboy.
1. Madara so through kagebunshin without EMS? When did that even happen?
2.Sasuke can easily dodge FRS? Have you forgotten that it expands?Without that info Sasuke will most likely end up like Pain's paths
3. Sasuke kills Ma and Pa with ken jutsu of genjutsu? This has got to be the biggest joke ever.
You're saying that as if Ma and Pa are some weak defenceless creatures. Apart from the fact that they can paralyze Sasuke with their frog song genjutsu, there're 2 of them. Meaning any gen jutsu Sasuke tries will be countered by the other person who isnt caught. Sasuke has no feat of catching more than one opponent in a gen jutsu.
And as for that kenjutsu nonsense

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4 Last but no the least, you completely disregarded Naruto's abilities in sm. The moment Sasuke tries any physical confrontation (which he most likely will), he's a goner thanks to Naruto's enhanced
strength and invisible punches.
The only real threat to SM Naruto is kirin , which he most likely wont be able to set up before losing

 

[BigBlade Master]

Hebi Sasuke is only better in apparence and mental (from far!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)

 

[HadouKage]

You know what when I saw its your post, I intended to ignore it since you're a hardcore Sasuke fanboy but I didnt expect you to be this much of a fanboy.
1. Madara so through kagebunshin without EMS? When did that even happen?
2.Sasuke can easily dodge FRS? Have you forgotten that it expands?Without that info Sasuke will most likely end up like Pain's paths
3. Sasuke kills Ma and Pa with ken jutsu of genjutsu? This has got to be the biggest joke ever.
You're saying that as if Ma and Pa are some weak defenceless creatures. Apart from the fact that they can paralyze Sasuke with their frog song genjutsu, there're 2 of them. Meaning any gen jutsu Sasuke tries will be countered by the other person who isnt caught. Sasuke has no feat of catching more than one opponent in a gen jutsu.
And as for that kenjutsu nonsense

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4 Last but no the least, you completely disregarded Naruto's abilities in sm. The moment Sasuke tries any physical confrontation (which he most likely will), he's a goner thanks to Naruto's enhanced
strength and invisible punches.
The only real threat to SM Naruto is kirin , which he most likely wont be able to set up before losing

LOL you did the work for me, wasn't even going to bother

 

[TrollingSage]

LOL you did the work for me, wasn't even going to bother

Yea I wasnt going to bother but that guy just talks too much nonsense. From his point of view every single hair of Sasuke > any form of Naruto.

 

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1. Uchiha Macho.
2. Shelke.
3. MinatoTheYellowFlash.
3. Frikid.
4. Sea Of Thy Soul.
5. AlphaScythian. (just added)

These people don't really understand logic. They are hardcore Sasuke fanboys so don't waste your time arguing with them. I won't be surprised when any of them say that Genin Sasuke solos BM Naruto because he has the Sharingan, or that EMS Sasuke solos SO6P because he has Amaterasu.