Why Hashirama turned out rather quick against the 3rd!!!!

[Head of the Uzumaki clan]

I have heard that the hiruzen soloed them quite easy because he was the god of Shinobi and stuff but come on the 1st and 2nd like that looks hard and impossible at that age.Now my opinion is that kishi didn't saw this going to far but there was the saying that Hashirama was stronger than Madara but he never that it would extend that much that he had show Madara as a villain and now hashi's strength looked a little bit ridiculous I think this is a plot hole careful not plot no Jutsu but a plot hole.Any opinion?

I meant weak in the title sorry.

 

[Head of the Uzumaki clan]

I am talking about the manga extending so much so there won't be any confusion

 

[thegame]

Seriously bro.. idiots keep making this thread...

there is a simple answer, and it is no plot hole. In part 1, all the shinobi was at a certain level, then there was a brake, it was decided (by kishi and investors, and SJ) that the entire story needed a power-up, so the battle scenes would become more immense. So every shinobi had a huge power-up. Look at Oro, even with his condition he gained a huge power up in part 2 compared to part 1. This is very unrealistic, and it completely explains why hashi and tobirama appeared so "weak" in that battle.

Idiots keep trying to say it was incomplete edo tensei etc, but they are morons, don't listen to that crap. Whether Hiru could beat hashi 1 vs 1 with no DRS, is unknown. Hiru lost the fight, and yeah you are probably right that kishi hadn't decided how strong to make hashi, but if he wants to, he can show us a flash back with hiru, and show hiru to be even stronger, it's all up to him, but stop fu*king comparing people from part 1 to people that have been seen or heard of in fights in part 2

 

[Sonnelion]

:scorpsidn't read it.:y

 

[DeadManWonderLand]

I have heard that the hiruzen soloed them quite easy because he was the god of Shinobi and stuff but come on the 1st and 2nd like that looks hard and impossible at that age.Now my opinion is that kishi didn't saw this going to far but there was the saying that Hashirama was stronger than Madara but he never that it would extend that much that he had show Madara as a villain and now hashi's strength looked a little bit ridiculous I think this is a plot hole careful not plot no Jutsu but a plot hole.Any opinion?


Oro was controlling their movements they did not have free will over what justu they used and a barrier was up to keep the fight limited to the top roof only so not was each justu predetermined by oro but space was also limited and then shortly after hiruzen knew he was going to die since he was old had less chakra and was up against oro and the first two hokage he used rds to get rid of them all.hiruzen was the strongest kaga of his generation which includes the kage from other nations but not the ones who came before him.
Hashirama was the strongest kage to live period

 

[Head of the Uzumaki clan]

Seriously bro.. idiots keep making this thread...

there is a simple answer, and it is no plot hole. In part 1, all the shinobi was at a certain level, then there was a brake, it was decided (by kishi and investors, and SJ) that the entire story needed a power-up, so the battle scenes would become more immense. So every shinobi had a huge power-up. Look at Oro, even with his condition he gained a huge power up in part 2 compared to part 1. This is very unrealistic, and it completely explains why hashi and tobirama appeared so "weak" in that battle.

Idiots keep trying to say it was incomplete edo tensei etc, but they are morons, don't listen to that crap. Whether Hiru could beat hashi 1 vs 1 with no DRS, is unknown. Hiru lost the fight, and yeah you are probably right that kishi hadn't decided how strong to make hashi, but if he wants to, he can show us a flash back with hiru, and show hiru to be even stronger, it's all up to him, but stop fu*king comparing people from part 1 to people that have been seen or heard of in fights in part 2

Stop the hate but you agree he made him weak and as you can see I am new I cant see what happened two months ago nor I see every single post each day dude I have a life

 

[Rorschach]

refreshes thread... still doesn't get it :scorps:

 

[Head of the Uzumaki clan]

:scorpsidn't read it.:y

Why comment then?

 

[Head of the Uzumaki clan]

refreshes thread... still doesn't get it :scorps:

Mistake in title not quick but weak

 

[Elio]

Hiruzen didn't even solo them easily. He was getting smacked around until he decided to just seal them.

 

[VangBro95]

Didn't understand anything you wrote.

 

[SAGA]

I have heard that the hiruzen soloed them quite easy because he was the god of Shinobi and stuff but come on the 1st and 2nd like that looks hard and impossible at that age.Now my opinion is that kishi didn't saw this going to far but there was the saying that Hashirama was stronger than Madara but he never that it would extend that much that he had show Madara as a villain and now hashi's strength looked a little bit ridiculous I think this is a plot hole careful not plot no Jutsu but a plot hole.Any opinion?

I meant weak in the title sorry.

You get a medal for multi posting.

 

[Head of the Uzumaki clan]

Didn't understand anything you wrote.

Problem must you have

 

[Supreme x Uchiha]

:flaw:I have no idea wat I just read.. even the title of this thread makes no sense. smh

 

[SAGA]

Problem must you have

Learn some grammar and then post a thread.

 

[thegame]

Stop the hate but you agree he made him weak and as you can see I am new I cant see what happened two months ago nor I see every single post each day dude I have a life

no hate against you, just a hate against these sort of threads, chill out, now you know lol, and you will see within a week this thread has been remade 20 times..

 

[SAGA]

In short, Kishimoto retconned.

/thread.

Dear plot holes, Kishi fails to fill them. It's true tho, idiots keep making the same thread over and over again.

 

[OnPoint]

Hashirama's strength has indeed been retconned by Kishimoto. In part I, he was merely the Hokage who founded Konoha - he had little relevance to the story line at that time. However, in part II, the plot has taken a different route where Shodai's abilities and overall strength have become far more prominent, and that is the reason why shinobi such as Kabuto have said the things they've said regarding his might.

 

[SEEDLESS]

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here yah go dattebayo!!! the third hokage never ever beaten 1st and 2nd hokage. keep that in mind.

the fight you were referring was "they were mere puppets/edo by orochimaru"
logic man... logic. =]

 

[YellowFlash1]

I believe that their is a misconception between Hish's strength and Madara's strength.

You see Hishimara is known for him being able to take down Madara Uchiha, which yes is an impressive feat. However... Do we know how strong he was in reality, it's pretty clear he was nowhere near as strong as he is now, due to Edo and Rinnegan.

I think people seem to forget this. Allot of people probably compare hish's strength to Edo Madara and believe he is god. It's quite unclear at this time to determine how strong he actually was although, he can not take on Madara as he is now.

Another thing is the story, everyone knows that as the story goes on the people get stronger. You see... You can't have Naruto meeting opponent's that are to strong for him or he will never improve.... He has to work his way up, the stronger Naruto get's the more stronger opponents will get revealed.

Take kakashi for example. Why didn't he have "MS" Sharingan to being with? Because... It means that he could easily take on every opponent with ease and leaving no time for Naruto to develop. There also wouldn't be much of a story either.