Why FTG can be countered ( I'll explain why ) AND why Madara reacted to Minato.

[mangenkyo]

Ok think of it like this,when minato released the kyuubi from obito's control way back when minato's touch on obito was instantanous that obito didnt realise he was hit until it was too late. The first arm which minato used was his dominant hand which is his right hand what if the reason minato couldnt hit madara fast enough was because he was using his weaker/slower hand

 

[Thundergod123]

Oh I know that, I mean Madara knows how the FTG user will attack as he did with Tobirama by seeing Tobirama use FTG to get in close and strike his brother years ago. But I also think it's also that Kishi wanted Minato to fail since Minato could have appeared behind Madara as said above and he could have appeared with his attack mid used instead of his arm all the way back. Minato speed is lower as an Edo as well since all of an Edo stat is lower than when they are alive.

Look at the speed Edo Madara shown and the speed Madara after he was brought back alive speed. Alive Madara speed blitz SM Naruto and Sai while Naruto's clone was able to handle the Edo 3rd Raikage speed (sure it's lower than alive Raikage but their speed is still faster than a SM Naruto). So Edo Minato with his Sensory should have been able to sense Madara's moves and FTG to a different dirction by Madara which is all in Edo Minato's capabilities as we seen SM user able to dodge attacks faster than them as Kabuto also displayed.

Well, I understand what you mean, and I agree with you.

As I said earlier, when Minato use FTG and teleport directly against someone who has sensor skills, better range attacks and highly reaction time can counter FTG users. I also agree about when you said about FTG teleports above their opponent or from behind, but that doesn't really matter, it really depends on the user with FTG attack and reaction time. It is just when Minato mentioned that Kakashi's Chidori would be countered because it has too much speed, and wouldn't react to the opponent's counter attack. Minato or Tobirama becomes vulnerable when they are outside FTG, and that's when you can counter them

 

[yesman1222]

I assumed it could always be countered. They just had to have really good reaction speed. The teleportation is instant, the attack after isn't.

 

[Thundergod123]

Ok think of it like this,when minato released the kyuubi from obito's control way back when minato's touch on obito was instantanous that obito didnt realise he was hit until it was too late. The first arm which minato used was his dominant hand which is his right hand what if the reason minato couldnt hit madara fast enough was because he was using his weaker/slower hand

Lel, that's a good reason why Kishi made Madara countered Minato, and even though Minato hit Obito with his right arm as well. But I don't think that matters because Minato's attack aren't really fast enough unless you can sense he teleports behind you in an instant, and that's when he become vulnerable.

 

[Thundergod123]

I assumed it could always be countered. They just had to have really good reaction speed. The teleportation is instant, the attack after isn't.

Yeah, that was about my thread.

 

[WalksInShadows]

if that was the case, there would've been a "!" coming from Madara to indicate an inability to anticipate Minato teleporting that close to him. Tobirama didn't use any ninjutsu after using it in his attempt against Madara, but the outcome was basically the same. And those reflexes were only compounded by the fact that before arriving there, Madara had gotten rid of Hagoromo's tools to make himself faster.

 

[Gold Lightning]

People are saying that minato was in sage mode so he should've done better, yet forget that Madara was also in sage mode U_U

 

[Thundergod123]

People are saying that minato was in sage mode so he should've done better, yet forget that Madara was also in sage mode U_U

Ignore them, they are only Madara fans, but it is a fact that Madara had better reaction time and better counter part rather than Minato's attack.

 

[Tennis Robot]

You're even more inarticulate than I am.

 

[ad0]

Did yourll forget that madara can see Teleportation jutsu with his Renniegan. Just how his saw the kages

Madara Renniegan Vision>FTG Speed

 

[xxSAGExx]

Well, I understand what you mean, and I agree with you.

As I said earlier, when Minato use FTG and teleport directly against someone who has sensor skills, better range attacks and highly reaction time can counter FTG users. I also agree about when you said about FTG teleports above their opponent or from behind, but that doesn't really matter, it really depends on the user with FTG attack and reaction time. It is just when Minato mentioned that Kakashi's Chidori would be countered because it has too much speed, and wouldn't react to the opponent's counter attack. Minato or Tobirama becomes vulnerable when they are outside FTG, and that's when you can counter them

The speed wasn't the issue, it was that you need the "eyes" to see the counter attacks. The speed for chidori creates a tunnel vision and Lee commented the same thing when he saw Sasuke use chidori on Gaara, said he could never do that since he doesn't have the eyes. In Tobirama and Minato case, both were in Edo form so wasn't at their full power and Madara even said Tobirama was once hailed as the fastest but can't access his true power and we know it's because he's an Edo. Tobirama and Minato both have higher speed than Sasuke who has lower speed than A unless his senjutsus increased his speed but nothing was mentioned about it as it was with SM.