Why EMS Madara is not on the same level as Hashirama.

[Ahmed1993]

We don't know the limits of either sons. It's just an assumption on your part that Hashirama is on the younger son's level.

Well true , but since the Juubi has the same Jutsu as Hashirama ( on much higher level of course ) its safe to assume its the same for the Younger son.
Also Hashirama is hyped as much as the Rikudo. ( but that's hype anyway ).

But i respect your opinion U_U

 

[Ahmed1993]

I agree, nice read

Thank you bro

??? how did he loose if he still alive?

He lost the fight , whether he survived or not.

 

[Fighter2011]

Madara and hashirama are on the same level. Just because hashirama is a little bit stronger does not mean he's on an entirely different level.

And please stop saying madara+Kyuubi. Kurama was part of his power. The beast was being controlled by madara and actually had a contract, making it his summon. Are you saying that summoning are not part of someone's power?

 

[Aya San]

Madara is on a different level intellect wise

 

[Booker]

TL;DR

Good show chap.

 

[andrewperez]

Mito must have invisibility no jutsu since we couldn't see her fighting alongside Hashi at VotE

ohkkay i guess she was read this

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[Bogard]

Already lost to him despite Kyubi as a support. No need for further explanations

 

[andrewperez]

Thank you bro



He lost the fight , whether he survived or not.

ohhkay so sasukue beat naruto doesnt mean he is stronger , madaara progress from loosing with the rinngan what did hashirama gain?

 

[Penguin]

Base Hashirama > EMS Madara
EMS Madara + Kyuubi > Hashirama
SM Hashirama >> EMS Madara + Kyuubi
SM Hashirama > Rinnegan Madara

 

[Ahmed1993]

Madara and hashirama are on the same level. Just because hashirama is a little bit stronger does not mean he's on an entirely different level.

And please stop saying madara+Kyuubi. Kurama was part of his power. The beast was being controlled by madara and actually had a contract, making it his summon. Are you saying that summoning are not part of someone's power?

Kyuubi is a one time summon , and it helped Madara a lot with its fire power.
Also yes summoning are not part of the user's power, Itachi himself said it to Kabuto.

Madara is on a different level intellect wise

If he is , then he would have achieved his full potential years ago and true peace would have been reached
Like Tobirama said :
Hashirama is too lenient and Madara too dangerous.

 

[Bieber]

Well true , but since the Juubi has the same Jutsu as Hashirama ( on much higher level of course ) its safe to assume its the same for the Younger son.
Also Hashirama is hyped as much as the Rikudo. ( but that's hype anyway ).

But i respect your opinion U_U

That would be similar to the Jubi, not the Younger Son. It wouldn't be safe to assume; it's just speculation. You really don't have any ground for such a claim. Madara also has similarities to the Jubi as well, but it's not safe to assume he's on the Younger Son's level? Doesn't make much sense here. The Jubi's eye also has tomoes while the Elder Son's eyes don't.

 

[Ahmed1993]

ohkkay i guess she was read this

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That was after the fight.
Kyuubi was put to sleep by Hashirama , and here he is clearly awake.

Already lost to him despite Kyubi as a support. No need for further explanations

I know that , and that's why i explained it.

ohhkay so sasukue beat naruto doesnt mean he is stronger , madaara progress from loosing with the rinngan what did hashirama gain?

I didn't understand what you said here.

Base Hashirama > EMS Madara
EMS Madara + Kyuubi > Hashirama
SM Hashirama >> EMS Madara + Kyuubi
SM Hashirama > Rinnegan Madara

Please read my thread and note.

TL;DR

Good show chap.

Thank you.

 

[Aya San]

Kyuubi is a one time summon , and it helped Madara a lot with its fire power.
Also yes summoning are not part of the user's power, Itachi himself said it to Kabuto.



If he is , then he would have achieved his full potential years ago and true peace would have instated
Like Tobirama said :
Hashirama is too lenient and Madara too dangerous.

I don't understand what intellectually superior to Hashirama has to do with reaching his full potential earlier? I don't understand your true peace part

 

[Ahmed1993]

That would be similar to the Jubi, not the Younger Son. It wouldn't be safe to assume; it's just speculation. You really don't have any ground for such a claim. Madara also has similarities to the Jubi as well, but it's not safe to assume he's on the Younger Son's level? Doesn't make much sense here. The Jubi's eye also has tomoes while the Elder Son's eyes don't.

The Juubi is the true source of the chakra , also he and SO6P are the source of the sons's power.
Elder son's eye isn't a Sharingan but it look like a Rinnegan which look like the Juubi's eye.

 

[Ahmed1993]

I don't understand what intellectually superior to Hashirama has to do with reaching his full potential earlier? I don't understand your true peace part

Hashirama's way of peace is right but he is naive.
Madara's way of peace is wrong and he is dangerous.

In order for the true peace to be achieved the two sons's descendants needs to cooperates.

And the elder son's descendants needs to drop their hatred and wrong ideals to awaken their Full potential , and thus they can cooperate with the descendants of the younger son ( since both will have the same ideals in this case )

 

[3MESSIAH]

i understand what you mean OP but it`s still funny how a lot of people still believe hashirama was way above EMS madara.the guy beat madara with extreme high difficulty and collapsed after the fight which is an indicator that they were on the same level

 

[Ahmed1993]

i understand what you mean OP but it`s still funny how a lot of people still believe hashirama was way above EMS madara.the guy beat madara with extreme high difficulty and collapsed after the fight which is an indicator that they were on the same level

I appreciate that you understood me , but you are forgetting the Kyuubi in the equation of EMS Madara vs Hashirama.

Without him , he would have lost badly ( granted he would have pushed Hashirama to use SM but after that he would have been mid diffed )

 

[andrewperez]

maadara obtain the rinngan after the fight , saying there arent same lvl is bull, he obtain a new lvl and hashirama never progressed after the fight

 

[Ahmed1993]

maadara obtain the rinngan after the fight , saying there arent same lvl is bull, he obtain a new lvl and hashirama never progressed after the fight

Read the title and the thread , i clearly stated that i'm talking about EMS Madara and i said don't bring edo and alive Rinnegan Madara into the equation.

 

[3MESSIAH]

I appreciate that you understood me , but you are forgetting the Kyuubi in the equation of EMS Madara vs Hashirama.

Without him , he would have lost badly ( granted he would have pushed Hashirama to use SM but after that he would have been mid diffed )

i agree.however when we talk about EMS madara then the kyuubi is in equation.(waits for borrowed power argument =D)