Why don't countries prohibit the use of weapons?

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It is ideal [not imo, but I see it being one to others] but idiotic to think of such a utopia.

If you remove guns, people will get them illegally. Make them, black-market it, whatever. How would you get the police to fight a man rampaging through the city with a gun if they have none? Heck, a man with a knife can do a lot of damage against the police force if the criminal doesn't fear the guns.

If a country prohibits weapons, it would be run over by another country. Prohibit nukes in the US then North Korea etc. would blow up the US. Unless somehow we can remove all weapons from the planet and the concept of them, it can't happen. In addition to that, why do it?

Our economies depends so much on the military. Also, Darwin was correct - when we have the push to protect ourselves, we do amazing things. The largest technological booms happened during times of war.. World War 1, World War 2, the Cold War.. Had the military and weapons not existed, we wouldn't be able to talk to each other right now.
 

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I understand. It really is unfortunate to know that even those in authority are among the people that spread corruption and instability among our homelands. However, it's never too late to give up my friend. The root cause of this is clearly because of the money in it. But there's no benefit in "dirty money". I feel this should be obvious to most of the intelligent folks. Money can be a really evil thing. It can twist people's minds. I mean it's worse than Kotoamatsukami. Naw seriously, people need to see through these illusions and wake the **** up.

About this VX gas, hasn't it been outlawed by the CWC? Damn, this is scary shit. It's not just about the US alone, I mean there are a large handful of countries with weapons of mass destruction. Such weapons and equipment are an undeniable atrocity to our world. I didn't know Hitler was elected democratically. I always thought of him as a tyrant who forced his way through the masses and reached the top, only to get cold-blooded revenge. By the way, it depends on how people should be armed when you say you want them to be armed. I would always feel unsafe if people around me were possessing a pistol or assult rifle etc. However, if they possessed a something like a baton or even body armor, it would be much less frightening and smarter, wouldn't you agree? Any object can be considered a weapon if you think about it.
Those in authority have a habit of becoming corrupt with power because they are above most laws. The people that don't become corrupt are those that just live their daily lives.

Dunno if it has been outlawed but total US supplies are estimated to be able to exterminate Earth about 6 times over.... We really have a problem when it comes to safety from governments. Even giving a mass murderer a tank couldn't be as dangerous as the government and their plans for "national security".

Yup, democratically elected. He convinced the German people to burn all the books that were counter to his beliefs, then he convinced them that guns were the source of crime in Germany so he got many Germans to turn in their guns voluntarily. Then he implimented gun registration and all those with guns were suppose to register their guns or be criminals. Then he dug through medical history and disarmed anyone that he deemed "dangerous". Jews were later classified as a disease/disorder and all of them had their guns taken away then the rest of the Germans were disarmed, except for people that supported Hiter (They were armed). Then Hitler became a dictator because he had the SS, the Military, and no one could oppose him. You should know the rest... This is why everyone that is pro-second amendment is against gun registries, it allowed Hitler to commit his Genocide.

"Germans who wish to use firearms should join the SS or the SA — ordinary citizens don't need guns, as their having guns doesn't serve the State" - (Heinrich Himmler)


"This year will go down in history! For the first time, a civilized nation has full gun registration! Our streets will be safer, our police more efficient, and the world will follow our lead into the future!" - (Adolf Hitler)

Why do you feel unsafe? The safest places in the USA have high carry rates. The most dangerous places have banned people from carrying guns. Chicago banned guns and it became more dangerous there than when Al Cappone was running the place.
Gun ownership is manditory -
Guns -were- banned -
Gun ban in capitol -

The number of guns used in violence is much less than the media would make you believe:
There are 270 million guns in the United States (or about 89 for every 100 citizens). In 2011, there were 8,583 firearms homicides, down from 11,078 in 2010 (a decrease of 22.6%).

Thus, of the population of 270 million firearms, only about .003 percent are used for homicides (not accounting for the chance that multiple guns are used in some homicides).

Kansas actually keeps a list of crimes committed by people carrying concealed guns:
Of the 51,078 permits that have been issued by the state since the law took effect in 2007, 44 permit holders have been charged with a crime while using a firearm through late October, according to records provided by the Kansas Attorney General’s Office.

That works out to one charge for every 1,161 permit holders, or 0.09 percent.

The numbers squeeze even tighter when you consider that of the 44 permit holders charged, 17 licenses have been revoked because they were convicted of a crime that disqualifies them from having a permit. Jacobs is among the 17 whose licenses are currently suspended, pending the outcome of their cases. The remaining 10 have had their licenses reinstated because either the charges were dismissed or they were convicted of lesser charges.

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Although you wouldn't know this because most news networks ignored this. They want to keep you ignorant. During the same time period Austrailia banned guns and their numbers have been going up.

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and *** crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades…

Despite national attention to the issue of firearm violence, most Americans are unaware that gun crime is lower today than it was two decades ago. According to a new Pew Research Center survey, today 56% of Americans believe gun crime is higher than 20 years ago and only 12% think it is lower.

A gun is nothing more than a tool. I could put a gun on a table and leave it there for 10,000 years. Unless someone picks it up and pulls the trigger it will do NOTHING. A gun cannot kill anyone without a human to use it and maintain it. It is all up to the person carrying the gun what happens with it. Almost all people that carry guns have no intention to shoot you, unless you are a thief breaking into their house or threatening them or their family. They just want to keep it with them to protect themselves and maby someone else. They don't want to go to jail or kill anyone, they just want to live their lives safely like you. The only difference is they do not rely on other people with a gun (police) to protect them because they know it can take police 15 minutes to respond to anything, 15 mins almost never happens 30mins to 1 hour is about the norm for a medium sized city. Even the police don't want us to disarm US citizens and see it for what it really is:
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Don't want to make this much longer.... But here is an article about Australia's gun ban, the images are from the Australian Institute of Criminology:
 
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Sorry, what I mean is that if those in authority are loyal, educated and trustworthy, then it would be ideal for them to possess weapons. Along with this, if they establish a legislation on the abolition of weapons and arms, then this would also be effective and thoughtful. Laws and legislation are like bricks. In order to build a suitable and stable place you must get the right bricks which are all the right size but not only this, you need some mortar in order to help you build a perfect and firm place. The mortar in this case, would be the people trying their best in promoting a safe and peaceful haven full of love and justice in which ever way they can so long as it doesn't have side effects.

Just so long as there's a long enough response time that I can complete impregnating a room full of girls, forcefully and against their will, before someone with a firearm shows up for me to steal it from and kill them.

You forget that humans, like all predators, are born with several very important weapons. The most important combination being our exceptionally acute binocular vision and our large brains.

You cannot disarm someone with the will to be armed. I can come up with thousands of different ways to use what is in someone's home to create advantages for myself against any foe. I was raised under martial arts programs, and the core concepts have become -first- nature to me. I do not know how to "react like a normal person." Which is why a number of basic self-defense techniques have little effect on me (spare for the ones that inflict pain - and that is hardly as shocking of an experience as it needs to be to create an advantage).

So, the whole notion that you're somehow going to make the world safer by removing weapons is just silly. I can pick up a broom and take on a room full of people. Give me a kitchen knife and I can make several families disappear overnight. Law enforcement is the -response- to my behavior, not its prevention.

Thanks for sharing the video. It was quite shocking and has made me realize that the case of corrupt people in authority is among the most bothersome and problematic things to ever exist. It's because of this, that the World is getting ****ed up. U_U

It's really just because people are stupid. All people are corrupt and use their position as a means to leverage an advantage. People on welfare programs will intentionally get fired from jobs or disqualify themselves from the hiring process so that they can still qualify for their benefits. Why work for money when you can qualify for benefits and have plenty of time to sit around and play games or do whatever whims come to you?

Common 'wisdom' holds that it's the rich who are corrupt... but the 'poor' can be just as corrupt. Everyone leverages their position to gain an advantage. It is our collective ignorance of this fact that creates the most problems. People don't realize when they are being 'taken from behind' because they have allowed themselves to be deluded into thinking 'power' only includes political offices and money.

Your right, humans natural believe that bringing conflict will bring peace. Well, actually it's not entirely their fault since they all want peace but in their own ways, while the response of those who oppose their methods causes wars to occur. Then I say, that's when the decision of which of the two or more sides is the most rational and just. The people who are civilized and count of bringing peace through love and fairness are the heroes in my eyes and should be in anybody's eyes. People power; that's what democracy is and is about people working together to change the world for the better.

Democracy isn't about people working together. Democracy is a system of making decisions amongst a group of people with differing ideas.

The problem is that you do not 'bring' peace. To bring 'peace' and cooperation with each other means to bring about change for some other group of people. While there are means of doing and promoting this, they do not necessarily prompt -individual- cooperation. Economics can change entire cultures with breathtaking pace... but it doesn't necessarily cause people to change their individual habits and outlooks.

This is why nations like Egypt are having so much trouble. The culture is changing to keep pace with the rest of the world, and individuals are resisting that change. Violently as they so choose.

In that sense - you can't "bring" peace. You can only bring change. Which is, by its very nature, going to create turbulence that can be expressed violently.

I understand. It really is unfortunate to know that even those in authority are among the people that spread corruption and instability among our homelands. U_U However, it's never too late to give up my friend. The root cause of this is clearly because of the money in it. But there's no benefit in "dirty money". I feel this should be obvious to most of the intelligent folks. Money can be a really evil thing. It can twist people's minds. I mean it's worse than Kotoamatsukami. :rolleyes: Naw seriously, people need to see through these illusions and wake the **** up. :yeah:

Of course there is benefit in dirty money. That's precisely why people will get dirty money. Dirty money is just as spendable as any other money out there.

If I can convince you that a set of shelves I made are worth a thousand dollars when I only spent a hundred dollars and a couple hours in making them... then I made a hell of a profit off of you. Was that set really worth a thousand dollars? Who is to say? You were free to accept or reject the price, and you chose to accept it. So puzzle on that one.

Or how about this... insurance money. I can make the logical argument that insurance companies use the threat of natural disaster to get us to pay for their 'service.'

"Aim, that's silly no one controls storms."

So, how much are you paying to cover the cost of stolen items?

... Hmm?

"Aim..."

Isn't that what the mafia did? Had businesses pay to protect them from all the trash and hooligans on the street who would tear up and steal from their business? Whether those hooligans were connected to the Mafia, or not, was purely coincidental.

One is a reputable service... the other is not. Yet, logically, there is little distinction between the two.

I'm bringing up the question: "What's different between 'clean' money, and 'dirty' money?"

About this VX gas, hasn't it been outlawed by the CWC? :| Damn, this is scary shit. It's not just about the US alone, I mean there are a large handful of countries with weapons of mass destruction. :( Such weapons and equipment are an undeniable atrocity to our world.

Chemical weapons are laughably irrelevant. They're good for wiping out buildings full of people - but they don't do so well when you are trying to target things like cities.

Nuclear weapons are much more complicated endeavors than they are worth. Even a weapon in the megaton yield rating is only going to decimate a couple dozen city blocks if flown up via private aircraft. They're good if you want to tear up real-estate and property, but not so good if you want to actually kill people. Even then - most countries would be better off investing in barometric bombs (fuel-air explosives). You can get very similar results on a much smaller budget that can be used over a much wider area.

The real weapon of mass destruction comes from biological weapons. The weaponized forms of a virus can be especially potent. 'Simple' flu viruses can melt your insides due to the fact that the weapon is being introduced into your system in ways that it normally would not. Then the weapon self-propagates if it is designed to do so - meaning some rogue biologist with a Level III hot lab in his garage can, plausibly, burn out the population of an entire continent on a budget that Luxemburg could support without a second thought.

Not that making research on them illegal is even possible. You can't research cures for disease without also opening up the gates for individuals to supply themselves for their own research.

U_U I didn't know Hitler was elected democratically. I always thought of him as a tyrant who forced his way through the masses and reached the top, only to get cold-blooded revenge.

He was a hero to the people.

The Jewish bankers were the reason Germany was having problems (sound familiar?). He came in and fixed their economy - gave people jobs and got everyone working together, again. Germany prospered under Hitler's regime compared to the roughly two decades of collapse that started at the end of World War One (then known as The Great War).

He was, largely, adored by the population. Very few people actually recognized what he was doing to the Jews. They didn't want to believe that this man, who had done so much to help their country and who had been a force to rally behind against the oppressive allies of the Jews, could be exterminating an entire race.

For most of the people in Germany, he was leading them toward a just world. They had collapsed following the economic restrictions placed upon them by the Treaty of Versailles: . Inflation was so bad that you had to purchase your food on the way home from work because your paycheck would be useless by sun-down. It was the hyper-inflation that Libertarians of today have nightmares about regarding our current debt situation.

The bankers and many Jewish business owners were doing okay through all of this - and it was only a matter of time before some political personality began to use the disparity to leverage their own agenda.

Hitler had nothing against the Jews, personally. They were a political means to an end. If the bankers and business owners would have had an identifiable group of Irish amongst them - then it would have been a crusade against the Irish he would have launched.

By the way, it depends on how people should be armed when you say you want them to be armed. I would always feel unsafe if people around me were possessing a pistol or assult rifle etc.

Why?

I worked 12 hours a day, 5 days a week, armed with an anti-ballistic vest, assault rifle, side-arm, and half a dozen other lethal devices for over 7 months. I worked with 40 others doing the same thing, dealing with every manner of person you can imagine across a language barrier.

Never once had to use them.

Do you know who we had to occasionally get rough with? Unarmed people from the ship who liked to start fights with each other.

When people are armed, the risk of creating conflict becomes much higher. Even if you, personally, are not armed - what is the chance that, if there are 20 armed people around you, none of them are going to care enough to step in if you are getting mugged to deal with your attacker?

Pretty much zero. Someone is going to step in. Mugging, thus, becomes a very high-risk activity compared to the payout it represents.

Houston, Texas was -the- capital for car-jackings. It had the highest per-capita car-jacking rate in the U.S. (and quite possibly the world). Houston, then, passed a law allowing concealed carry of firearms. The incident rates for car-jackings fell to one of the lowest per-capita in the U.S., quite literally, overnight.

Why? It was now legal to carry a firearm and blow someone's head off for trying to yank you out of your car at a stoplight. Apparently, most people's cars are not worth the risk of getting one's head blown off. So car jackings fell.

However, if they possessed a something like a baton or even body armor, it would be much less frightening and smarter, wouldn't you agree? Any object can be considered a weapon if you think about it. :dunno:

No. I wouldn't.

The fact is any criminal that can obtain a firearm now has a very powerful range and speed advantage over those who would try and stop him.

Regardless - there doesn't seem to be a problem with people being armed with firearms:

"Fact: Forty states150, comprising the majority of the American population, are "right-to-carry"
states. Statistics show that in these states the crime rate fell (or did not rise) after the right-tocarry
law became active (as of July, 2006). Nine states deny or restrict the right to carry.
Fact: Crime rates involving gun owners with carry permits have consistently been about 0.02%
of all carry permit holders since Florida’s right-to-carry law started in 1988.151
Fact: After passing their concealed carry law, Florida's homicide rate fell from 36% above the
national average to 4% below, and remains below the national average (as of the last reporting
period, 2005).152
Fact: In Texas, murder rates fell 50% faster than the national average in the year after their
concealed carry law passed. Rape rates fell 93% faster in the first year after enactment, and 500% faster in the second153. Assaults fell 250% faster in the second year.154"


This is also very true, I agree. Well it's all up to the people as in the general public. Only they can sort things out I guess. Democracy is indeed a good method in politics if you know how to use it. :yeah:

It starts out good. It eventually breeds mediocrity as people are incapable of realizing just how incompetent they are regarding certain issues.

If you think about it - those at and below the 60 percentile for any given issue are making the decisions. Which is why we have a representative democracy... but that only takes so long for people to begin electing people who just say agreeable things rather than actually honor and fill the duties of the office.

Not that people would be able to tell if those individuals knew what they were talking about - but it all leads to the same place.

My friend, please read my first post correctly. What i'm trying to say is that it doesn't have to be this way. Being on the offensive will not stop conflicts. We shouldn't create illusions by going on the offensive and yet making it seem as if we're on the defensive. This is just like putting a fire out with water alone. However, the truth is that not every fire is extinguished with only water. There are other ways, like using fire retardants. Some fires get extinguished with gas, some with foam or even gel. The point being, all of them help solve the problem. I hope you get the picture bro. :rolleyes:

Honestly, it's not worth my time and effort to try and figure out how you plan to go about achieving this nonsensical goal of yours. I do not believe my -individual- security/safety is the responsibility of anyone but my own. The police are a nice idea and have their role in things - but it's not to be my bodyguard or personal security staff. Thus, it's up to me to ensure that my being and property are safe and secure.

There will, more than likely, come a time when the only way to do that is to kill someone who is trying to make the world a 'better place' by taking away means he/she deems unnecessary for the task of defending myself.

And that's just the way the world is. No judgment on their soul; no bad feelings. Their way of life was intrusive and inconsistent, and their influence was removed. Life goes on.
 

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I like your idea , I really do.

here's my thought. I love guns , I don't see them as weapons even tough they are , but I also see them as a tool. The problem is not the guns , it's the people who hide behind thier power. For example all these cases on the last couple of years of mass shootings , who was the culprit , some ex soldier who has some type of mental disorder or issue. Plus they been on some type of medication that literally takes them away from reality. The medication to deal with the mental disorder.

Here's why we have guns.... The people that founded this country found it crucial for that point in time to have guns because of the tyrannical rule of England . They did not want that to happen in America , so if something like that does happen the citizens and civilians can take thier country back from a tyrant gov't

Now lets put that in present times... Our gov't ( the US govt) is not a democratic govt ... They were checks and balances that we put on our govt but the checking and balancing stopped about 100-110 years ago. When the federal reserve took over our economic system. ( history lesson ... Same thing happened in Germany hence holocast , **** with our country , we will kill your entire race.) I would most definitely encourage ppl to have a gun , you never know when we will have to take our country back. The US is as facist as you can get , a country where not the politicians make the laws bit corporation do. You have guys walking away from senate and House of Representatives to be a CEO of a multi billion dollar corp. don't be surprised if one of our Chinese corp decide that they want someone to represent them in president cadidacy. Which means you will be seeing more ethnic backgrounds with presidents not just white and black.

Back to the guns ... They are not the only thing that can kill people ... So ok in UK the gun crime rate and death by gun is low , real low... But look at how many ppl got stabbed .... A lot more than in the US. Now look at Switzerland where everyone has to own a rifle not a gun a rifle and thier crime rate is crazzie low because if you comit a crime 100 % you're getting shot.

So for each country they have thier own rules based on what the citizens want. In UK they don't want it in US they do ...why? We don't trust our GOVT.
 

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I like your idea , I really do.

here's my thought. I love guns , I don't see them as weapons even tough they are , but I also see them as a tool. The problem is not the guns , it's the people who hide behind thier power. For example all these cases on the last couple of years of mass shootings , who was the culprit , some ex soldier who has some type of mental disorder or issue. Plus they been on some type of medication that literally takes them away from reality. The medication to deal with the mental disorder.

Here's why we have guns.... The people that founded this country found it crucial for that point in time to have guns because of the tyrannical rule of England . They did not want that to happen in America , so if something like that does happen the citizens and civilians can take thier country back from a tyrant gov't

Now lets put that in present times... Our gov't ( the US govt) is not a democratic govt ... They were checks and balances that we put on our govt but the checking and balancing stopped about 100-110 years ago. When the federal reserve took over our economic system. ( history lesson ... Same thing happened in Germany hence holocast , **** with our country , we will kill your entire race.) I would most definitely encourage ppl to have a gun , you never know when we will have to take our country back. The US is as facist as you can get , a country where not the politicians make the laws bit corporation do. You have guys walking away from senate and House of Representatives to be a CEO of a multi billion dollar corp. don't be surprised if one of our Chinese corp decide that they want someone to represent them in president cadidacy. Which means you will be seeing more ethnic backgrounds with presidents not just white and black.

Back to the guns ... They are not the only thing that can kill people ... So ok in UK the gun crime rate and death by gun is low , real low... But look at how many ppl got stabbed .... A lot more than in the US. Now look at Switzerland where everyone has to own a rifle not a gun a rifle and thier crime rate is crazzie low because if you comit a crime 100 % you're getting shot.

So for each country they have thier own rules based on what the citizens want. In UK they don't want it in US they do ...why? We don't trust our GOVT.

You are pretty much right on, however most of the mass shootings was not by Ex-Military it was by school students on some type of medication. Our "Medication" is usually worse than the problem they are suppose to fix.

In Switzerland a little under 75% of their crime comes from foreign tourists or illegals. Very few of their own people commit crimes because they know what would happen. Heres an image supporting what you said:

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I like the thought and I wish it would happen, but sadly it won't, people emphasize extremely on the 2nd amendment and fear having no weapons U_U and fight tooth and nail to keep them...
I personally feel that it would be better if weapons were prohibited
 

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In my opinion "PROTECTION" is the one and only thing where people should use weapons cuz as we all know world is not a goody goody place there are worst things to your imagination that can torture you physically and mentally and then your life get shattered broken
So weapons should be use for save someone not destroy an entire civilization:yeah:
 

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In my opinion "PROTECTION" is the one and only thing where people should use weapons cuz as we all know world is not a goody goody place there are worst things to your imagination that can torture you physically and mentally and then your life get shattered broken
So weapons should be use for save someone not destroy an entire civilization:yeah:

Civilians cannot possibly destroy a civilization, only the government has enough power to do that. When was the last time you heard about a civilian army raiding a nearby country?
 

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Idiocy.
The only way for there to be a world without weapons is a world without people.
Make laws against guns. The people will make them so they can defend their homes and their civil liberties. How would the cops enforce those laws if they had no weapons? They couldn't.
In a world without guns people would still kill each other. Try justifying a ban on hammers kitchen knives or gasoline. All basic implements people use daily that can be used to kill people.
Try banning missiles in one country. It would end up getting blown up or invaded by another.
Even without those things try stopping people from beating one another to death.
People will always need to defend themselves. Its nature. We will always fight over resources mates and territory like every other animal in the world. Only difference is we are better at it and more organized.
The people who want to ban weapons are the same imbeciles who cant stomach the fact that everything we have we took. We cut down trees and flatten the earth to build homes.
All of our food came at the expense of some animals life including vegetables.
There will always be some individuals who will try to hurt and steal from you and without a weapon you couldn't stop them.
We all want a step up on the competition. A way to make things easier for us. And all of that was achieved through weapons.
Stop thinking like Darwinism doesn't apply to you. Conflict breeds innovation and evolution. Weapons are one of the greatest examples of that. They're what let us build the world we live in. Don't like it? Go live in the woods without any tools. That's what we would end up as.

You have misunderstood my point. Please read and analyze the previous posts. *_*

It is ideal [not imo, but I see it being one to others] but idiotic to think of such a utopia.

If you remove guns, people will get them illegally. Make them, black-market it, whatever. How would you get the police to fight a man rampaging through the city with a gun if they have none? Heck, a man with a knife can do a lot of damage against the police force if the criminal doesn't fear the guns.

If a country prohibits weapons, it would be run over by another country. Prohibit nukes in the US then North Korea etc. would blow up the US. Unless somehow we can remove all weapons from the planet and the concept of them, it can't happen. In addition to that, why do it?

I believe it's one of the most wisest things anyone can think of. Atleast that person who thinks of such a utopia is full of hope and has faith that it's possible to live in a better world rather than continue living where there is an abundance of corruption and immorality. Such a utopia is possible if we have the right people working towards such a phenomenon.

Please review the earlier posts for the response to the second point your making. :yeah:

If the US didn't invent the nuke to begin with, there wouldn't be this much threats as there are today. That's why if you read the thread carefully, you can see how I am suggesting a solution by referring to Naruto and choosing Hashirama and Minato as they seem to fit well in this case. I have to admit, our only concern is the fact that it's going to be really difficult and that's merely because we should've been doing this along time ago and if it doesn't happen now, then each and every person living in this World is going to be responsible for it's destruction. :|

Those in authority have a habit of becoming corrupt with power because they are above most laws. The people that don't become corrupt are those that just live their daily lives.

Dunno if it has been outlawed but total US supplies are estimated to be able to exterminate Earth about 6 times over.... We really have a problem when it comes to safety from governments. Even giving a mass murderer a tank couldn't be as dangerous as the government and their plans for "national security".

Yup, democratically elected. He convinced the German people to burn all the books that were counter to his beliefs, then he convinced them that guns were the source of crime in Germany so he got many Germans to turn in their guns voluntarily. Then he implimented gun registration and all those with guns were suppose to register their guns or be criminals. Then he dug through medical history and disarmed anyone that he deemed "dangerous". Jews were later classified as a disease/disorder and all of them had their guns taken away then the rest of the Germans were disarmed, except for people that supported Hiter (They were armed). Then Hitler became a dictator because he had the SS, the Military, and no one could oppose him. You should know the rest... This is why everyone that is pro-second amendment is against gun registries, it allowed Hitler to commit his Genocide.



Why do you feel unsafe? The safest places in the USA have high carry rates. The most dangerous places have banned people from carrying guns. Chicago banned guns and it became more dangerous there than when Al Cappone was running the place.


The number of guns used in violence is much less than the media would make you believe:


Kansas actually keeps a list of crimes committed by people carrying concealed guns:


Although you wouldn't know this because most news networks ignored this. They want to keep you ignorant. During the same time period Austrailia banned guns and their numbers have been going up.



A gun is nothing more than a tool. I could put a gun on a table and leave it there for 10,000 years. Unless someone picks it up and pulls the trigger it will do NOTHING. A gun cannot kill anyone without a human to use it and maintain it. It is all up to the person carrying the gun what happens with it. Almost all people that carry guns have no intention to shoot you, unless you are a thief breaking into their house or threatening them or their family. They just want to keep it with them to protect themselves and maby someone else. They don't want to go to jail or kill anyone, they just want to live their lives safely like you. The only difference is they do not rely on other people with a gun (police) to protect them because they know it can take police 15 minutes to respond to anything, 15 mins almost never happens 30mins to 1 hour is about the norm for a medium sized city. Even the police don't want us to disarm US citizens and see it for what it really is:


Don't want to make this much longer.... But here is an article about Australia's gun ban, the images are from the Australian Institute of Criminology:

@Darthlawsuit and @Aim64C - Wa-oh... O_O That's alot of info man. Well thank you guys for taking your time. :yeah: But you know, I was actually thinking that there really isn't alot to say about initiating this action. :sweat: I mean, it would only be for the better and good. It would be for the justice and fairness of all people. *_* I really don't see anything wrong with prohibiting weapons for the citizens of countries. :dunno: The point here is to reduce the misuse of weapons as much as possible. Sure, it won't be easy but if people to commit to a good action such as this, then they would be considered heroes/heroines of our time and would be worthy of the greatest blessings. :)

I like your idea , I really do.

here's my thought. I love guns , I don't see them as weapons even tough they are , but I also see them as a tool. The problem is not the guns , it's the people who hide behind thier power. For example all these cases on the last couple of years of mass shootings , who was the culprit , some ex soldier who has some type of mental disorder or issue. Plus they been on some type of medication that literally takes them away from reality. The medication to deal with the mental disorder.

Here's why we have guns.... The people that founded this country found it crucial for that point in time to have guns because of the tyrannical rule of England . They did not want that to happen in America , so if something like that does happen the citizens and civilians can take thier country back from a tyrant gov't

Now lets put that in present times... Our gov't ( the US govt) is not a democratic govt ... They were checks and balances that we put on our govt but the checking and balancing stopped about 100-110 years ago. When the federal reserve took over our economic system. ( history lesson ... Same thing happened in Germany hence holocast , **** with our country , we will kill your entire race.) I would most definitely encourage ppl to have a gun , you never know when we will have to take our country back. The US is as facist as you can get , a country where not the politicians make the laws bit corporation do. You have guys walking away from senate and House of Representatives to be a CEO of a multi billion dollar corp. don't be surprised if one of our Chinese corp decide that they want someone to represent them in president cadidacy. Which means you will be seeing more ethnic backgrounds with presidents not just white and black.

Back to the guns ... They are not the only thing that can kill people ... So ok in UK the gun crime rate and death by gun is low , real low... But look at how many ppl got stabbed .... A lot more than in the US. Now look at Switzerland where everyone has to own a rifle not a gun a rifle and thier crime rate is crazzie low because if you comit a crime 100 % you're getting shot.

So for each country they have thier own rules based on what the citizens want. In UK they don't want it in US they do ...why? We don't trust our GOVT.

That was then, my friend. You are talking about history and yah I do agree with you but there isn't much danger in the present. Sorry, I mean that we don't need to invade other countries because it's pointless today. The wise thing for anyone to do is to fix and improve your own countries, regardless of where they are in the World. Today the arms are merely encouraging violence and that's why you have citizens with guns like pistols and rifles, and it ranges to all the way down to Chemical weapons and nukes that are apparently sufficient to cause enormous devastation across the World for people and the environment, if not completely eradicating all existance within an instant. U_U

It's also not just to do with weapons, but also the law plays a huge part in this matter. If the Criminal Justice Systems(CJS) are soft and lenient, then obviously the crime rates are gonna stay the same. UK is one example I can think of. There they have strict laws and regulations about the use of arms, however like you said yourself, they have high rates of crime which involve stabbing and rape. The law is responsible for that as they are too lenient rather than being strict and establishing other methods of regulating crime. You know I myself support the Death Penalty and I hope you've gotten the idea why. :yeah:

I like the thought and I wish it would happen, but sadly it won't, people emphasize extremely on the 2nd amendment and fear having no weapons U_U and fight tooth and nail to keep them...
I personally feel that it would be better if weapons were prohibited

Thank you for understanding and I'm glad you feel the same way. ;)

In my opinion "PROTECTION" is the one and only thing where people should use weapons cuz as we all know world is not a goody goody place there are worst things to your imagination that can torture you physically and mentally and then your life get shattered broken
So weapons should be use for save someone not destroy an entire civilization:yeah:

There is no need if people were living in a society where they all have good morals and understand love and respect and apply it in there lives as if they were like water.

it ahs benefits along with a list of disadvantages

Of course, just like most factors that contribute to our way of living today. :rolleyes:
 

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I'm all for it if we can first get rid of oppressive governments :)
 

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@Darthlawsuit and @Aim64C - Wa-oh... O_O That's alot of info man. Well thank you guys for taking your time. :yeah: But you know, I was actually thinking that there really isn't alot to say about initiating this action. :sweat: I mean, it would only be for the better and good. It would be for the justice and fairness of all people. *_* I really don't see anything wrong with prohibiting weapons for the citizens of countries. :dunno: The point here is to reduce the misuse of weapons as much as possible. Sure, it won't be easy but if people to commit to a good action such as this, then they would be considered heroes/heroines of our time and would be worthy of the greatest blessings. :)

You don't get it, do you?

Human beings are predators. Plain and simple. We have the instincts of a predator and brains capable of manipulating our environment. Food becomes a poison. A tool becomes a weapon.

I do not see your goal as heroic. I see it as pathetic, and dehumanizing.

It's like saying: "Surely, if we take the time now to declaw all cats and make their ears all floppy and useless for hearing, we will be regarded as heroes and great Samaritans of feline peace and equality!"

It's even more short-sighted than the campaign to eradicate small-pox.

The "reason why it is the perfect disease to eradicate" is precisely the reason why it was the worst idea to eradicate it. The disease is endemic to humans. All mammals and fowl have a pox virus associated with their species that has similar infection and case fatality statistics to human smallpox. Those viruses specifically keep the population densities of animals in check. Their spread is explosive upon finding populations that have exceeded a certain density.

And that is precisely why it's a horribly short-sighted, foolish idea to eradicate it. How much vaccine do we have for smallpox? Enough for about 100,000 people. Out of over 7 billion. Simulations have been run of smallpox transmission in today's environment using statistics from when it was around... and it's not pretty. Within a month, you're looking at around 40% of the global population infected. With a 30% case fatality rate within two to three weeks (and you can expect that to be higher).

We've created an environment in which the virus will amplify explosively. We're a feast set up and just waiting for the guest to arrive.

It is inevitable that, at some point, it (or something like it) will return. And when it does - we have ensured that our society will be defenseless and unable to stop it.

Which is precisely why the idea of "getting rid of weapons" is short-sighted and foolish.

Those with the weapons are free to kill without much in the way of retaliation.

Even if you somehow rid the world of every weapon and brainwashed ever person alive into forgetting their existence - our nature would soon rediscover them. It doesn't take much imagination to figure out that a car, driven into a person intentionally, makes a very effective weapon. Or that the degreaser used in your restaurant can be mixed with another commonly available cleaning chemical to release toxic gasses.

... Or that the fire-suppression system that depletes the air of oxygen could also be used as a weapon (albeit more limited).

The Japanese and Chinese frequently tried the whole notion of keeping citizens from carrying weapons, before the development of firearms.

The result was that martial arts became highly sophisticated, and even preferred for the ability of kinematic-manipulation to bypass armor protection (armor doesn't protect you from holds, throws, and grappling attacks targeting your joints).

Why did martial arts become more sophisticated? Out of necessity.

The 'police' or military forces of local lords didn't always have the strength to match local bandits (who were also more mobile). So, to the working individual - he had tax collectors breathing down his neck on one end (with swords), and bandits ransacking his business at the other end (with swords). However, if he and his townspeople had swords to try and defend themselves against these bandits... well... they just might turn those swords against the tax collectors. And we can't have that - so owning a sword means the tax collectors will just as quickly impale you as they will a bandit.

So - it's been tried, before. For various reasons under various contexts... but in the end - it all works out to be the same. The people who don't obey the law encounter far less risk and consequence for their actions, because police are fundamentally limited. They ravage the people who are already under strict scrutiny from their government, and are not hindered by the same restrictions.

All of this discussion is ironic, when you have an animation as your signature depicting Madara maiming and killing something in the neighborhood of four dozen people.
 

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@Darthlawsuit and @Aim64C - Wa-oh... That's alot of info man. Well thank you guys for taking your time. But you know, I was actually thinking that there really isn't alot to say about initiating this action. I mean, it would only be for the better and good. It would be for the justice and fairness of all people. I really don't see anything wrong with prohibiting weapons for the citizens of countries. The point here is to reduce the misuse of weapons as much as possible. Sure, it won't be easy but if people to commit to a good action such as this, then they would be considered heroes/heroines of our time and would be worthy of the greatest blessings.

Let me show you what some of our greatest dictators in history said about this:
"Germans who wish to use firearms should join the SS or the SA — ordinary citizens don't need guns, as their having guns doesn't serve the State" - (Heinrich Himmler)

"This year will go down in history! For the first time, a civilized nation has full gun registration! Our streets will be safer, our police more efficient, and the world will follow our lead into the future!" - (Adolf Hitler)

"All power grows out the barrel of a gun. The Party must command all the guns; that way, no guns can ever be used to command the Party." - (Mao)

"“The measures adopted to restore public order are: First of all, the elimination of the so-called subversive elements. … They were elements of disorder and subversion. On the morrow of each conflict I gave the categorical order to confiscate the largest possible number of weapons of every sort and kind. This confiscation, which continues with the utmost energy, has given satisfactory results.” - (Mussolini)
The first thing EVERY dictator does is disarm the people so they cannot oppose them once the oppression begins. Each and every time it is for "peace" and "security". Mao even said that those who control the guns control the state; so if the government controls the arms the government controls the state, if the people control the guns the people control the state. That was why we have the second amendment.

Where is the "better and the good"? The places with the most gun control have the highest crime rates. Criminals rule because the people are at their mercy and the police are corrupt or scared to oppose the criminals for their own safety. Who will protect you when you are disarmed and the police will not do anything? Or even worse, the police are knocking on your door to bring you to a "detention camp".

There is no "justice or fairness" in such a thing. Do you even know what governments have done in the past 100 years? Mass genocide, human experimentation, biological warfare, chemical warfare, massive wars, starvation, slaughter, religious persecution, etc.... The government is the last thing in the world that needs weapons, if anything we should disarm every country and arm their people. A country cannot have war without weapons of war and with an armed population no country could be invaded by another's people. Here is what the people you put so much faith in do to its own people: . No civilian could get away with that but our government got away scott free!

If you looked at my links you would know that civilians with guns are pretty harmless. 99.996% of guns in the USA are not used for crimes each year. Why are you so insistent on taking guns away from those 99.996% of people who have done no crimes. Why do you want to punish people for things they have not done? If a black man steals from a store should we arrest every black man in the city for "safety and security". Where is the "justice and fairness" in punishing people for things they have never done? Why don't we ban GANGS and hunt down the people using the guns to commit crimes? You know, punishing the people committing the crimes.

The point here is to reduce the misuse of weapons as much as possible.
Disarm the world's governments and you will reduce the misuse of power and weapons drastically. Almost won't be any misuse anymore.

"Sure, it won't be easy but if people to commit to a good action such as this, then they would be considered heroes/heroines of our time and would be worthy of the greatest blessings."
Can we disarm the Jews?
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Yeah.... I don't like repeating history. Let us not follow in Hitler's footsteps.
 
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