Why does so many think this?!

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Why does so many people think that Tobi is Obito? I mean really?! It's not possible for 4 reasons.

1. Obito was crushed by rocks on his right side and then killed by more rocks falling. So he is DEAD

2. Obito wouldn't suddenly attack the hidden leaf plus he was a kid when the fourth got attacked by tobi then. Just commen sense.

3. It plainly shows in alot of close up's of Tobi's eyes that there are wrinkles around his eye meaning he's really freaken old. Where Obito would be like Kakashi's age.

4. Lastly Obito if he did survive had only ONE eye. And while Tobi used to wear a mask showing only his right eye. In the fight against Konan he broke the rest of his mask off so that he could use Izanagi in his left eye which was also a 3t sharingan.

So I hope this erases all the doubts and ideas about Tobi being Obito. If he's anyone that's been introduced in the story he's probably Kogami(sp) Uchiha. Will not go into detail of why I think that, not what the thread is for.
 

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The 1st time i ever started questionning tobi's identity I automatically thought that it could be Obito, cose in the anime right before seeing tobi we see that chronicle of kakashi, in this chronicle we see that Obito kept his right eye(same eye tobi used) and we see similarities with their hair style.. So even if tobi isnt obito i think everyone out there(almost :D ) believed at least once that it was a great possibility.

Right now I personally don't believe tobi is obito(but i did in the past), but man come one let every1 have their own fantasies xd :uruhara:
 

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The 1st time i ever started questionning tobi's identity I automatically thought that it could be Obito, cose in the anime right before seeing tobi we see that chronicle of kakashi, in this chronicle we see that Obito kept his right eye(same eye tobi used) and we see similarities with their hair style.. So even if tobi isnt obito i think everyone out there(almost :D ) believed at least once that it was a great possibility.

Right now I personally don't believe tobi is obito(but i did in the past), but man come one let every1 have their own fantasies xd :uruhara:
I actually never thought that. Its just not possible.
 

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tobi is not obito ( probably )

my theory :
tobi use obito's sharingan and that's why his space time jutsu is similar to kakashi's kamui
 

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it is a total mystery i also thought he could of been obito but i am not sure any more any way just saying he would not of been a kid he would of been in betweenthe age of 16 - 20 years old if he was still alive.
 
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Fact: I am one of those people. Kinda...I think it's very possible that Obito's body is being used.

Note: But I don't feel like writing a wall of text atm to provide counters to your four arguments.
 
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Fact: I am one of those people. Kinda...I think it's very possible that Obito's body is being used.

Note: But I don't feel like writing a wall of text atm to provide counters to your four arguments.
No offence but I how can you? He had two sharingans Obito would have had one. He's extremely old...Obito would be Kakashi's age. Tobi fought against 4th Hokage...Obito was still just a weak kid that couldn't touch the 4th hokage. I dont see how you can counter those.
 
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Tobi fought against 4th Hokage...Obito was still just a weak kid that couldn't touch the 4th hokage.
Okay Let's see, we know that Tobi knows Madara, so if indeed it is Obito, he's had like 3-6 years of training by Madara. Remember now, Sasuke had 3 years of training with Oro, and could arguably have beaten Kakashi (Though I have no doubt that he could, just don't want to start a meaningless debate) at the finish of his training.

Now this is Madara, a mastermind. One who achieved the rinnegan, tricked the entire ninja world into believing he was dead, and even planned to be resurrected later in the future. Spending even a year with a mastermind like this could prove very beneficial for the student. Also, let's not forget that he too is a sharingan master. Obviusly so since he achieved the rinnegan. Obito is an uchiha himself, certainly this relation between the two would have a more resulting benefit than the Sasuke and Orochiramu student/teach relationship.

Another thing, what most overlook in that fight, is that Tobi used one tech, or maybe two. What I'm saying is don't judge the skill of a character based on one powerful tech. That tech is the only reason why the was able to go up against Minato, take that away from him, and it would have been the same as a "kid" Obito. He simply has a convenient ability.

In short, you can't really judge that fight with the Obito that Kakashi knew. Not when he have been a student under Madara, and had one heck of a convenient tech, and only used that one abilty throughout the entire fight.



Next, you're probably going to say: Madara was dead around this time. There's no proof of that. You know what I find strange? The edo tensei is said to resurrect you the way that you died. Yet Madara was resurrected in a young looking age. He looks the same age he did as when he fought Hashirama. Now, we know that he lived on to meet Nagato. But why doesn't he look any older? No matter how you look at it, it's odd. If Madara lived to be old, but then Kabtuo "improved" him (Though there is nothing suggesting an improvement on his age), Madara would have no doubt found it strange that he wasn't in an old body, especially since he was expecting to be brought back by Nagato.


That's another odd thing, why live to become an old man, and then desire to be brought back in that same condition. We know that Madara has planned a lot, and thought of a lot, and he knew a lot. I actually have a theory that in his dying times, he was able to transfer his "energy" or "lifeforce" somehow into Obito before he died. So that he would be resurrected in his "prime". And this transfer increased the age of Obito. I know, lots will call it farfectch, but meh xD

Anyway, who's to say how long Madara lived when he should have been dead before Nagato was even born. I don't know the age differnce between Madara and Onoki, but I do know that Onoki was in the same era as Madara, and he's still alive. And if you subtract the Naruto's age which is 16 years, and the age difference of Kakashi when he was a teen compared to when he was a kid. And you're probably gonna end up with like 20-30 years. Madara could have done it with Senju cells if Onoki could pull it off.


Anyway, that whole Madara thing was just in case you argued "There's no way Madara was alive".


He had two sharingans Obito would have had one.
For this one, when we saw two, this was after the massacre of the Uchiha Clan.

He's extremely old...Obito would be Kakashi's age.

Now we can't just take away the fact that Tobi rolls with a guy named Zetsu. Yeah you're probably saying, "Oh there he goes". Just bare with me, we know that one of Zetsu's abilities is regeneration. No matter what you cut off, he can regenerate it. We see that it appears that Tobi himself has pieces of Zetsu in him. You CAN'T just overlook this. Obviously there's a reason behind this. What else do we know that Tobi has, Senju dna? This implies that his body has been severely operated on. I mean what would happen if parts of Zetsu was to take over someone's body? No one really knows. But aging shouldn't seem too impossible when someone's body consist of so many unusual DNAs. Heck, kabuto just had the freaking sound 5 come out his body. There's already so many strange things in this manga.

And there's clearly an "aging" issue with Madara. Which I already mentioned. It basically proves that age-manipulation is indeed possible.

Obito wouldn't suddenly attack the hidden leaf
This can be countered with the fact that half of his body would have been badly damaged in the incident. He may not even remember who he was anymore. Not to mention potential brainwashing from Madara.


I know some of my points are based on assumptions. But when you view it objectively and with an open mind, you'll see there's a "possibility" that Obito's body may be involved.


Note: I also find it very interesting Kishi has decided to put Kakashi there with Naruto when Tobi may reveal his identity. Like I said, I think there's a great possibility that it will turn out to be Obito's body at least.
 
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Okay Let's see, we know that Tobi knows Madara, so if indeed it is Obito, he's had like 3-6 years of training by Madara. Remember now, Sasuke had 3 years of training with Oro, and could arguably have beaten Kakashi (Though I have no doubt that he could, just don't want to start a meaningless debate) at the finish of his training.

Now this is Madara, a mastermind. One who achieved the rinnegan, tricked the entire ninja world into believing he was dead, and even planned to be resurrected later in the future. Spending even a year with a mastermind like this could prove very beneficial for the student. Also, let's not forget that he too is a sharingan master. Obviusly so since he achieved the rinnegan. Obito is an uchiha himself, certainly this relation between the two would have a more resulting benefit than the Sasuke and Orochiramu student/teach relationship.

Another thing, what most overlook in that fight, is that Tobi used one tech, or maybe two. What I'm saying is don't judge the skill of a character based on one powerful tech. That tech is the only reason why the was able to go up against Minato, take that away from him, and it would have been the same as a "kid" Obito. He simply has a convenient ability.

In short, you can't really judge that fight with the Obito that Kakashi knew. Not when he have been a student under Madara, and had one heck of a convenient tech, and only used that one abilty throughout the entire fight.



Next, you're probably going to say: Madara was dead around this time. There's no proof of that. You know what I find strange? The edo tensei is said to resurrect you the way that you died. Yet Madara was resurrected in a young looking age. He looks the same age he did as when he fought Hashirama. Now, we know that he lived on to meet Nagato. But why doesn't he look any older? No matter how you look at it, it's odd. If Madara lived to be old, but then Kabtuo "improved" him (Though there is nothing suggesting an improvement on his age), Madara would have no doubt found it strange that he wasn't in an old body, especially since he was expecting to be brought back by Nagato.


That's another odd thing, why live to become an old man, and then desire to be brought back in that same condition. We know that Madara has planned a lot, and thought of a lot, and he knew a lot. I actually have a theory that in his dying times, he was able to transfer his "energy" or "lifeforce" somehow into Obito before he died. So that he would be resurrected in his "prime". And this transfer increased the age of Obito. I know, lots will call it farfectch, but meh xD

Anyway, who's to say how long Madara lived when he should have been dead before Nagato was even born. I don't know the age differnce between Madara and Onoki, but I do know that Onoki was in the same era as Madara, and he's still alive. And if you subtract the Naruto's age which is 16 years, and the age difference of Kakashi when he was a teen compared to when he was a kid. And you're probably gonna end up with like 20-30 years. Madara could have done it with Senju cells if Onoki could pull it off.


Anyway, that whole Madara thing was just in case you argued "There's no way Madara was alive".




For this one, when we saw two, this was after the massacre of the Uchiha Clan.




Now we can't just take away the fact that Tobi rolls with a guy named Zetsu. Yeah you're probably saying, "Oh there he goes". Just bare with me, we know that one of Zetsu's abilities is regeneration. No matter what you cut off, he can regenerate it. We see that it appears that Tobi himself has pieces of Zetsu in him. You CAN'T just overlook this. Obviously there's a reason behind this. What else do we know that Tobi has, Senju dna? This implies that his body has been severely operated on. I mean what would happen if parts of Zetsu was to take over someone's body? No one really knows. But aging shouldn't seem too impossible when someone's body consist of so many unusual DNAs. Heck, kabuto just had the freaking sound 5 come out his body. There's already so many strange things in this manga.

And there's clearly an "aging" issue with Madara. Which I already mentioned. It basically proves that age-manipulation is indeed possible.



This can be countered with the fact that half of his body would have been badly damaged in the incident. He may not even remember who he was anymore. Not to mention potential brainwashing from Madara.


I know some of my points are based on assumptions. But when you view it objectively and with an open mind, you'll see there's a "possibility" that Obito's body may be involved.


Note: I also find it very interesting Kishi has decided to put Kakashi there with Naruto when Tobi may reveal his identity. Like I said, I think there's a great possibility that it will turn out to be Obito's body at least.

ALright very compelling arguement but there is two things that I see wrong with it. When tobi attacked the 4th even if you say that strength wise he could have done it blah blah. Look at time line. Obito was still a kid. Meaning even if he did acquire the strength in power through amazing training. He'd still be...short...Where as tobi was bout the same height as minato.

Also the whole thing about Madara is you can't say that Madara lived to see Nagato. Cause tobi was the one that said that he gave nagato the rennigan. We've not seen any evidence that Madara was the one that lived past when everyone thought he died. If someone tried to argue that Madara was the one that met Nagato then you'd be argueing that Tobi really somehow is Madara.
 

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ALright very compelling arguement but there is two things that I see wrong with it. When tobi attacked the 4th even if you say that strength wise he could have done it blah blah. Look at time line. Obito was still a kid. Meaning even if he did acquire the strength in power through amazing training. He'd still be...short...Where as tobi was bout the same height as minato.

First, thanks. Now I'm not sure what you mean by still a "kid". Time passed and he would have grown. Here's an image of Kakashi's height. Note the size, it is pointless to argue over a few inches, so I hope you know what this means. It can't be said that it's "impossible" that Obito would be Minato's height. Some teens are taller than others.

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Also the whole thing about Madara is you can't say that Madara lived to see Nagato. Cause tobi was the one that said that he gave nagato the rennigan. We've not seen any evidence that Madara was the one that lived past when everyone thought he died. If someone tried to argue that Madara was the one that met Nagato then you'd be argueing that Tobi really somehow is Madara.

First, I'd like to ask are you caught up with the manga? If not, and you don't want a spoiler, then please don't continue reading this.

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Note his mention of Nagato. So how can I not say that he lived to see Nagato? Tobi is a liar, he said that "he" as Madara survived the fight against Hashirama. Saying that "he" as Madara gave Nagato the Rinnegan could very well be another lie. We know that Madara achieved the rinnegan also, so there's even a greater possibilty along with Madara's statement that he lived to see Nagato. Same here, you can't say it's "impossible" that Madara lived to see Nagato. He most likely did.
 
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First, thanks. Now I'm not sure what you mean by still a "kid". Time passed and he would have grown. Here's an image of Kakashi's height. Note the size, it is pointless to argue over a few inches, so I hope you know what this means. It can't be said that it's "impossible" that Obito would be Minato's height. Some teens are taller than others.

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First, I'd like to ask are you caught up with the manga? If not, and you don't want a spoiler, then please don't continue reading this.

Let me show you this page from the manga.

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Note his mention of Nagato. So how can I not say that he lived to see Nagato? Tobi is a liar, he said that "he" as Madara survived the fight against Hashirama. Saying that "he" as Madara gave Nagato the Rinnegan could very well be another lie. We know that Madara achieved the rinnegan also, so there's even a greater possibilty along with Madara's statement that he lived to see Nagato. Same here, you can't say it's "impossible" that Madara lived to see Nagato. He most likely did.
Ok didn't remember that part about Madara saying that nice btw. Also good point about kakashi. I wasn't sure how much time had passed from obito dieing and nine tails attack I assumed a couple of years at most. I gotta admit looking at it from those points is pretty compelling. I still dont think he's Obito but i can at least see why people would think that. THe zetsu clone thing while a good point still is kinda iffy. Usually regenartion at most would make somene younger i would think. Not make them older. But guess we'll find out soon :D
 

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Ok didn't remember that part about Madara saying that nice btw. Also good point about kakashi. I wasn't sure how much time had passed from obito dieing and nine tails attack I assumed a couple of years at most. I gotta admit looking at it from those points is pretty compelling. I still dont think he's Obito but i can at least see why people would think that. THe zetsu clone thing while a good point still is kinda iffy. Usually regenartion at most would make somene younger i would think. Not make them older. But guess we'll find out soon :D

Thanks. And well I'm glad that you at least see the possibilities. And yeah, can't wait for Tobi to reveal himself xd:D


And I don't think the points I gave are why most believe it though xd
 
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