Why does Jman beat Itatchi ?
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mikeycarps
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I love Jiraiya more than Itachi, but Jiraiya would lose to Itachi. Itachi is a genius and a master of genjutsu. While J-man's ninjutsu may be more diverse, Itachi still has Susaano and that genjutsu sword.
I mean, what do you think is more logical, saying "Neither of us could probably beat him even if together" and "This guy is a sannin we should get out of here" or "Let's get the **** out, we stand no chance against this guy". If you chose the former you probably dont' know how to convince an Akatsuki member to leave and if you chose the latter it's probably someone so weak you have to say something like that.
It's obvious Gamaguchi Shibari was a threat and they had to escape to survive, if Jiraiya really was too weak to be relevant Itachi would have said "we stand no chance", it's pretty common logic
Lol what? Jiraiya leapt hundreds of meters in a fraction of a second before his sandal touched from falling 1 inch off the ground, can see it from a mile away my ass. That speed surpasses anything Itachi has ever displayed tenfold, he's not reacting to that shit.
Well Itachi doesn't have any of those so it's good.
Re: Why does Jman beat Itachi ?
The fact of the matter still stands.
Not only does itacho praise jiraiya, kisame does
and more importantly even nagato did and nagato owns both itachi and kisame.
So put it together dude.
And no itachi ran away because he used amaerstusu and tuksimiko what ever their names are in a row. ITachi only cared about sasuke not naruto that much is obvious and he even tried to kill kahashi and asuma and kunera. when itachi found out kahashi knows about absuski.
Also didnt it occur to anyone that itachi maybe didnt have the legendary weapons in part 1? Or worse still itachi was sick he would lose if triesd to fight seriously. Obvious jiraiya was out reach for itachi for numerous reasons.
In terms ofskills jman can take care of himself, nagato can aknowledge that for u. Also the genjutsu angle is silly. Jman may not use genjutsu but hes the only person in the series that tries to break genjutsu by disupting his chakra and I dont mean like in bees case where he has a partner to to help. Also jmans sage mode is epic, he can do it all even s-rank genjutsu.
Also what are these "FEATS" itachi has over jman?
Jman almost beat nagato what did itachi ? other than get owned and needs naruto & bee to take on nagato. Jman also tanked 4 tail fox mode alot seem to forget about this despite he doesnt have haxxed moves like orocihmnaru.
And jman is very smart and if ur in denial about that, just look at this databook stats. His stats speak for itself.
Ppl overestimate itachi, they think itachi can one shot anyone with his genjutsu. Total rubbish. Genjutsu doesnt work like that, casting genjutsu is half the battle. You also need to keep someone in the illusion and jiraiya has many answers for that.
Also the black flames arent a big issue as jman can spam clones like he did against nagato. Also wasting a clone over wasting the chakra needed to cast the black flames hurts itachi alot. Also sassano can be taken cared of with jmans swamp of the underworld as we all know sassano doesnt protect the gound under u. Garra used the same tactics and almost kill madara with naruto again.
This fight is even, and jman has the edge due his chakra reserves. Dont forget itachi was sick too that mnakes things worse.
Unfortuatly theres more itachi fanboys than jman so itachi usally gets the victory based silly facts and assumptions. For example what blaze release has mentioned is prime example about jman dispite nagato prasing jman.
i bet u brag this up since itachi can use izamani right?
The fact of the matter still stands.
Not only does itacho praise jiraiya, kisame does
and more importantly even nagato did and nagato owns both itachi and kisame.
So put it together dude.
And no itachi ran away because he used amaerstusu and tuksimiko what ever their names are in a row. ITachi only cared about sasuke not naruto that much is obvious and he even tried to kill kahashi and asuma and kunera. when itachi found out kahashi knows about absuski.
Also didnt it occur to anyone that itachi maybe didnt have the legendary weapons in part 1? Or worse still itachi was sick he would lose if triesd to fight seriously. Obvious jiraiya was out reach for itachi for numerous reasons.
In terms ofskills jman can take care of himself, nagato can aknowledge that for u. Also the genjutsu angle is silly. Jman may not use genjutsu but hes the only person in the series that tries to break genjutsu by disupting his chakra and I dont mean like in bees case where he has a partner to to help. Also jmans sage mode is epic, he can do it all even s-rank genjutsu.
Also what are these "FEATS" itachi has over jman?
Jman almost beat nagato what did itachi ? other than get owned and needs naruto & bee to take on nagato. Jman also tanked 4 tail fox mode alot seem to forget about this despite he doesnt have haxxed moves like orocihmnaru.
And jman is very smart and if ur in denial about that, just look at this databook stats. His stats speak for itself.
Ppl overestimate itachi, they think itachi can one shot anyone with his genjutsu. Total rubbish. Genjutsu doesnt work like that, casting genjutsu is half the battle. You also need to keep someone in the illusion and jiraiya has many answers for that.
Also the black flames arent a big issue as jman can spam clones like he did against nagato. Also wasting a clone over wasting the chakra needed to cast the black flames hurts itachi alot. Also sassano can be taken cared of with jmans swamp of the underworld as we all know sassano doesnt protect the gound under u. Garra used the same tactics and almost kill madara with naruto again.
This fight is even, and jman has the edge due his chakra reserves. Dont forget itachi was sick too that mnakes things worse.
Unfortuatly theres more itachi fanboys than jman so itachi usally gets the victory based silly facts and assumptions. For example what blaze release has mentioned is prime example about jman dispite nagato prasing jman.
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Re: Why does Jman beat Itachi ?
1st off it feels like youre calling me a fanboy when im not, and all that writing and you arent saying much. you still havent given any solid reasons as to why he could win you just praised jman for his accomplishments which are completely irrelevant
Re: Why does Jman beat Itachi ?
And u didnt give any points why itachi could win. All I said the fight is close, and i gave examples why this fight is close. IF u wana negelect every thing jman is capable of thats ur business.
Just trying to inform u that itachi isnt a one shoting machine because he doesnt have the chakra to do that. But alot of itachi fanboys think he has unlimited chakra and his sickness makes this arguemet even more silly.
Itachi would be in sassano the whole fight jiraiya, which means itachi has a time limit where jman doesnt.
The more u realise what the factors are in this fight, the more u can understand why itachi prefered to aviod fighting jman. This fight is far from one sided but unfortuately fanboys(not u) dont wana believe it.
U know what the big problem with this is kind of thread? Just because itachi could beat orocihmaru that apparately means he also can beat Jman. Thats why most have this opinion to begin with.
my post wasnt really directed to u. it was to the general concensus of itachi fanboys replying to these kinds of threads.1st off it feels like youre calling me a fanboy when im not, and all that writing and you arent saying much. you still havent given any solid reasons as to why he could win you just praised jman for his accomplishments which are completely irrelevant
And u didnt give any points why itachi could win. All I said the fight is close, and i gave examples why this fight is close. IF u wana negelect every thing jman is capable of thats ur business.
Just trying to inform u that itachi isnt a one shoting machine because he doesnt have the chakra to do that. But alot of itachi fanboys think he has unlimited chakra and his sickness makes this arguemet even more silly.
also another thing about the sharingan and speed. Just becuase u can see an attack comiong that doesnt mean ur body will move fast enough. Thats sharingan 101 from part 1.
Itachi would be in sassano the whole fight jiraiya, which means itachi has a time limit where jman doesnt.
The more u realise what the factors are in this fight, the more u can understand why itachi prefered to aviod fighting jman. This fight is far from one sided but unfortuately fanboys(not u) dont wana believe it.
U know what the big problem with this is kind of thread? Just because itachi could beat orocihmaru that apparately means he also can beat Jman. Thats why most have this opinion to begin with.
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As psukkar(and Lee lol) said, just because the sharingan can see it doesn't mean you can react. A moved faster than the sharingan could keep up with and in turn dodged Amaterasu. Sharingan gives precog but if the opponent is that much faster it doesn't really matter much.
Lee, Naruto, A, Killer Bee are just a few of the examples of why sharingan isn't just 'free pass to dodge any attack' like you seem to think
Itachi's MS techniques are too much for Jiraiya to handle. To avoid getting hit by Tsukiyomi, Jiraiya has to at least look at Itachi's feet and when he does that, he couldn't possibly know when he's using Amaterasu and that's he wouldn't be able to counter it.
Re: Why does Jman beat Itachi ?
ill agree to disagree i guess. i never claimed and somebody would have to be a fool to think itachi could take jiraiya out in one shot. and what makes you think he would start off a fight with sasanoo?? and while this cant really be used as an argument, oro>jiraiya and im sure that oro is better with dealing with genjustu that jman is. but thats a whole other thing lol
Then it just shows A isn't all he's cracked up to be. A moved faster than he could keep up when he wanted to, and all the people I listed prove the pre-cog wrong.
As I said it's not a free pass to dodge any attack, if you can't keep up it doesn't make a difference and no sharingan is keeping up with SM Jiraiya
come on, A isnt all that ?? hes in the top 3 fastest shinobi alive at the very least ,all which have shown to have speed superior to jiraiya sage mode or not. itachi may not be as fast as sm jiraiya but my point is he isnt slow either and that with his sharigan it would make it even. if jiraiya was to beat itachi i highly doubt it would be beacuse he managed to get him with some oversized rasengan.
Baka Sennin
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Jiraiya has a lot of counters for Itachi's techniques.
Genjutsu- Ma and Pa to break him out, using clones to attract the genjutsu and counter. not to mention, the toad sages possess the strongest auditory genjutsu, which is the sharingan's weakness.
Amaterasu- clones
entering sage mode- using clones to speed up the process
susanoo- swamp of the underworld, goemon, toad gourd prison.
Jiraiya may have less feats than Itachi, but that's only because he's been shown much less. anyway, these are his feats:
- faced Itachi and Kisame. Itachi and Kisame fled
-faced Orochimaru in the 3-way sannin battle, was drugged and had a miserable performance.
-fought the 4-tailed kyuubi and survived, managed to seal off its chakra
-one-shotted konan
-defeated 3 paths of pain, escaped the 6paths and captured one, and then got killed against the 6 while trying to figure out their secret
the calibre of opponents he's faced is top tier, and he didn't fare badly at all. plus, people assume he's dumb because he's goofy like naruto, but he's no slouch in battle. his tactic against the three paths was shikamaru worthy, he quickly tricked and dispatched konan, and forced itachi and kisame to retreat.
i'm not saying that Jiraiya is better than Itachi, but he's probably equal. Kishi probably intended that, given their score in the databook, which is joint highest.
Genjutsu- Ma and Pa to break him out, using clones to attract the genjutsu and counter. not to mention, the toad sages possess the strongest auditory genjutsu, which is the sharingan's weakness.
Amaterasu- clones
entering sage mode- using clones to speed up the process
susanoo- swamp of the underworld, goemon, toad gourd prison.
Jiraiya may have less feats than Itachi, but that's only because he's been shown much less. anyway, these are his feats:
- faced Itachi and Kisame. Itachi and Kisame fled
-faced Orochimaru in the 3-way sannin battle, was drugged and had a miserable performance.
-fought the 4-tailed kyuubi and survived, managed to seal off its chakra
-one-shotted konan
-defeated 3 paths of pain, escaped the 6paths and captured one, and then got killed against the 6 while trying to figure out their secret
the calibre of opponents he's faced is top tier, and he didn't fare badly at all. plus, people assume he's dumb because he's goofy like naruto, but he's no slouch in battle. his tactic against the three paths was shikamaru worthy, he quickly tricked and dispatched konan, and forced itachi and kisame to retreat.
i'm not saying that Jiraiya is better than Itachi, but he's probably equal. Kishi probably intended that, given their score in the databook, which is joint highest.
Re: Why does Jman beat Itachi ?
see these bad assumptions im talking about.
Orocihmaru& jman defend against genjutsu in two different ways.
Orocihmaru tries to defend against genjutsu by trying to realise its a illusion, this is how genjutsu users defend against genjutsu because they are good at using genjutsu. Orocihmaru has a 5 in genjutsu in databooks so he can use genjutsu well.
Jiraiya on the hand is very different, he doesnt use genjutsu so how do these kind of shinobis defend against genjutsu?
Do u think just because u can't use genjutsu that means u cant defend against it?
Breaking genjutsu and using genjutsu arent always related particular to those dont use genjutsu. For example bee breaks all forms genjutsu easily because he is a prefect host, the tailed beast discrupts the hosts chakra. And therefore instant way to deal with any kind of genjutsu.
Jman does the same thing he even tried teaching naruto the same thing as he suspected just like almost everyone else that the fox wouldnt help naruto. Mind you jman is the only one so far that can breaks genjutsu via chakra disuption solo. Also jman being a toad sage his chakra control beats most other shinobi and this probaly the main reason why jman feels confident in disrupting his own chakra solo.
And on top of this jman can simply use clones to try and confuse itachi on what is the real jman. Kahashi fooled itachi so its very possible just with shadow clones.
Bottom line is,
orocihmaru failed because itachi is better genjutsu user than he is.
Jman on the hand doesnt need to be good in using genjutsu to break it, all he needs is high degree of chakra control which he has due to being toad sage.
U may thing itachi beats him thats cool,
but this fight is anything but one sided.
There are reasons why people fear and respect jman. Most characters in the series are well aware of jman's calbre. All the reasons i have mentioned in this thread explain why he is good against almost all kinds of shinobi.
I mean seriously he almost took down nagato when he thought there were 3 pains instead of 6 pains. Fought toe to toe with no knowledge on what the rinnegan does and did very well to the point nagato admitted he would have one if he had known there 6 pains. Comom that speaks for itself.
its increible to think that ppl still think itachi can easily beat jiraiya. its just fanboysims. Again not saying u are.
U know if itachi didnt have two legendary weapons I bet u anything there woudlnt been so much hype on itachi like he gets.
"im sure that oro is better with dealing with genjustu that jman is"
see these bad assumptions im talking about.
Orocihmaru& jman defend against genjutsu in two different ways.
Orocihmaru tries to defend against genjutsu by trying to realise its a illusion, this is how genjutsu users defend against genjutsu because they are good at using genjutsu. Orocihmaru has a 5 in genjutsu in databooks so he can use genjutsu well.
Jiraiya on the hand is very different, he doesnt use genjutsu so how do these kind of shinobis defend against genjutsu?
Do u think just because u can't use genjutsu that means u cant defend against it?
Breaking genjutsu and using genjutsu arent always related particular to those dont use genjutsu. For example bee breaks all forms genjutsu easily because he is a prefect host, the tailed beast discrupts the hosts chakra. And therefore instant way to deal with any kind of genjutsu.
Jman does the same thing he even tried teaching naruto the same thing as he suspected just like almost everyone else that the fox wouldnt help naruto. Mind you jman is the only one so far that can breaks genjutsu via chakra disuption solo. Also jman being a toad sage his chakra control beats most other shinobi and this probaly the main reason why jman feels confident in disrupting his own chakra solo.
And on top of this jman can simply use clones to try and confuse itachi on what is the real jman. Kahashi fooled itachi so its very possible just with shadow clones.
Bottom line is,
orocihmaru failed because itachi is better genjutsu user than he is.
Jman on the hand doesnt need to be good in using genjutsu to break it, all he needs is high degree of chakra control which he has due to being toad sage.
U may thing itachi beats him thats cool,
but this fight is anything but one sided.
There are reasons why people fear and respect jman. Most characters in the series are well aware of jman's calbre. All the reasons i have mentioned in this thread explain why he is good against almost all kinds of shinobi.
I mean seriously he almost took down nagato when he thought there were 3 pains instead of 6 pains. Fought toe to toe with no knowledge on what the rinnegan does and did very well to the point nagato admitted he would have one if he had known there 6 pains. Comom that speaks for itself.
its increible to think that ppl still think itachi can easily beat jiraiya. its just fanboysims. Again not saying u are.
U know if itachi didnt have two legendary weapons I bet u anything there woudlnt been so much hype on itachi like he gets.
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Re: Why does Jman beat Itachi ?
dude...like what ?? youre writing a lot without saying much. sharingan can see through clones, so the whole "using clones" argument doesnt really hold up much. and i dont even count those legendary weapons hes only used them like twice. and not to belittle jiraiya but if nagato was dead serious im sure he would have crushed him.
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Re: Why does Jman beat Itachi ?
The byukgan cant even do that or rinnegan. Anyway the clones point was just on the side i brought up regardinf how kashashi fooled itachi with it.
Its nice to see u agree as u completely ignored my main argument abotu chakra disruption. Which the by the the way is the best the way to stop genjutsu.
lol sharingan can see thorugh clones LOLOL.
The byukgan cant even do that or rinnegan. Anyway the clones point was just on the side i brought up regardinf how kashashi fooled itachi with it.
Its nice to see u agree as u completely ignored my main argument abotu chakra disruption. Which the by the the way is the best the way to stop genjutsu.