Why do you hate motives?

[chaos control]

1. That wasn't him who did it. He had no control at that point.

2. Wow, it that it?

3. Again, he didn't do that. The Shinju did.

So what? He was basically a mock version of the SO6P, they shouldn't even be worthy of being in his presence. Unless you're trying to tell me that the Rinnegan, MS, 7 complete Bijuus isn't enough?

Down to his own stupidity? Why? Why didn't he attack? Was it because him and Naruto were going back and forth whining and crying about their ideologies? Was it because instead of actually moving forward, the TNJ was beginning to take effect?

And no, I think he's a bad character because his motives were embarrassing and quite clearly, he was set up to fail by Kishi for the longest time and instead of just ending it, Kishi prolonged it and thought that we were getting some deep background depth into his character when really, we didn't.

This is a problem I have with what you're saying though (not just you, others say it too), just because you like the way something is going, doesn't mean others have to, it doesn't mean they don't understand what's going on or what the Manga is about. More often than not, the majority of the people here know what the Manga is about and what messages it's trying to convey, that doesn't mean they have to agree and like everything they see and read in the Manga.

1. It doesn't matter if he had no control. The fact is: Even if he and Naruto hadn't done all the talking before Obito got the juubi, Obito still would have had that period where he couldn't control the juubi once he became the jinchuuriki. Therefore the talking was irrelevant. Also the little black ball that I speak of was placed near Naruto, Sasuke and Minato after Minato lost his arm. Obito had control at this point.

2. About the shinju: Obito was controlling it. Hiruzen even stated that it was an extension of Obito. Therefore, the stuff that the shinju did counts as Obito's acts.

As for your argument that he didn't attack: He did attack. Don't you remember him doing stuff like slamming Naruto and Sasuke to the ground. When you asked "is that all?", you have to realize that those bombs were about to spell doom for the alliance. You can not discredit the stuff that Obito did do when trying to argue that he didn't do anything. Also, it was Obito's stupidity. Obito didn't even think to use the rinnegan or wood style even when he had the mask on long before the talk no jutsu started. Therefore, his lack of using power was a mental problem that he always possessed.

Finally, I can respect that you have a different opinion. My problem just comes in when people excessively complain. It is like no matter what Kishi does, he can not please some people.

 

[Vegeto30294]

DBZ isn't some version of War & Peace, but it does have depth.

Saying its about people beating up villains is like saying Naruto is about chasing his best friend while people are chasing him.

Obito's entire reason for fighting Naruto, and then he comes out realizing Pain was right.

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[chaos control]

DBZ isn't some version of War & Peace, but it does have depth.

Saying its about people beating up villains is like saying Naruto is about chasing his best friend while people are chasing him.

Obito's entire reason for fighting Naruto, and then he comes out realizing Pain was right.

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Be that as it may, tnj didn't actually affect anything about the battle. This is why I don't see why people hate it so much.

 

[Bantos]

I love when "evil" characters aren't actually evil. Perfect example is the Evil Queen from Once upon a time.

 

[Vegeto30294]

Be that as it may, tnj didn't actually affect anything about the battle. This is why I don't see why people hate it so much.

The battle itself no, but seeing the motive makes you view the battle in a different way.

Viewing Naruto & Friends vs. Tobi - A sense of fear and "oh crap everyone is screwed if he wins"

Viewing Naruto & Friends vs. Obito - A sense of pity and "[Person] is doing this because of [Reason] and he sounds like he's just venting his anger.

Some people would like to see more of the former or even a mix of the two.

Deidara - Humiliated by Itachi, develops a hate for Uchihas, still sounds threatening and unswayed until his final breath.

Kakuzu - A Mercenary that rips people's hearts out for a living. Does he even need feelings?

Danzo - Not explicitly evil, but still sounds threatening and had the plan to look like a totalitarian.

 

[Shadow Phantasm]

A villain can still be evil and have a motive for doing so,however it borders on the absurd that so many can be swayed by one 17 year old who has a painfully naive idea of how the world works.

 

[Xāvî1]

Cause we don't like motives