Why do you believe

[foxyladyland]

since existence is impossible to remove from reality.. I believe that god is possible ... leave the bible though..

leave religion away from reality and things that actually matter...

 

[sage22]

What makes us humans so special is that we have free will and with that we have no restrictions. Things happen because of free will. People die because other people took upon their own hands to do a terrible deed. In the bible it even says god regretted making us. There is so much chaos in this world because of our own decisions. People who killed for power and sorry to say not everyone can be saved. Someone can come in here right now and slit my throat. The only thing I can do is pray that I can get out of the situation alive whether giving an opportunity to kill the person myself. But to answer your question, life is shit because we made it like that because people make decisions without considering the consequences. In those decisions, many may suffer, but it is up to us to actually do something about it to get out of those situations. God made us, gave us free will and let us be to make the RIGHT decisions by reading the bible. Yes, I believe in the devil too, but the ideas people get are retarded. The story is that when god made earth and yada yada yada the Lucifer (satan) believe that he can be just as good or better than god. God took up on that deal and would see at the end who would be more worshipped and praised. I don't know the time limit, I wasn't there. There is no fiery hell or whatnot but thats a diff story.

Ok but the thing is god is supposed to be good all the time and he is supposed to be all powerful and all knowing. If that were true wouldn't god know all the bad things that has happen before they happen. Like why would he give Hitler a life if he knew Hitler was gonna kill all those Jews. I know no one knows the answer to this but questions like this is why I lost my faith.

If god does exist he must be unimaginable cruel and distant from us.

 

[sage22]

because the big bang theory sounds like shit.

I believe there is something that created all the beings universes, etc.

I just hope i dont go to hell

Something tell me you don't understand the big bang theory.
BTW you do know scientific theories have some evidence behind them right unlike and all powerful being who has always exist but doesn't interfere with our lives.

 

[jvega]

Ok but the thing is god is supposed to be good all the time and he is supposed to be all powerful and all knowing. If that were true wouldn't god know all the bad things that has happen before they happen. Like why would he give Hitler a life if he knew Hitler was gonna kill all those Jews. I know no one knows the answer to this but questions like this is why I lost my faith.

If god does exist he must be unimaginable cruel and distant from us.

Bad things happen to good people, happens all the time. Like I said early there are going to be people who will take it upon themselves to kill other people. Hitler, Stalin, Al Queda. etc. It is up to us try to make a good life for ourselves. Babies starve, live homeless, all the time. God can't be babying us all the time. Like parents they give us the knowledge to live on our own. God being the parent, Bible is the knowledge, Us humans trying to figure out how to live. I've thought about this before and sadly to say it's survival of the fittest. If you don't try to make a good life, like provide for you family or make bad decisions, things will not go your way. You may get drunk and die leaving your family to starve. That's not on god, thats on you. God can only help you. Is Hitler still here? No, because we did something about it. Could have been worse. Little known fact that Hitler bribed Mexico with Texas. Hitler offered Mexico Texas if they allowed their forces to go through and enter the U.S. Mexico said no. If they did, who knows how much worse things could have happened.

 

[sage22]

Bad things happen to good people, happens all the time. Like I said early there are going to be people who will take it upon themselves to kill other people. Hitler, Stalin, Al Queda. etc. It is up to us try to make a good life for ourselves. Babies starve, live homeless, all the time. God can't be babying us all the time. Like parents they give us the knowledge to live on our own. God being the parent, Bible is the knowledge, Us humans trying to figure out how to live. I've thought about this before and sadly to say it's survival of the fittest. If you don't try to make a good life, like provide for you family or make bad decisions, things will not go your way. You may get drunk and die leaving your family to starve. That's not on god, thats on you. God can only help you. Is Hitler still here? No, because we did something about it. Could have been worse. Little known fact that Hitler bribed Mexico with Texas. Hitler offered Mexico Texas if they allowed their forces to go through and enter the U.S. Mexico said no. If they did, who knows how much worse things could have happened.

All I'm saying is if he suppose to love us so much that he would sacrifice his son for us(which I still don't get he is supposed to be all powerful why does he need to make a sacrifice) how could he let these things go on. I can't even stand to see my cat go hungry. All the signs point to no god or a god that just don't care. Or at least a Christian god cuz I have studied the bible a lot. Why let someone like Hitler be born in the first place if god knows he gonna grow up to kill millions of people. The only reason I could think of is just so Hitler can go to hell afterwards.

 

[jvega]

All I'm saying is if he suppose to love us so much that he would sacrifice his son for us(which I still don't get he is supposed to be all powerful why does he need to make a sacrifice) how could he let these things go on. I can't even stand to see my cat go hungry. All the signs point to no god or a god that just don't care. Or at least a Christian god cuz I have studied the bible a lot. Why let someone like Hitler be born in the first place if god knows he gonna grow up to kill millions of people. The only reason I could think of is just so Hitler can go to hell afterwards.

Just because he can doesn't mean he will. Think, if he knew adam and eve wouldve eaten the forbidden fruit then why didn't he foresee it? He chose not to. If Hitler wouldn't have existed, I bet there would be someone else just like him that would rise. There are millions of people who would want to kill others for their own satisfaction. If god interfered all the time then we would become more dependent on him. Like a cat you feel sorry for, you feed it onces then it keeps coming back. You just wanted to feed the cat so it can still survive and have a chance, but no it stayed and now your stuck with it. We would depend on god for everything and if we didn't get what we want we would forsake him. He will judge our actions at the end. Lets say this, let say there is no god. Then that means that I went through a life being nice to people believing in someone who didn't exist. Okay, I can live with that. Now, let's say there is a god and you didn't believe in him and you tried making other people not believe in him or question his existence just because you are unhappy with the way the world is. Can you live with that? It's all up to you man, I'm just giving you my opinion on life and what it means to me. There is nothing called a happy life in THIS lifetime. Yes, god could have stopped Hitler, but there would have been a chain of people who would have thought just like him whether hitler existed or not. Just because Philo Farnsworth invented the T.V doesn't mean it wouldn't exist if he didn't. There would have been someone else down the line who would have invented it. Somethings can't be stopped, which means we have to learn from tragedies to prevent future ones.

 

[sage22]

Just because he can doesn't mean he will. Think, if he knew adam and eve wouldve eaten the forbidden fruit then why didn't he foresee it? He chose not to. If Hitler wouldn't have existed, I bet there would be someone else just like him that would rise. There are millions of people who would want to kill others for their own satisfaction. If god interfered all the time then we would become more dependent on him. Like a cat you feel sorry for, you feed it onces then it keeps coming back. You just wanted to feed the cat so it can still survive and have a chance, but no it stayed and now your stuck with it. We would depend on god for everything and if we didn't get what we want we would forsake him. He will judge our actions at the end. Lets say this, let say there is no god. Then that means that I went through a life being nice to people believing in someone who didn't exist. Okay, I can live with that. Now, let's say there is a god and you didn't believe in him and you tried making other people not believe in him or question his existence just because you are unhappy with the way the world is. Can you live with that? It's all up to you man, I'm just giving you my opinion on life and what it means to me. There is nothing called a happy life in THIS lifetime. Yes, god could have stopped Hitler, but there would have been a chain of people who would have thought just like him whether hitler existed or not. Just because Philo Farnsworth invented the T.V doesn't mean it wouldn't exist if he didn't. There would have been someone else down the line who would have invented it. Somethings can't be stopped, which means we have to learn from tragedies to prevent future ones.

You make a lot of god points and by no means am I trying to change your mind. But like I said I was always taught by my grandma , family, and preacher that god is always good and looking out and watching over us. After reading and learning of Sodom and Gomorrah I realize that's not the act of a loving person. Then I started noticing none of my prayers were being answered and my pastor told me god works in mysterious ways he doesn't give you what you want but what you need. Then he told me god only knows what we truly need so I was like whatever. After I got older I studied multiple religions only to find out about all the different gods people believe in and how many of them say that they are the one true religion. So if you ask me it seems like just the greatest fairytale ever told. All I care about is being the best person I can be and if their is a higher power that can't accept that then it can't be the type of thing I would want to associate myself with anyway.

 

[jvega]

There are many religions in the world, many of them worship the same god. It's the way they worship him that is different. There are religions that is forced on, especially in the middle east. I believe that if you are good to others, good things will happen in your favor. Doesn't mean nothing bad will ever happen. I know your not trying to change my mind, it's just the way I explain things. I hope this info was somewhat helpful to you. Sometimes you have to try and understand why things happen, analyze and adapt rather than question and give up. Like the manga, it's full of mystery and curiosity, like life.

 

[hokutoshinken]

There was a similar thread, here my post :

Few years ago i worked to Siemens.I programmed machines,robots,computors.
When i enter in an manufactory and i see some machines in movement etc...
It's probably ABB, KUKA or SIEMENS and i know that there is a programmer who programmed these machines.

All computing have as basis language a succession of 0 and 1 called binary language.
The parallel with living beings which have as language of programation the genetic codes which is a succession of A T C G the nucleaotide.Plants, animals etc... are constitued of this basis language A T G C the genetic code.

When i enter a farm or a zoo the parallel is obvious.

I ask myself who programmed these animals?

Who programmed these succesion of codes A TG C?

And i see some friends who are in ecstasy in front of some robots and machines.But they're not in ecstasy in front of a cow?An elephant trunk is a lot harder to do than a robot .

The language 010101 binar has been developped by George boole.The C Language has been developped by
Dennis Ricthie.C++ by Bjarne Stroustrup.

And the language of programation of living beings on earth A T G C ?Who invented it?
So when an engeener or programmer who tells me " God doesn't exist "
I answer him that he failed his career and that he need to do something else like fries at Mc do.

You have respect for Von Neuman the creator of computer science but no respect for the creator who created things by far more complex things than an Ipad?

Everywhere you can find God, I found God in the lines of codes i typed at SIEMENS develloping some programs in 68hc11 in assembly.Some find God in art, littérature,botanica,geology etc...
I found God in programming.

I talk to engeeners,technician which with i worked.If you're able to make a machine, who created you?Your hand is billions times more complex than the robot you can make.

RESPECT TO GOD THE GREATEST PROGRAMMER

 

[sage22]

There was a similar thread, here my post :

Few years ago i worked to Siemens.I programmed machines,robots,computors.
When i enter in an manufactory and i see some machines in movement etc...
It's probably ABB, KUKA or SIEMENS and i know that there is a programmer who programmed these machines.

All computing have as basis language a succession of 0 and 1 called binary language.
The parallel with living beings which have as language of programation the genetic codes which is a succession of A T C G the nucleaotide.Plants, animals etc... are constitued of this basis language A T G C the genetic code.

When i enter a farm or a zoo the parallel is obvious.

I ask myself who programmed these animals?

Who programmed these succesion of codes A TG C?

And i see some friends who are in ecstasy in front of some robots and machines.But they're not in ecstasy in front of a cow?An elephant trunk is a lot harder to do than a robot .

The language 010101 binar has been developped by George boole.The C Language has been developped by
Dennis Ricthie.C++ by Bjarne Stroustrup.

And the language of programation of living beings on earth A T G C ?Who invented it?
So when an engeener or programmer who tells me " God doesn't exist "
I answer him that he failed his career and that he need to do something else like fries at Mc do.

You have respect for Von Neuman the creator of computer science but no respect for the creator who created things by far more complex things than an Ipad?

Everywhere you can find God, I found God in the lines of codes i typed at SIEMENS develloping some programs in 68hc11 in assembly.Some find God in art, littérature,botanica,geology etc...
I found God in programming.

I talk to engeeners,technician which with i worked.If you're able to make a machine, who created you?Your hand is billions times more complex than the robot you can make.

RESPECT TO GOD THE GREATEST PROGRAMMER

Is English your 2nd language cause this is prett horrible.

Anyway what you just described is something called evolution. A guy name Darwin came up with it. You say everywhere you look you can find god but that is the furthest thing from the truth. Just because you think an elephant trunk is more complex than a program robot is not proof of anything except an elephant trunk is more complex than a robot..

The truth is their will never been an real evidence for god or for him not being real and here is why.
)If god is real you can't prove that he exists because he is supposed to be outside space and time.
) if god doesn't exist then of course you cant prove he's real but unfortunatly you also can disprove him because he doesn't not exist.

 

[hokutoshinken]

Is English your 2nd language cause this is prett horrible.

It is my 3rd language.

Anyway what you just described is something called evolution.A guy name Darwin came up with it.

I didn't describe evolution at all.Evolution has nothing to do with WHERE the genetic material came from, where the information it contains came from, how it arose that that information could be utilized to make a living thing, propagate itself, etc. All by random, blind chance without an intelligent source.

One thousand encyclopedias worth of INFORMATION.Try to memorizing the information in the equivalent of 1000 encyclopedias some time.Different information is needed to make up different parts of the human body.So, it takes the equivalent of 1000 encyclopedias worth of information to construct a human body. But, of course, encyclopedias make themselves without any SOURCE of information, so we should have no problem believing that the human body made itself, also...

You say everywhere you look you can find god but that is the furthest thing from the truth. Just because you think an elephant trunk is more complex than a program robot is not proof of anything except an elephant trunk is more complex than a robot..

Building blocks don't build themselves.If something looks designed, and if it's complex, it doesn't take a horde of scientists to prove to me (with peer reviewed papers) that it didn't make itself that way with no outside direction and input.I think for MYSELF, i'll never let the "experts" do my thinking for me.

The truth is their will never been an real evidence for god or for him not being real and here is why.
)If god is real you can't prove that he exists because he is supposed to be outside space and time.
) if god doesn't exist then of course you cant prove he's real but unfortunatly you also can disprove him because he doesn't not exist.

Nor there will never been a real evidence that nothing, turned into everything with no direction, purpose, or intelligence. There are only two possibilities: a Creator did it, or blind chance did it.Both are faith beliefs.
I don't know many things that are the product of random processes that “appear to be designed” They may appear to be DESTROYED, but certainly not designed.

By the way i respect everyone's choice, everyone is free to believe in what they want.

 

[sage22]

]It is my 3rd language[/B].



I didn't describe evolution at all.Evolution has nothing to do with WHERE the genetic material came from, where the information it contains came from, how it arose that that information could be utilized to make a living thing, propagate itself, etc. All by random, blind chance without an intelligent source.

One thousand encyclopedias worth of INFORMATION.Try to memorizing the information in the equivalent of 1000 encyclopedias some time.Different information is needed to make up different parts of the human body.So, it takes the equivalent of 1000 encyclopedias worth of information to construct a human body. But, of course, encyclopedias make themselves without any SOURCE of information, so we should have no problem believing that the human body made itself, also...



Building blocks don't build themselves.If something looks designed, and if it's complex, it doesn't take a horde of scientists to prove to me (with peer reviewed papers) that it didn't make itself that way with no outside direction and input.I think for MYSELF, i'll never let the "experts" do my thinking for me.



Nor there will never been a real evidence that nothing, turned into everything with no direction, purpose, or intelligence. There are only two possibilities: a Creator did it, or blind chance did it.Both are faith beliefs.
I don't know many things that are the product of random processes that “appear to be designed” They may appear to be DESTROYED, but certainly not designed.

By the way i respect everyone's choice, everyone is free to believe in what they want.

I have to give you props for learning 3 languages its very impressive. I have tried to learn Spanish and Tagalog and I only barely know the basics.

But anyway I respect your choice of belief but I find it very hard to believe in a deity and even harder to believe one that would take the time to interfere with our lives especially when their is no evidence of a deity.

 

[Strawberry]

im not sure if god exists but if it does he does not meddle in the affairs of man, i mean how many good people have prayed and how many got shat on... how many were raped how many burned alive how many taken by war, how many watched their families suffer, how many lost what they worked entire lives for. Many were good men many prayed many didnt recieve gods help, If god exists he doesnt interfere with us, and if he does i dont want to pray to such a god, god will accept me knowing i am good, and helpful, dont do wrong, not based on how much i pray and so forth

 

[sage22]

im not sure if god exists but if it does he does not meddle in the affairs of man, i mean how many good people have prayed and how many got shat on... how many were raped how many burned alive how many taken by war, how many watched their families suffer, how many lost what they worked entire lives for. Many were good men many prayed many didnt recieve gods help, If god exists he doesnt interfere with us, and if he does i dont want to pray to such a god, god will accept me knowing i am good, and helpful, dont do wrong, not based on how much i pray and so forth

Exactly f god does exist he is doing a horrible job of helping and watching over us.

 

[Aim64C]

If you Believe in a god can you please tell me why? Is it because of some bible or because of how you were raise? Or is it because you need something to believe in

I've always been interested in how things work. It didn't matter what it was. Everything has a process - an order to its chaos.

I've studied a wide range of sciences and browsed published experiment after published experiment. There are people with more specified knowledge out there - but few command such a broad base of knowledge and information as I do. Even if others were to view the same information I have - a very, very small portion would be able to actually recall that information spontaneously. Hence why I use the word "command."

I believe in a higher process - a higher order to the universe. "God" - if you will. Many religions have personified it. Many religions have left it ambiguous or divided its constituents up into individual personalities... But I simply believe there is far, far more to this experience than what smacks us in the face.

Exactly what it is - I can only guess at.

Some people 'worship' their concept of God through prayer or adherence to some traditions. I do so through science. I believe that the process responsible for this universe is the same process responsible for life - and ultimately, our intelligence. The purpose of this process is to increase our understanding of the experience we have and to make better use of it - possibly to the point of being a sort of 'god' in and of ourselves.

I'll admit to having tendencies leaning toward Christianity (as that is my upbringing and a large portion of my community) - but I believe that the current church has largely lost sight of the divine and drifted into being almost entirely a human institution; entertaining and useful for the community it can bring... but useless when they start trying to determine what afterlife various peoples will meet.

 

[Aim64C]

Exactly f god does exist he is doing a horrible job of helping and watching over us.

Sometimes... I'm not so sure this is a good way of looking at things.

"Bad things happened to me! God, why didn't you stop them!?"

It's like a five year old getting upset with their parents for not stopping them from riding their bike and breaking their arm.

If humans truly have free will - then God -is- limited in actions involving human affairs. Just like parents are limited in what they can do to protect their children while still allowing them to have a life.

I suppose you could lock a kid up in a padded closet to make sure they don't get hurt... but that tends to be socially unacceptable.

It's a silly rationale, and a horribly limited perspective.

For the sake of argument; it could be that we're effectively complaining to our parents about not preventing bad things from happening to their character in a video game, or blaming them for the events in a dream.

Honestly - I like to say that the 'human intervention factor' of God is a sort of bias on the mechanics of the universe. It's not a hard-stop, heavy-hand that interjects in situations; but a simple skewing of odds that shifts things along a better course over time.

But, that's me. Some people will swear up and down that God has saved them in some miraculous way. Others will cite a hundred tragic incidents that God 'should have prevented.'

I adopt the philosophy that I should try to keep my eye open for various signs and opportunities. If I notice a trend in my environment - I'm going to take it as a sign of sorts. I, also, take my instincts into account. Those have all saved me from having a story about a calamity several times.

 

[Decimation206]

I do not believe... However I used to from the age of 4-13 I would say from there I began questioning it. I mean there is no proof the bible is the thing that makes claims so therefore cannot constitute as proof. I saw nothing but answers in the real world. So after a while I considered myself an atheist. It just became another Santa Clause story to me.

 

[FuChomei]

I was raised christian but am now Atheist. I used to believe because "I'll burn in hell" but now I realize how silly that was.

 

[Amantius]

I Believe in god, he is very much real as time itself. This is the very reasons, mistakes I've made, I do my best to correct them and make amends. With the help of god i stay away from ignorance, and i know if i pray hard enough he answers and always listening.

 

[Mitarashi]

I believe in power. Nothing more, nothing less.