Why do Uchiha fans think that full Kurama is a real upgrade?

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If this was Dragon Ball then you would be correct. However, let's say that we have a fat hobo who sits and eats donuts 24/7 and knows no jutsus, but for whatever reason he has Kaguya level chakara reserves.

Tell me: Is he strong or is he fodder?

Your question depends on how powerful the quantity of chakra is.

Ordinary Kaguya level chakra? Pretty strong, but not her level.

Six Paths Chakra on Kaguya's level? God tier.
 

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Full Kurama doesn't really make a difference against most shinobi because half Kurama alone fodderizes most! Also like I said, full Kurama grants no new abilities! It is just more chakara.

Base Sasuke you say? Sasuke is hardly ever in base these days. Base Sasuke is Sasuke with no dojutsu active. Even 3T sharingan disqualifies it from being base Sasuke since it grants the precognition amongst other things.

@Bold: Itachi's eyes are an outside powerup. Sasuke wasn't born with those.

You talk about what you hate about the Naruto fanbase. Well, what I hate about the Uchiha fanbase is that they haughtily chastise every non-Uchiha whose power may not have been entirely trained for, yet Uchihas are handed like 80 - 90% of their massive power on a silver platter just by being a certain race and feeling emotional pain! Uchihas don't work for that crap! It is all genetic! What does Madara even have that doesn't come from some KKG or some rikudou related thing that he got from the juubi? He has katon, shadow clone jutsu, and maybe a few supplementary things like that puppet master seal that he put on Obito's heart or that Uchiha return jutsu that he used with the war fan. That is about it! Look at Madara's jutsu list on the wiki and tell me how many non genetic/ non rikudou things you see on that list? You'll find like 5 things at best out of an extensive list of jutsu!

Same goes for Obito! Like 90% of his fighting throughout the series was based on Kamui, which is once again, due to a KKG that he did not train for! Then there was controlling bijuus/ the mazou, and using wood style, all of which are abilities that stem from genetic traits!

Those who are handed everything by genes have no right to chastise others for doing stuff like eating chakara fruit!

Naruto's intense trouble fighting Shin? Naruto never even fought Shin (unless you are talking ab kid Shin). Naruto was just standing there watching Sasuke fight Shin. There is no way that Naruto could have predicted that Shin would be able to telekinetically move Sasuke's sword from his hand into Naruto's body. How then can it be said that Naruto had intense trouble fighting Shin or was outperformed by Sakura when Naruto never even fought Shin?

Lmao. Don't be serious.


Kurama's Chakra is definitely a power-up. More than anything Madara, Obito, Itachi, Sasuke have recieved.

You know, Kurama is nothing but the Strongest Bijuu in his existence Bar Juubi Right?

You do are aware of the fact that Half Kurama>>>> All Bijuus power Combined Right?

Yet you're here arguing Kurama is everything but not a powerup, lmao.

And, lmao. Kurama is not just 'chakra' as you like seperating it to make a fair case for Naruto.

It's 'chakra' have special properties. It increases inner healing, reflexes, foot speed, physical power, Amplify each and everyonne of his Jutsu, increasing physical energy/stamina, plus the fact it is stronger and much versatile than anything anyone in Narutoverse has.

Sharingan only increases perception; if your body can't react to it; it's useless. You act like precognition in any sense; means >>>> speed, which is thoroughly wrong; which means said Uchiha had to train like Lee; to achieve said speed/ increase a bodily stat.

Copying is useless when said Sharingan user can't use said technique/doesn't possess the ability to do so. So another ability of Sharingan which depends on chakra stat/body stat. Which means training.

Sasuke is one of the prodigious shinobi; he had the skill at using ameno; since as per kyuubi sasuke couldnt use many other powers because he hasn't 'learned' it; which means all Sharingan techniques can only be used if the castor's power correlates with said techniques. Best example'd be Kakashi; he didn't have a Mangekyou in Part 1, yet he didn't use Kamui flawlessly after attaining it either. He missed his mark with Deidara; which improved and reached Kaguya level towards the end of series. Sasuke couldn't use Kagutsuchi during his matchup with Killer Bee and only until Summit arc. You've to train to master Sharingan and Mangekyou which gives you access to thier abilities.

Whereas Kyuubi? Not really. You've to gain control; yes; but that doesn't mean he doesn't gain it's benefits without controlling it. He gained said benefit vs Neji. He gained said benefit Vs Oro. Without having control over it.
Not to mention lee with nine tails chakra blitzed Madara. Imagine how much Naruto gained when a fractionally powered base lee could accomplish such a feat.

Naruto admitted Shin Kid had Good reflexes enough to stall him. Said shin is weaker than Adult Shin.

Which is why it is leagues above and that's why it's considered 'asspull'.
 

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It’s access to almost double the existing chakra he had, considering how much of a chakra tank he was before, he’d theoretically never run out chakra now. It’s a hell of a lot of chakra to have, that’s no understatement. That being said, it is JUST that, more of what he already had

@Bold: Bingo! That is exactly what I'm saying! If this was Dragon Ball (as depicted in your avatar and sig), then that would be great! However, power in Naruto is not generally about quantity of chakara. It is about quality of techniques.
 

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Your question depends on how powerful the quantity of chakra is.

Ordinary Kaguya level chakra? Pretty strong, but not her level.

Six Paths Chakra on Kaguya's level? God tier.

Regardless of whether it is six paths chakara or regular chakara, how would he be strong if he had no techniques? Like what would he do (by the way, we are assuming this person has no taijutsu/weapons skill as well)?
 

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@Bold: Bingo! That is exactly what I'm saying! If this was Dragon Ball (as depicted in your avatar and sig), then that would be great! However, power in Naruto is not generally about quantity of chakara. It is about quality of techniques.

Except in narutos case it is. His main jutsus can be amped based on chakra reserves alone, this makes it quite a buff, although it’s not like they’ll ever depict it as such
 

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Except in narutos case it is. His main jutsus can be amped based on chakra reserves alone, this makes it quite a buff, although it’s not like they’ll ever depict it as such

Yeah, Naruto's jutsus can be amped up, but I'm saying that most high tier opponents that Naruto faces won't be defeated just by launching powerful energy balls at them. Look at Kaguya and Momoshiki for example. They could both just absorb like 95% of Naruto's arsenal, and in Momoshiki's case he could actually launch it back at Naruto. Even earlier opponents like Obito could still screw Naruto over by doing stuff like phasing through his bijuudama explosions and then kamui sniping Naruto.

Heck, in Boruto we are starting to get into the realm of time freezing (ie. Momoshiki's spirit freezing time or Urashiki's palace of the Dragon King). Sure, the time freezing hasn't been fully weaponized in a full on battle yet, but at this rate it is in the realm of possibility. If and when it does become weaponized in a full on battle, what the heck is Naruto with his bijuu bombs going to do against that?!

I'm not saying that Kurama is weak, but starting from late war arc and going forward, rasengan/bijuudama is becoming less and less viable for defeating opponents. More and more opponents can do things with absorption, spacetime, instakill attacks like ash bone, powerful genjutsu like infinite tsukuyomi, and more, that a plain chakara tank just won't suffice against.

Naruto needs some versatility.
 
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