[Discussion] Why do ppl think kaido is weaker then shanks ?

[24 12 11 to troll]

I thought that you are one of those guys who thinks that Dragon is the current strongest character in OP but I guess i was wrong.

I do? That's got nothing to do with the debate about the true meaning of Kaidou's epithet.

 

[Uzumaki Macho]

I do? That's got nothing to do with the debate about the true meaning of Kaidou's epithet.

Yes it does, if Kaido's title includes humans, then that would mean Kaido>Dragon.

 

[Punk Hazard]

It clears up everything if u take the words of marines literally. Shanks fought him according to marines and It was Shanks who reached MF but not Kaido which means that Shanks was the winner and Shanks was clearly unharmed.




Lol,What? Where did this came from? Has anyone stated that the news was fake? If the news was a fake then why didn't Kaido appeared at MF? Do u have any proof that suggests this point. or Are u just guessing this?


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We have a manga panel that suggests otherwise so I have no reason to believe that his title includes humans.





I thought that you are one of those guys who thinks that Dragon is the current strongest character in OP but I guess i was wrong.

You still don't understand the difference between the two statements.

One is a vague statement, without actual proof, made by one person. It's speculation. Basically, the truth behind the statement isn't well established, nor is it well supported. For one, an Admiral level fight took ten days. Rookie Ace lasted in a fight for five days. Clearly, a Yonko level fight will take longer than a single day. Secondly, Shanks showed up uninjured, if he fought a Yonko seriously, he'd have quite a bit of injuries. The signs point that Shanks and Kaido didn't actually fight, and if they did, it may have been a minor clash like what happened with his visit to Whitebeard.

An epithet on the other hand, isn't like this statement whatsoever. An epithet is based on several events that have happened over time, and say something about the person in them. Kaido didn't just randomly get the name, nor is it speculation, people gave him the name because he proved he can have it. That statement by the Marine compared to Kaido's epithet is like comparing the statement ¨Bob and his wife argued, he may have hit her¨ and ¨Bob works in politics.¨ One is based on multiple observations and facts, and one is speculation without real proof.

There is no manga panel that suggests that Kaido's epithet doesn't include human beings. Nami's statement could just as easily be interpreted as ¨His title distinguishes him from humans¨ as ¨His title excludes humans.¨ No statements or events in the manga support either one, so for now, we're down to the what creatures mean, and its meaning includes humans, so for now, the statement includes humans until there is something that irrefutably shows otherwise.

 

[A v i]

You still don't understand the difference between the two statements.

One is a vague statement, without actual proof, made by one person. It's speculation.

Your total argument is invalid unless u can prove me that the statement was just an assumption or speculation. I'd rather stick with actual manga statement.
What if Kaido was scared to fight Shanks as he knew that he'd lose against him and quit the battle which is why battle didn't lasted much longer? Or may be Kaido is too weak to even clash with Shanks. Admirals and Yonko are not same as they weren't portrayed to be close in terms of strength.

What is super obvious for me is that Shanks succeeded to achieve his goal where as Kaido failed because of Shanks.

Btw,If marines statement is a false news then what exactly makes u think that Law's words about Kaido are reliable and accurate?

As u said Nami's words are to indicate that he's not a human and it could also indicate that he's the strongest among non humans as the word in his title is often used for non humans. Once again I am not saying this totally because of Nami's statement. I am saying this because there are characters that should be stronger than him for the sake of plot(At least Dragon for me.) so I am merely using Nami's words as a back up.

I do? That's got nothing to do with the debate about the true meaning of Kaidou's epithet.

It clearly has something to do with this argument if think about it carefully.

Kaido > Dragon,Akainu,Shanks,Mihawk,Aokiji,BB,Fuji and Kizaru according to literal meaning of his title.

 

[Punk Hazard]

Your total argument is invalid unless u can prove me that the statement was just an assumption or speculation. I'd rather stick with actual manga statement.
What if Kaido was scared to fight Shanks as he knew that he'd lose against him and quit the battle which is why battle didn't lasted much longer? Or may be Kaido is too weak to even clash with Shanks. Admirals and Yonko are not same as they weren't portrayed to be close in terms of strength.

What is super obvious for me is that Shanks succeeded to achieve his goal where as Kaido failed because of Shanks.

Btw,If marines statement is a false news then what exactly makes u think that Law's words about Kaido are reliable and accurate?



It clearly has something to do with this argument if think about it carefully.

Kaido > Dragon,Akainu,Shanks,Mihawk,Aokiji,BB,Fuji and Kizaru according to literal meaning of his title.

Defending speculation with speculation, that's a bold move, Cotton.

Because, as I've said, that was a statement made by one person who wasn't there about one event that hasn't had full disclosure, and epithets are built upon by multiple events seen by many people over time.

You have no proof that it's not, while the fact that Akagami was completely uninjured and the fight couldn't have happened in a day is proof that the Marine's word isn't.

 

[A v i]

Defending speculation with speculation, that's a bold move, Cotton.

The thing is,You are saying that it was a speculation without actually proving that it was a speculation which is funny.hmm

Because, as I've said, that was a statement made by one person who wasn't there about one event that hasn't had full disclosure, and epithets are built upon by multiple events seen by many people over time.

Please,What if he was not there? I don't care about it unless u can prove me that it was false statement with manga proof. Everything happened out there clearly proves that his statement was true. If his statement was wrong then where is Kadio? & what happened to taking out WB's head?

You have no proof that it's not, while the fact that Akagami was completely uninjured and the fight couldn't have happened in a day is proof that the Marine's word isn't.

Before saying that I have no proof, Do u have any proof that suggests otherwise? I have a manga statement, Shanks being uninjured and stopping Kaido as my back ups. Now,what can u provide to say that I am wrong?

Funny thing is the guy who said that he'd stick with actual meanings is using his guess as an argument now.hmm

 

[Punk Hazard]

The thing is,You are saying that it was a speculation without actually proving that it was a speculation which is funny.hmm



Please,What if he was not there? I don't care about it unless u can prove me that it was false statement with manga proof. Everything happened out there clearly proves that his statement was true. If his statement was wrong then where is Kadio? & what happened to taking out WB's head?



Before saying that I have no proof, Do u have any proof that suggests otherwise? I have a manga statement, Shanks being uninjured and stopping Kaido as my back ups. Now,what can u provide to say that I am wrong?

Funny thing is the guy who said that he'd stick with actual meanings is using his guess as an argument now.hmm

That's pretty rich. Proof Kaido was scared? Proof they actually fought all out? Proof it even got violent?

I have already shown why the statement is not very credible. Lack of injuries, the fact that the battle only took a day, all evidence that they could not have fought. Admiral level battles took 10 days, two average Warlord level opponents took five days, following the pattern, a Yonko battle would surely be higher. Him not being there means his word isn't very credible. There is no proof that Akagami and Kaido actually fought, there is no proof that Akagami defeated Kaido in a fight, there is no proof that Kaido was scared of Akagami, besides one non-credible statement from a fodder.

Laẃ's statement is more credible because a name like that had to have been built up over time with multiple feats, and it's not just Law, it's an established title.

You use actual meanings in credible statements. You have yet to do so.

 

[A v i]

That's pretty rich. Proof Kaido was scared? Proof they actually fought all out? Proof it even got violent?

Lmao, What manga have u been reading? If any of those things didn't happened then where was Kaido back then?hmm

I have marine statement with me and u have none. Zzz

I have already shown why the statement is not very credible.

No, u didn't.

Lack of injuries, the fact that the battle only took a day, all evidence that they could not have fought.

I have already said that what if Kaido is toooweak to even injure Shanks?

Btw, weren't u the guy who said that cleaning can make injuries disappear and that's why we can't see any signs of injuries on Fuji? in Sabo vs Fujitora debate?

What if the same thing happened here?

Admiral level battles took 10 days, two average Warlord level opponents took five days, following the pattern, a Yonko battle would surely be higher. Him not being there means his word isn't very credible. There is no proof that Akagami and Kaido actually fought, there is no proof that Akagami defeated Kaido in a fight, there is no proof that Kaido was scared of Akagami, besides one non-credible statement from a fodder.

The fact that Kaido didn't reached MF is more than enough proof and I have already explained why admirals are different from Yonko and Yonko's weren't portrayed to be near equals like admirals.

Laẃ's statement is more credible because a name like that had to have been built up over time with multiple feats, and it's not just Law, it's an established title.

Where are those feats? and How can u say that the it was well established?

 

[Bogard]

I have already said that what if Kaido is toooweak to even injure Shanks?

Judging by how close the yonkou and admirals are portrayed to be, this is impossible

 

[A v i]

Judging by how close the yonkou and admirals are portrayed to be, this is impossible

Sorry but I don't remember Yonko's being portrayed to be on the same level and having same title does not automatically means that they are close in terms of strength. Look at Mihawk and Jimbe for example.

 

[Bogard]

Sorry but I don't remember Yonko's being portrayed to be on the same level and having same title does not automatically means that they are close in terms of strength. Look at Mihawk and Jimbe for example.

They are on the same general level. There are obviously stronger and weaker ones among them, but generally they are portrayed to be on the same level besides for healthy Whitebeard maybe

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[A v i]

They are on the same general level. There are obviously stronger and weaker ones among them, but generally they are portrayed to be on the same level besides for healthy Whitebeard maybe

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It won't prove that their individual strengths are on same general level. all those statements just proves that they have similar status which is same as war loards.

 

[Bogard]

It won't prove that their individual strengths are on same general level. all those statements just proves that they have similar status which is same as war loards.

Re-read the first link. Law said they fought over the throne. That shows a comparable level

 

[A v i]

Re-read the first link. Law said they fought over the throne. That shows a comparable level

Nothing says anything about who fought who & I don't think battles for thrones means that they fought one on one.

 

[24 12 11 to troll]

Your total argument is invalid unless u can prove me that the statement was just an assumption or speculation. I'd rather stick with actual manga statement.
What if Kaido was scared to fight Shanks as he knew that he'd lose against him and quit the battle which is why battle didn't lasted much longer? Or may be Kaido is too weak to even clash with Shanks. Admirals and Yonko are not same as they weren't portrayed to be close in terms of strength.

What is super obvious for me is that Shanks succeeded to achieve his goal where as Kaido failed because of Shanks.

Btw,If marines statement is a false news then what exactly makes u think that Law's words about Kaido are reliable and accurate?

As u said Nami's words are to indicate that he's not a human and it could also indicate that he's the strongest among non humans as the word in his title is often used for non humans. Once again I am not saying this totally because of Nami's statement. I am saying this because there are characters that should be stronger than him for the sake of plot(At least Dragon for me.) so I am merely using Nami's words as a back up.








It clearly has something to do with this argument if think about it carefully.

Kaido > Dragon,Akainu,Shanks,Mihawk,Aokiji,BB,Fuji and Kizaru according to literal meaning of his title.

Kaidou (and the other Yonkou) are all stronger than the Admirals except from Blackbeard who probably matches them in strength.

Since Dragon is always in the shadows I doubt the World knows his level of strength and therefore don't call him the worlds strongest. Simple really, when you actually think about it, sir.

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[juju15]

Anybody who thinks Shanks can no diff a Youkou is ****ing retarded.

 

[Joseph Gomes]

If Shanks is stronger than Kaido, the difference should be negligible. No yonko can mid-diff another yonko, let alone low-diff
Prime Whitebeard is the only exception

 

[NarutoWA]

I smell BS.

Going by the hypes, Shanks is the strongest character in the manga at present. Who the hell is Kaido. Noone has seen any1 of them fight. But what we've got to believe are the hypes.

Whitebeard was said to be the strongest. and we all believe it. We haven't even seen Kaido or Big Mom fight?? Maybe they are??

 

[Joseph Gomes]

I smell BS.

Going by the hypes, Shanks is the strongest character in the manga at present. Who the hell is Kaido. Noone has seen any1 of them fight. But what we've got to believe are the hypes.

Whitebeard was said to be the strongest. and we all believe it. We haven't even seen Kaido or Big Mom fight?? Maybe they are??

By hype Dragon > Shanks

 

[Punk Hazard]

I smell BS.

Going by the hypes, Shanks is the strongest character in the manga at present. Who the hell is Kaido. Noone has seen any1 of them fight. But what we've got to believe are the hypes.

Whitebeard was said to be the strongest. and we all believe it. We haven't even seen Kaido or Big Mom fight?? Maybe they are??

Kaido has the hype of being the strongest living creature. Last I checked, Shanks is a living creature.