[Discussion] Why do ppl think kaido is weaker then shanks ?

[24 12 11 to troll]

1. Kaido and Big Mom are set up as enemies in the new arc/saga, that alone likely say that they are probably weaker than Shanks, who still will not show his full power. WB on the other hand was know as "Strongest Man in the World", he was defeated earlier in the series, but he was old geezer so that's nothing weird.

They haven't been set up as enemies. Just because they're the only two Yonkou to be heavily involved since the timeskip doesn't pit them as enemies. Shanks not showing his full power means f*ck all. We haven't seen most characters full power, including Kaidou and Big Mom.

2. Shanks is Luffy's "mentor", or whatever to call it. Defeating Kaido would be next step being closer to Shanks + being "mentor" of main character is very important thing.

You really think Luffy will defeat Kaidou on his own? I call bullshit. Either Blackbeard (and his entire crew, in an 11 vs 1)will kill Kaidou and take his fruit (so Blackbeard has the strongest of each categoric class of fruit) or Luffy+Law (+Drake, potentially) will fight him in a 2(or 3) vs 1, by this point in the Manga, Law and Luffy will be way stronger than they are now, potentially being on Doffy's level individually.

Shanks won't be killed off till later for multiple reasons in terms of story progression, returning the hat etc. nothing to do with strength. As you said earlier, the strongest Yonkou died first. So clearly power has nothing to do with the order in which they are defeated or killed off.

3. When Shanks arrived at MF, he was without a scratch, these two likely didn't fought, but just the case that Kaido didn't destroy Shanks and come to MF, to me say who is superior.

You just contradicted yourself. He clearly didn't fight Kaidou. There is no way two Yonkou can clash without injuries in that short a time. If they did fight then Kaidou wouldn't be worthy of his position as Yonkou. He's called the worlds strongest beast for a reason (a title which encompasses ALL living things).

4. WB was known as "Strongest Man in the World", Shanks clashed pretty good with him. Kaido is known as "Strongest Creature in the World", since he has "Creature" and not "Man", it mean that he is inferior to WB, and Shanks clashed pretty good with him.

That clash is not worth mentioning since it lasted about 1 second. 1 clash of blades. Hardly a fight. Men are creatures, hence the title encompasses all living things. He was inferior to a former Whitebeard, it's not clear when Kaidou earnt this title. But Kaidou looked pretty confident about killing Whitebeard. He was stopped by Shanks; probably through a business deal. Kaidou clearly operates and relies on the underworld to support his wealth.

 

[Olorin]

Kaido is stronger. The first main antagonist reason to say he isn't isn't a good one considering that Shanks will be killed off-panel by Blackbeard. The only yonkou Luffy will likely fight are Kaido and Blackbeard, Kaido in group to become stronger and Blackbeard in solo. Even Big Mom will likely become an ally if anything
Minato was Naruto's idol, but Hashirama was stronger than him

Why sre you comparing One Pice and Naruto?

So you also agree that Roger=sage>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>everyone in OPV?


Narutonhas sh?? Power scaling, part 1 Hiruzen was weaker than part 2 no name shinobj noone cares about (that's how bad the consistency of power levels is there, by the end Jiraiya was a fodder and that's just stupid) not to mention it's A WHOLE OTHER SERIES!!

 

[Forbidden Tale]

Because like opening poster said, even if he won, he would have probably been in too much a pitful condition to step forward in his goal in eliminating Whitebeard. They are too close in strength enough for him not to decide to attack 2 yonkou crews one after the other. It would have been stupid for him to continue the fight. Anyone afterward could have taken advantage of the situation to kill him. Besides, how do you know Shanks has a small crew? It's not like we know the entirety of Shanks' army or allies

Shanks 12 years ago had relative small crew, not really small, but don't seems even near a number of 500.

There were Marines already in the war with WB... Even if he didn't want to attack another crew after that, why he didn't just kill Shanks and than back to his corner, instead of retreating?

Kaido is the strongest creature in the world. Therefore, Kaido>Shanks.

Creature, which likely apply to Zoan.

They haven't been set up as enemies. Just because they're the only two Yonkou to be heavily involved since the timeskip doesn't pit them as enemies. Shanks not showing his full power means f*ck all. We haven't seen most characters full power, including Kaidou and Big Mom.

He was. That's point of Law/Luffy's alliance. It mean that Kaido will show his power sooner than Shanks.

You really think Luffy will defeat Kaidou on his own? I call bullshit. Either Blackbeard (and his entire crew, in an 11 vs 1)will kill Kaidou and take his fruit (so Blackbeard has the strongest of each categoric class of fruit) or Luffy+Law (+Drake, potentially) will fight him in a 2(or 3) vs 1, by this point in the Manga, Law and Luffy will be way stronger than they are now, potentially being on Doffy's level individually.

I never said that he will defeat him alone. I said "Defeating", but i didn't said after which condition. Either way, my point here stands, Kaido will be taked down before Shanks.

That's just a theory, thougt.

Shanks won't be killed off till later for multiple reasons in terms of story progression, returning the hat etc. nothing to do with strength. As you said earlier, the strongest Yonkou died first. So clearly power has nothing to do with the order in which they are defeated or killed off.

I already explained it. Strongest Yonko was from the previous generation of pirates, he needed to day, for a new age of piracy to start.

You just contradicted yourself. He clearly didn't fight Kaidou. There is no way two Yonkou can clash without injuries in that short a time. If they did fight then Kaidou wouldn't be worthy of his position as Yonkou. He's called the worlds strongest beast for a reason (a title which encompasses ALL living things).

See my reply to T Bogard and Zeta42. Beast mean Zoan and not all living things.

That clash is not worth mentioning since it lasted about 1 second. 1 clash of blades. Hardly a fight. Men are creatures, hence the title encompasses all living things. He was inferior to a former Whitebeard, it's not clear when Kaidou earnt this title. But Kaidou looked pretty confident about killing Whitebeard. He was stopped by Shanks; probably through a business deal. Kaidou clearly operates and relies on the underworld to support his wealth.

That's something calling portrayal.

If he is strongest of all living things, he would had title "Strongest Man in the World", not "Creature".

As I said, business deal, if he was stronger, why not killing Shanks there and taking his Gold/Islands and all the latter wanted to give him.

 

[24 12 11 to troll]

He was. That's point of Law/Luffy's alliance. It mean that Kaido will show his power sooner than Shanks.

Whitebeard demonstrated his power, does that mean that Bartolomeo > Whitebeard because we only saw Bartolomeo's power after Whitebears? No. Powerscaling has no link to chronology.

I never said that he will defeat him alone. I said "Defeating", but i didn't said after which condition. Either way, my point here stands, Kaido will be taked down before Shanks.

But the only character you mentioned was Luffy, I apologize for misunderstanding your grammatical shortcomings. Whitebeard was taken down before Rebecca, does that mean Rebecca > Whitebeard? No. Because characters defeats have no relation to chronology

I already explained it. Strongest Yonko was from the previous generation of pirates, he needed to day, for a new age of piracy to start.

How is this relevant?

See my reply to T Bogard and Zeta42. Beast mean Zoan and not all living things.

A beast is a creature, humans are creatures. Nuff said.

That's something calling portrayal.

If he is strongest of all living things, he would had title "Strongest Man in the World", not "Creature".

Mihawk could be the strongest man in the world (strongest swordsman > shanks (whom is a swordsman) and yet, he isn't called the strongest man in the world when Sakazuki mentions him back in chapter 703 or whenever it was.

As I said, business deal, if he was stronger, why not killing Shanks there and taking his Gold/Islands and all the latter wanted to give him.

Because he could've been given a sweet deal? Simple really. Why would you kill a temporary influencial business partner if it gives you a great advantage?

 

[Uzumaki Macho]

Whitebeard demonstrated his power, does that mean that Bartolomeo > Whitebeard because we only saw Bartolomeo's power after Whitebears? No. Powerscaling has no link to chronology.

But the only character you mentioned was Luffy, I apologize for misunderstanding your grammatical shortcomings. Whitebeard was taken down before Rebecca, does that mean Rebecca > Whitebeard? No. Because characters defeats have no relation to chronology

How is this relevant?


A beast is a creature, humans are creatures. Nuff said.

Mihawk could be the strongest man in the world (strongest swordsman > shanks (whom is a swordsman) and yet, he isn't called the strongest man in the world when Sakazuki mentions him back in chapter 703 or whenever it was.


Because he could've been given a sweet deal? Simple really. Why would you kill a temporary influencial business partner if it gives you a great advantage?

So Kaido>WB then? His title obviously means he is the strongest Zoan in the world.

 

[Hexuze]

-Surpassing Shanks & his crew is one of Luffy's goals so by plot he's going to be strong.
-Shanks seeing as a haki master, more specifically a master of CoC. We can assume the full extent of CoC in combat would be pretty powerful seeing how some the admirals were surprised when Luffy used it and it's seen as a rare power. I like shon93's theory on what CoC can do.
-Shanks clashed with WB, who was using both his hands and obviously Shanks was using one. More importantly, this caused the sky to split in half which BB needed the strongest DF to pull that feat. whereas Shanks/WB did that casually. It was a clash of CoC most likely.
-Shanks scared off BB and even BB admitted he was unable to fight Shanks as of yet even when he was on his power high.

IMO Shanks is the strongest person in the OPverse atm or at least Dragon ties with him at the #1 spot.

 

[Red Swag]

So DD being scared of Kaido, who can barely keep up with Fujitora, is somehow equal to someone who clashed with Akainu and WB? Makes no sense.

how is doffy barely keeping up with fujitora?

 

[SSS12]

Because from the looks of things, Kaido will be taken down by the Luffy Alliance before Shanks. Shanks will be one of the last two old Yonko remaining. Generally, from what we've seen, the major antagonists of the straw hats keep getting stronger (Kuro-Don Krieg-Arlong-Smoker-Crocodile and so on). Of course there are exceptions, but more often than not, this holds true for the major antagonist of an arc that Luffy faces off against and defeats. Enel could be an exception since Luffy had a natural advantage against him. Others like Kuma, Aokiji were only minor antagonists (not even strictly antagonists).
Even if Shanks doesn't get taken down by Luffy but by someone else much later after Kaido, you'll see that Shanks is the stronger of the two. Then there are other reasons stated by others above, most prominently that Luffy's main motivation is to have a crew that surpasses Shanks and to be a greater pirate than Red-Hair. Of course none of this concludes 100% that Shanks > Kaido, but it's certainly much more likely.

 

[Gintõki1]

By hype and the fact that Shanks is the one that Luffy looks up the most and most likely will be the last Yonko he has to surpass.

That's why most of the people think Shanks>Kaido.
But who really knows what Oda will come up with.

 

[VongolaX]

It's because of Kaidou's personality.

He's a ruthless warrior that can't be reasoned with.

For Shanks to stop him and send him back is a very high feat.

Not a single supernova mentioned that they are going after Shanks, not even in Ace's time did he want to mess with Shanks.

 

[Punk Hazard]

It's because of Kaidou's personality.

He's a ruthless warrior that can't be reasoned with.

For Shanks to stop him and send him back is a very high feat.

Not a single supernova mentioned that they are going after Shanks, not even in Ace's time did he want to mess with Shanks.

Luffy did though

 

[VongolaX]

Luffy did though

He said he wanted to take out all of them, he didn't specifically go after Shanks.

Shank told him to meet him when he's stronger so that doesn't count.

So don't bring that up

 

[keshav31]

We will know this when time come so don't think too much because we neither see shank's haki & we don't see kaido in series till now.So wait for right moment

 

[Punk Hazard]

He said he wanted to take out all of them, he didn't specifically go after Shanks.

Shank told him to meet him when he's stronger so that doesn't count.

So don't bring that up

Which includes Shanks, so yeah, at least one Supernova does plan to go after him.

Meet him=/=defeat him. Ace met Luffy at Alabasta. Moriah met Kuma in his castle. Shanks met Whitebeard at the Moby ****. I don't recall anyone being defeated at any of those meetings.

 

[Bogard]

It's because of Kaidou's personality.

He's a ruthless warrior that can't be reasoned with.

For Shanks to stop him and send him back is a very high feat.

Not a single supernova mentioned that they are going after Shanks, not even in Ace's time did he want to mess with Shanks.

You don't even know who Kid/Hawkins/Apoo alliance are going after yet

 

[Mephew D Kensei]

Bcoz Shanky can convince Kaido to backdown then and also entirety of MF to do so too, I mean he literally said "u want some come get some(or sit back down and b still)" and everyone did the latter.

Even is Shanky later gets killed or whatever other unfortunate turn of events there is nothing to take away the sway, pull and charisma he showed by making all those stubborn/adamant pple do it his way, that for now trumps 'we all r yonko so we r even'.

 

[VongolaX]

You don't even know who Kid/Hawkins/Apoo alliance are going after yet

Kidd is after big mam, he's attack her ship a couple of times.

Hawkins and Apoo are allies, so their most likely going after Mam again.

Trust me, no one is targeting Shanks head.

 

[Punk Hazard]

Kidd is after big mam, he's attack her ship a couple of times.

Hawkins and Apoo are allies, so their most likely going after Mam again.

Trust me, no one is targeting Shanks head.

Except Luffy. Luffy is.

And oh, to further the fact that Shanks didn't mean fighting when he said ¨come and meet me¨, he didn't go and give Luffy back the straw hat himself because that would break their promise. If Shanks or Luffy had meant fighting, it'd have been fine for him to see Luffy at Marineford.

 

[Bogard]

Kidd is after big mam, he's attack her ship a couple of times.

Hawkins and Apoo are allies, so their most likely going after Mam again.

Trust me, no one is targeting Shanks head.

If it was that obvious, Oda would not make such a mystery about it. He maybe attacked Big Mam's ship because it was on the way of something he desired and judging by how fearless Kid is, he could have attacked it just for the sake of it. Not necessarly mean it's his target. Not saying it's impossible to be the case, but you never know

 

[ultraChalk]

Because Shanks is Mihawks rival.