Why do people treat all rasengan variants as the same jutsu?

[chaos control]

Kirin is a giraffe...... a lightning based based attack in which the user gathers the power from the sky and uses his Lighting affinity to control it.

Water dragon? Fire dragon? Are you serious? Those are affinities, not justus. Just like using Lava or Magnet.

Also, you didn't see the Lava or Magnet Rasengans being created because they just appeared, Kishi didn't show how it was formed, but he did reveal the name of it and Rasen was in there.

If those techniques were grouped, they'd all be under the Rasengan catagory.

When rasenshuriken is formed, you often actually see the pure chakara sphere and you can see the wind being added to it. Lava and magnet had cores of lava and magnet release (not pure chakara).

Water dragon and fire dragon are jutsus. They even say, "suiton: water dragon jutsu".

It doesn't matter if two jutsus are named similarly or have the same shape. If they are made from different things and have different effects then they are different jutsus.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

First of all your comparison sucks. A gun and a water gun function on different principals(principles?)
A better comparison is a water gun and a hose since the only difference there like with half of naruto's tech's is output.

Rasengan= doesn't need titles like Cho,odama,cho odama, etc since the only difference between the three I mentioned is the amount of chakra that is outputted.

Same goes for every other tech he sticks a=cho/odama etc to.

Same goes for him making clones. 2000 clone combo isn't a jutsu, it's just 2000 clones. Yet he does stupid crap like that and ppl claim it to be otherwise.

 

[chaos control]

Well i explained it to you, water gun only gets the "gun" name cuz it mimicks the real one. Lazer gun dont even exist yet dont throw in fanfics.
Guns are firearms that traditionally use gunpowder technology to propel projectile everything else is not a gun but may get a gun name due to similar appearance and objective.

All rasengans are similar no matter the size chakra or taste its still same spinning ball of chakra with blades or not thrown or slammed and even share same name among it's variations.
So just get over it cuz you're wrong and defending some silly point to make naruto look better.

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^^^definition of "gun". It is not just pure bullets.

Laser guns do exist, they have been built by individual people. They are just not public.

Different effect = different jutsu.

 

[chaos control]

First of all your comparison sucks. A gun and a water gun function on different principals(principles?)
A better comparison is a water gun and a hose since the only difference there like with half of naruto's tech's is output.

Rasengan= doesn't need titles like Cho,odama,cho odama, etc since the only difference between the three I mentioned is the amount of chakra that is outputted.

Same goes for every other tech he sticks a=cho/odama etc to.

Same goes for him making clones. 2000 clone combo isn't a jutsu, it's just 2000 clones. Yet he does stupid crap like that and ppl claim it to be otherwise.

What about magnet's sealing properties or truth seeking ball's ninjutsu negating properties, or lava's burning properties? These are clearly not the same as chou oodama rasengan.

 

[Raekwon26]

When rasenshuriken is formed, you often actually see the pure chakara sphere and you can see the wind being added to it. Lava and magnet had cores of lava and magnet release (not pure chakara).

Water dragon and fire dragon are jutsus. They even say, "suiton: water dragon jutsu".

It doesn't matter if two jutsus are named similarly or have the same shape. If they are made from different things and have different effects then they are different jutsus.

Again, you didn't see it form. So it's an assumption, but it still doesn't deter my point.

Again, the affinities is what made the water and fire drangon justu different. There is no such thing as just dragon jutsu. A smarter comparison you could of made would be Chidori and see how many ways Sasuke is able to manipulate it and make variants of it.
Just like Lava and Magnet and the the Rasenshuriken.
An AFFINITY was added to the RASENGAN to make it the Rasengan perform differently, it didn't destroy the original propoerties of the Rasengan, it added to it.

Finally, Your last line is nonsense. Adding affinites to justus makes it a variant of the original.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

What about magnet's sealing properties or truth seeking ball's ninjutsu negating properties, or lava's burning properties? These are clearly not the same as chou oodama rasengan.

But if he does=senpo cho odama (stick base jutsu here) then it's the same just different outputs

 

[chaos control]

But if he does=senpo cho odama (stick base jutsu here) then it's the same just different outputs

I am talking about all rasengan variants here because that is what people are ridiculing (not just the pure chakara versions).

 

[shelke]

1. I never even mentioned Sasuke before now.

2. Tell me in what ways Sasuke has been so much more strategic. He surely hasn't been holding his own against Kaguya while Naruto has been using his strategy in order to hold his own. It is not like he was so strategic against Madara. Naruto was the one who came up with the plan to save everyone from the tailed beast bombs, to extract the bijuus from Obito and who figured out that senjutsu was the weakness in the battle against Obito. Itachi came up with the plan and held the fort down against Kabuto. Really, Sasuke's last real display of "cleverness" was against Danzo.

3. A technique shows versatility for different situations when it comes with different effects. Only someone who can not seem to properly analyze a technique can't see that.

- You don't have to, but I am creating an example regardless.

- The first strategy Naruto used was 'Harem no Jutsu' and it was borderline embarrassing. Sauske let him use it, and when he decided to formulate a proper strategy, BZ separated them. So, I am not sure how is this even relevant. Naruto is not holding his own against anyone, as it's NOW that Kaguya has decided to kill Naruto. Keep this very ... very important factor in mind. Before this, she was hardly even taking them seriously.

- Seriously? Natural Energy was used and he saw that it worked? Sure, whatever you say. Bijuu extraction from Obito ... was strategy? Please tell me you are joking. False, it was not all Itachi. I suggest you reread the fight again. The information about snakes, Kidomaru's webs, and quick thinking to save Itachi, more than once. Let's not get totally carried away. Heck, Madara was impressed with Sasuke's strategy. Can't say the same for Naruto.

- I have no idea what are you even talking about here.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

I am talking about all rasengan variants here because that is what people are ridiculing (not just the pure chakara versions).

I'm guessing you didn't understand what I meant by "base jutsu here"

Any tech that has an affinity added to it becomes a base technique. I.e. wind rasengan/frs/yrs. Changing the size doesn't make it any different from the original.

 

[Madara Uzumaki Uchiha]

People saying naruto should not use rasengan or it's Varients are unrealistic.

It's nonsense.

Naruto has practically mastered the rasengan, he feels comfortable with it, it
Works, why would he use something else? My point is that why should naruto learn weaker Justu, why
Learn other futon Justu, futon rasenshuriken is the strongest etc.....

Wind bullets? Lol, why would he ever use those over a rasenshuriken?

Ie
if your a master of sniping with a barret 50 cal, why use a different kind of sniper?

Name me a elemental Justu that naruto would logically benefit from having. ( other than a raiton Justu since he hasnot shown to have that affinity)

If you want naruto to have more Justu, logically give a example
Of a Justu worth learning. The only example I know of is the exploding clone Justu or sealing/barrier techniques
His rasengans can do everything else.

At this point in the manga, naruto has specialized in rasengans and kage bunshin. It's what he is good at. There is no logical reason for him to learn other elemental Justu ( except raiton)

 

[Michael]

Nope Sasukes power belongs to him

All chakra in NV belongs to Godtree/Kaguya, in essence everyone in NV has "Borrowed Power".

#Deal with it

 

[Dantee]

All chakra in NV belongs to Godtree/Kaguya, in essence everyone in NV has "Borrowed Power".

#Deal with it

I dont remember anyone asking kaguya for chakra. Only naruto uses borrowed strength

 

[Michael]

I dont remember anyone asking kaguya for chakra. Only naruto uses borrowed strength

No one asked, they were born with it. Just as Naruto didn't have a say in becoming a jinchuriki and sasuke being born an uchihoe. The same logic applies here.

#Deal with it

 

[Aomine Daiki]

because they are all, versions of rasengan. othervise they would not have the word rasen or rasengan in them >_>

 

[Tarinth]

I agree with the premise that all different variations are different jutsu. Beyond
a similar shape, all of the jutsu have different effects and sizes. I can understand
why people may find it boring because the tactics in which Naruto uses these
jutsu can be a bit repetitive, but they are clearly different jutsu. Before when
someone said that at the end of the day, a water gun is the same as a rifle because
they're all guns, you might as well say that every human is the same exact person.
Saying all rasengan variations are the same jutsu is like saying that any of you
are the same person as me. However, people want to see new styles altogether,
which makes sense, like wanting to see different animals rather than only different
humans.