Why do people think Obito had a lame excuse for becoming a villain?

[BigBlade Master]

Lol, it's not a lame excuse, ( he probably love Rin more than his familly) xd

 

[OnPoint]

Because some people don't like to look at the bigger picture. It's usually those who are basking in their own ignorance who continually use the 'omg, I cant belive its bcuz Rin died, thats soo lame'. People need to recognize the circumstances surrounding Obito's fall from grace and understand why it's not surprising that he's ended up like he has.

Rin, and to an extent, Kakashi, meant the world to Obito. He was willing to die for these people. One of the more intrinsically stupid arguments is "Many people have suffered losses in this manga, but they didn't lose their damn minds". This is the weakest argument. Pain is subjective. It doesn't exist objectively. You can't say 'this is how much pain someone will suffer if they lose this particular person'. For some, losing their dad would be very damaging emotionally. For others, it wouldn't mean shit. How can you compare different people's pain? You can't. It's pretty evident that Rin meant that much to Obito - her death was enough to open his eyes to reality. A dying wish rendered meaningless by his best mate. If that's not enough to distort the view of an orphaned (presumed) war child then I don't know what is.

Then there's the role of Madara. It's Madara's words which Obito remembered when he held Rin. If Madara had never planted those ideas (of creating a perfect reality) into Obito's head, the latter would've never chosen the path he ended up taking. He's fought in a time of war. He's seen death. He has even carried out the ultimate sacrifice. He, despite his age, has actually experienced the most darkest corners of reality; so why is it surprising to find that he feels he needs to address these flaws? Uchiha Madara has given him the 'answer'. What kind of fool would he be to turn his back on such a 'win-win' outcome? He's young. He's in a confused state. Traumatised. He has no-one to turn to except the man who saved his life (his Sensei is away, and his best pal has 'betrayed' him). I can't believe people think it'd be normal for him to just laugh it off and make his own way back to Konoha under these circumstances.

Obito is Naruto's parallel. We saw that even someone as stubborn as Naruto could be led astray by words when experiencing the loss of a friend. The only difference was he had people to support him [

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]. Who did Obito have to help him? No-one. That is the point of the Naruto/Obito story line. How they could be so similar in youth but how a series of unfortunate events could easily knock them off course. The only thing I would say about the situation is that it wasn't fleshed out enough. It would've been better to see more of team Minato as a group of friends, so that we could get a better feel for their bond. That aside, I feel that it was pretty well done on Kishi's part.

 

[YellowFlash1]

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[Jphu8414]

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So many haters on this thread, my boy Obito is one of the most badass, cool, calm, and collected characters in the entire narutoverse

 

[MadaIzuBros1224]

At first, I found Obito's reason to turn evil rather dumb, but it is a lot more than just Rin dying.

 

[Goddess Leone]

To put it simply without letting my ass do too much of the talking it's because obito uchiha is a whiny BITCH and he should thank his lucky stars that he has a jutsu which makes him untouchable and he can phase through people and objects and to be honest if i must say that jutsu suits him cause he's a cry baby who used to get his ass kicked easily and he still would if he never awakened his sharingan and gained that ability.

P.S i'd also like to add that if obito never had that ability to materialise and de-materialise shikamaru could strangle him to death with his shadow strangle jutsu.

Yeah so true his reason is so dumb. I hope he said his reason for turning evil(Rin dying) is just to get into Kakashi's head and it isn't the real reason hopefully.

 

[mikeeozua]

Because some people don't like to look at the bigger picture. It's usually those who are basking in their own ignorance who continually use the 'omg, I cant belive its bcuz Rin died, thats soo lame'. People need to recognize the circumstances surrounding Obito's fall from grace and understand why it's not surprising that he's ended up like he has.

Rin, and to an extent, Kakashi, meant the world to Obito. He was willing to die for these people. One of the more intrinsically stupid arguments is "Many people have suffered losses in this manga, but they didn't lose their damn minds". This is the weakest argument. Pain is subjective. It doesn't exist objectively. You can't say 'this is how much pain someone will suffer if they lose this particular person'. For some, losing their dad would be very damaging emotionally. For others, it wouldn't mean shit. How can you compare different people's pain? You can't. It's pretty evident that Rin meant that much to Obito - her death was enough to open his eyes to reality. A dying wish rendered meaningless by his best mate. If that's not enough to distort the view of an orphaned (presumed) war child then I don't know what is.

Then there's the role of Madara. It's Madara's words which Obito remembered when he held Rin. If Madara had never planted those ideas (of creating a perfect reality) into Obito's head, the latter would've never chosen the path he ended up taking. He's fought in a time of war. He's seen death. He has even carried out the ultimate sacrifice. He, despite his age, has actually experienced the most darkest corners of reality; so why is it surprising to find that he feels he needs to address these flaws? Uchiha Madara has given him the 'answer'. What kind of fool would he be to turn his back on such a 'win-win' outcome? He's young. He's in a confused state. Traumatised. He has no-one to turn to except the man who saved his life (his Sensei is away, and his best pal has 'betrayed' him). I can't believe people think it'd be normal for him to just laugh it off and make his own way back to Konoha under these circumstances.

Obito is Naruto's parallel. We saw that even someone as stubborn as Naruto could be led astray by words when experiencing the loss of a friend. The only difference was he had people to support him [

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]. Who did Obito have to help him? No-one. That is the point of the Naruto/Obito story line. How they could be so similar in youth but how a series of unfortunate events could easily knock them off course. The only thing I would say about the situation is that it wasn't fleshed out enough. It would've been better to see more of team Minato as a group of friends, so that we could get a better feel for their bond. That aside, I feel that it was pretty well done on Kishi's part.

Agree with this guy

 

[FourthLegacy]

Well if it wasn't for that naruto would never be the naruto today ;D

 

[Tartarus]

Yeah so true his reason is so dumb. I hope he said his reason for turning evil(Rin dying) is just to get into Kakashi's head and it isn't the real reason hopefully.

If you actually analyzed the situation you would have seen that there was more than just Rin. By that same oversimplifying I can just say: Nagato only turned evil cuz some guy died.

 

[Tartarus]

Because some people don't like to look at the bigger picture. It's usually those who are basking in their own ignorance who continually use the 'omg, I cant belive its bcuz Rin died, thats soo lame'. People need to recognize the circumstances surrounding Obito's fall from grace and understand why it's not surprising that he's ended up like he has.

Rin, and to an extent, Kakashi, meant the world to Obito. He was willing to die for these people. One of the more intrinsically stupid arguments is "Many people have suffered losses in this manga, but they didn't lose their damn minds". This is the weakest argument. Pain is subjective. It doesn't exist objectively. You can't say 'this is how much pain someone will suffer if they lose this particular person'. For some, losing their dad would be very damaging emotionally. For others, it wouldn't mean shit. How can you compare different people's pain? You can't. It's pretty evident that Rin meant that much to Obito - her death was enough to open his eyes to reality. A dying wish rendered meaningless by his best mate. If that's not enough to distort the view of an orphaned (presumed) war child then I don't know what is.

Then there's the role of Madara. It's Madara's words which Obito remembered when he held Rin. If Madara had never planted those ideas (of creating a perfect reality) into Obito's head, the latter would've never chosen the path he ended up taking. He's fought in a time of war. He's seen death. He has even carried out the ultimate sacrifice. He, despite his age, has actually experienced the most darkest corners of reality; so why is it surprising to find that he feels he needs to address these flaws? Uchiha Madara has given him the 'answer'. What kind of fool would he be to turn his back on such a 'win-win' outcome? He's young. He's in a confused state. Traumatised. He has no-one to turn to except the man who saved his life (his Sensei is away, and his best pal has 'betrayed' him). I can't believe people think it'd be normal for him to just laugh it off and make his own way back to Konoha under these circumstances.

Obito is Naruto's parallel. We saw that even someone as stubborn as Naruto could be led astray by words when experiencing the loss of a friend. The only difference was he had people to support him [

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]. Who did Obito have to help him? No-one. That is the point of the Naruto/Obito story line. How they could be so similar in youth but how a series of unfortunate events could easily knock them off course. The only thing I would say about the situation is that it wasn't fleshed out enough. It would've been better to see more of team Minato as a group of friends, so that we could get a better feel for their bond. That aside, I feel that it was pretty well done on Kishi's part.

Firstly, they hate him because the were wrong about who was behind the mask. Next, people with an IQ lower than 70 say it is stupid because of the infamous, "you let Rin die." Apparently, they haven't seen the chapter that explained this. Lets look it over:

He sacrificed himself to save Rin and Kakashi, mostly Kakashi, getting crushed by a rock. Thinking he was going to die, gave his eye to his best friend so he could protect the girl he loved. Miraculously he survived, but is in bad shape. Despite this he trains his new body so he can see his friends again. When they finally meet, he see's the one he sacrificed his life to protect, Kakashi, driving a chidori through the chest of the one he loved, when his last dying wish was for Kakashi to protect Rin and gave him his eye for this purpose. "Those who disobey the rules are scum, but those who turn their backs on their friends are worse than scum", must have been what crossed his mind as he say this treachery. Of course there is more to this as well, since we don't know Kakashi's reasons and Kirigakure's involvement.

Then you have the half assed jeering canards. Apparently it is stupid of Obito to mourn for Rin because she did not love him back. She was only one girl so he should just get over it. He shouldn't want to end the world for her sake. This is apathy at its depraved finest. People don't suffer when someone who loves them dies. At worst they don't care at best the feel bad. You suffer when you loved the person, not the other way around. Obito and Rin could have even had a relationship together if she lived longer.

Then there is all of Obito's supposed murders. All of this when we consider that people kill in the Narutoverse indiscriminately. Obito doing it is not acceptable however. Hypocrisy as well. Senju, the supposed most loving clan, would kill an infant if it had a sword and would gladly send their children to die a meaningless death, yet people worship the ground they walk on. The protagonists have all killed their fair share of people. The fandom needs to realize that these people are ninja, assassins, and murderers for hire. Obito killing is not a good enough reason to hate him.

Some just genuinely don't like his character. You can't like everybody.

^Intelligence of Obito fans

obito's just mad cause kakashi got to touch rin's boobs and he didn't

Idk about that man.......think about how you would feel if someone killed your 12 year old-no ass or tits gf

^Intelligence of Obito haters

I think we know who has the better argument

 

[NarutoDKurosaki]

It confuses me how some people thinking Obito becoming a villain because of Rin's death is lame but the possibility of Oro becoming a villain possibly because of his parents death is acceptable.

First you must look at what Rin meant to Obito. Obito was in love with Rin and she was the only person in the world that he felt even cared about him so losing the one person that you feel acknowledges that you even exist would be hard to except. So just like losing your parents at a young age would have the same effect on you emotionally as losing the one person that you truly care about. You'll live a life full of loneliness and feel the need to look for someone or something to change that.

Finding something to change that is where Oro and Obito have some similarities. Oro looked to edo and experimenting on finding a way to make people close to invincible in order stop deaths and extended the lives of other and is willing to do anything in order to gain that ability which was what made him a villain. Obito turned to the eye of the moon plan in order to bring back loved ones of everybody and prevent the deaths from ever happening again and is willing to do anything in order to achieve his goal. So both Oro and Obito have the same goal in mind and for the same reason, the loss of a loved one.

Now on to the someone is where Oro and Obito has it's differences. Oro had Hiruzen to comfort him and take him in after his tragic loss and good friends in Tsunade and Jiraya but it still wasn't enough to keep him from going down that path. Obito had only Madara to turn to after losing the person he love to the hands of the only other person he considered a friend. So Madara to advantage of that point of weakness and could have possibly been the cause of it all in order to convince him that the only way to make all his pain go away is to follow him and help him complete his plans. So think of a child who has just lost everything how difficult do you think it would be for someone like Madara to persuade them to see things his way if he told that child he could bring it all back and make it even better then before. When a person is at there lowest point there mind is weak enough to be persuade in doing some very evil things in order to make there life better. Just look at real life terrorist bombers, they don't get people who are living a good life they go after those that are poor, lost love ones, lonely, those that are at there lowest point in life with the promise that if they do that task they would be rewarded greatly in the after life. So this idea is something that actually happens in real life.

So my point is if you feel Oro has a valid reason for becoming evil Obito has just as much if not more of a reason once you look at things as a whole and not just the one small portion of just the fact that Rin died.

This is why. Obito became on of the most notorious terrorists in the history of naruto. First he was responsible for the slaughter of several Kiri shinobi, summoned the nine tails in konoha causing great destruction, killing tons, and if it wasn't for him, the first hokage and his spouse would no have died. He is partly responsible for the formation of the terrorist group, the akatsuki. The akatsuki killed hundreds as a group. Obito gave the order that annihilated konoha. Obito started the WWIV, killing over 40,000. Obito was part of the reason the Uchiha were slaughtered. Obito revieved the juubi, killing several more. Obito's goal, is to control the world, turn everyone into mindless zombies and take away what makes them human. But why all of this you ask? His crush died. Does this justify anything at all. No matter how you put it, it does not nearly compensate for everythings he's done. In real life, if a loved one is killed, most of the time, you move on. My dad was murdered when I was seven, I didn't turn into a terrorist/serial killer. It is so beyond ridiculous, and that is why Obito had a lame excuse for becoming a villain. Nagato had the only past, where I can understand why he became a villain. But not with Obito, his crush died.

 

[Hydro Spiral]

It's not because he's a villain, it's because the scale and number of his crimes is completely ludicrous when you put it next to his loss