Why do people think Obito had a lame excuse for becoming a villain?

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It confuses me how some people thinking Obito becoming a villain because of Rin's death is lame but the possibility of Oro becoming a villain possibly because of his parents death is acceptable.

First you must look at what Rin meant to Obito. Obito was in love with Rin and she was the only person in the world that he felt even cared about him so losing the one person that you feel acknowledges that you even exist would be hard to except. So just like losing your parents at a young age would have the same effect on you emotionally as losing the one person that you truly care about. You'll live a life full of loneliness and feel the need to look for someone or something to change that.

Finding something to change that is where Oro and Obito have some similarities. Oro looked to edo and experimenting on finding a way to make people close to invincible in order stop deaths and extended the lives of other and is willing to do anything in order to gain that ability which was what made him a villain. Obito turned to the eye of the moon plan in order to bring back loved ones of everybody and prevent the deaths from ever happening again and is willing to do anything in order to achieve his goal. So both Oro and Obito have the same goal in mind and for the same reason, the loss of a loved one.

Now on to the someone is where Oro and Obito has it's differences. Oro had Hiruzen to comfort him and take him in after his tragic loss and good friends in Tsunade and Jiraya but it still wasn't enough to keep him from going down that path. Obito had only Madara to turn to after losing the person he love to the hands of the only other person he considered a friend. So Madara to advantage of that point of weakness and could have possibly been the cause of it all in order to convince him that the only way to make all his pain go away is to follow him and help him complete his plans. So think of a child who has just lost everything how difficult do you think it would be for someone like Madara to persuade them to see things his way if he told that child he could bring it all back and make it even better then before. When a person is at there lowest point there mind is weak enough to be persuade in doing some very evil things in order to make there life better. Just look at real life terrorist bombers, they don't get people who are living a good life they go after those that are poor, lost love ones, lonely, those that are at there lowest point in life with the promise that if they do that task they would be rewarded greatly in the after life. So this idea is something that actually happens in real life.

So my point is if you feel Oro has a valid reason for becoming evil Obito has just as much if not more of a reason once you look at things as a whole and not just the one small portion of just the fact that Rin died.
 

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obito's just mad cause kakashi got to touch rin's boobs and he didn't
 

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they are eternally butthurt that their tobi identity theories got thrashed
 

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I made a thread like this before too, people are just close minded and think Rin was his ONLY motivation for doing what he's doing.
 

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Becoming evil because of the loss of a family member is somewhat acceptable, but becoming evil because you lost your girlfriend (which wasn't even his girlfriend) is completely insane. Do you think Naruto's actions would be justified if he became evil and attempted to destroy the world if Sakura died?
 

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I will start the 4rth world war if my girlfriend dies.

How lame does that sound ? Pretty lame to me.
 

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Obito is pathetic PERIOD. They were about 12 years old when he "died." He was just a knuckle head with a crush. She didn't even reciprocate the same feelings. It was almost exactly the same as Naruto and Sakura's relationship except that she was nicer/more patient to him than everyone else. He went bat shit crazy. Lived a life of lies, deception, and manipulation. He attacked and destroyed Konoha twice technically(he sent Pein to Konoha). It's Obito's fault that Naruto had to grow up and live a life without parents. Led a terrorist organization that involves hunting and killing people for the tailed beast, and waged war on the world. All for what? Because he was a friend zoned pathetic loser who's crush died. Now he wants to live in pedofile illusion world where he and Rin can hold hands and frolic through the daisies.

And thats not even going to happen. He's clearly a pawn and Madara has been fooling him since the beginning. It's only a matter of time before he gets scrapped.
 

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I will start the 4rth world war if my girlfriend dies.

How lame does that sound ? Pretty lame to me.

Idk about that man.......think about how you would feel if someone killed your 12 year old-no ass or tits gf
 

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Because obito was like a 10 year old kid. That's why it's stupid. if every person became evil because they were friend zoned by their 10 year old crush mankind would have been wiped out years ago.

If you can't tell the difference between a bond a family has compared to some random girl you only see at school then you need
to seek some help and guidance.

Sasuke has more reason to be the villain then Obito has. The ONLY thing Obito should be after is revenge against Kakashi.
and even then he should have grown out of it by now realizing Kakashi had to do what needed to be done.
 

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Idk about that man.......think about how you would feel if someone killed your 12 year old-no ass or tits gf
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Not even gf
Well,compared to Obito's reasoning, even Sasuke looks like a genius.This says much.
 

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What people aren't seeing is that he was convinced by Madara to do it when he was at his most vulnerable point. It's not he just said Rin died I'm going to start a war all off a whim. You have to look at the whole picture not just a small part of it to understand.
 

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...Well, what was upsetting for me was the lack of development for both characters (Rin and Obito). First off, Rin doesn't seem to have anything special except the fact she seemed to care for Obito as her team parter. We barely know anything about her (and it doesn't look Obito knew her deeply either), and her death is just melodramatic. As for Obito, he's suppose to be like Naruto, but with the trauma of a loss deranging his mind. But honestly, Kishi barely developed the said trauma, it was just the already overused line of "only those who have suffered the pain of loss can understand".
Let's compare his development with Shikamaru's. Shikamaru lost his sensei Asuma (and we barely knew anything about Asuma as well), but Kishi took his time to show us what kind of relationship Asuma had with his students, the activities they enjoyed together and stuff like that (Obito's flashback was just him staring at Rin who was starting at Kakashi :1). Then Shikamaru had time to suffer and reflect about his loss, but with Obito it was just "OOOOOhhh, you let Rin die".
U_U The lack of development is a serious matter here.
 
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Obito is pathetic PERIOD. They were about 12 years old when he "died." He was just a knuckle head with a crush. She didn't even reciprocate the same feelings. It was almost exactly the same as Naruto and Sakura's relationship except that she was nicer/more patient to him than everyone else. He went bat shit crazy. Lived a life of lies, deception, and manipulation. He attacked and destroyed Konoha twice technically(he sent Pein to Konoha). It's Obito's fault that Naruto had to grow up and live a life without parents. Led a terrorist organization that involves hunting and killing people for the tailed beast, and waged war on the world. All for what? Because he was a friend zoned pathetic loser who's crush died. Now he wants to live in pedofile illusion world where he and Rin can hold hands and frolic through the daisies.

And thats not even going to happen. He's clearly a pawn and Madara has been fooling him since the beginning. It's only a matter of time before he gets scrapped.

^Amen to this.
 

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Becoming evil because of the loss of a family member is somewhat acceptable, but becoming evil because you lost your girlfriend (which wasn't even his girlfriend) is completely insane. Do you think Naruto's actions would be justified if he became evil and attempted to destroy the world if Sakura died?

Even Naruto said himself that the roles between Sasuke and himself could have easily been reversed if it wasn't for the bonds he was able to make with others to keep him from going down that path. Obito just so happened to have Madara waiting in the wings to nudge him down the path he took.
 
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^Amen to this.

To put it simply without letting my ass do too much of the talking it's because obito uchiha is a whiny BITCH and he should thank his lucky stars that he has a jutsu which makes him untouchable and he can phase through people and objects and to be honest if i must say that jutsu suits him cause he's a cry baby who used to get his ass kicked easily and he still would if he never awakened his sharingan and gained that ability.

P.S i'd also like to add that if obito never had that ability to materialise and de-materialise shikamaru could strangle him to death with his shadow strangle jutsu.
 

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Obito is pathetic PERIOD. They were about 12 years old when he "died." He was just a knuckle head with a crush. She didn't even reciprocate the same feelings. It was almost exactly the same as Naruto and Sakura's relationship except that she was nicer/more patient to him than everyone else. He went bat shit crazy. Lived a life of lies, deception, and manipulation. He attacked and destroyed Konoha twice technically(he sent Pein to Konoha). It's Obito's fault that Naruto had to grow up and live a life without parents. Led a terrorist organization that involves hunting and killing people for the tailed beast, and waged war on the world. All for what? Because he was a friend zoned pathetic loser who's crush died. Now he wants to live in pedofile illusion world where he and Rin can hold hands and frolic through the daisies.

And thats not even going to happen. He's clearly a pawn and Madara has been fooling him since the beginning. It's only a matter of time before he gets scrapped.

The key point is at the end. He was young and impressionable at the lowest point in his life. It would be crazy if Madara, former leader of the Uchia and known to be one of the greatest ninja to have lived, would not be able to convince him into evil.
 

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Firstly, they hate him because the were wrong about who was behind the mask. Next, people with an IQ lower than 70 say it is stupid because of the infamous, "you let Rin die." Apparently, they haven't seen the chapter that explained this. Lets look it over:

He sacrificed himself to save Rin and Kakashi, mostly Kakashi, getting crushed by a rock. Thinking he was going to die, gave his eye to his best friend so he could protect the girl he loved. Miraculously he survived, but is in bad shape. Despite this he trains his new body so he can see his friends again. When they finally meet, he see's the one he sacrificed his life to protect, Kakashi, driving a chidori through the chest of the one he loved, when his last dying wish was for Kakashi to protect Rin and gave him his eye for this purpose. "Those who disobey the rules are scum, but those who turn their backs on their friends are worse than scum", must have been what crossed his mind as he say this treachery. Of course there is more to this as well, since we don't know Kakashi's reasons and Kirigakure's involvement.

Then you have the half assed jeering canards. Apparently it is stupid of Obito to mourn for Rin because she did not love him back. She was only one girl so he should just get over it. He shouldn't want to end the world for her sake. This is apathy at its depraved finest. People don't suffer when someone who loves them dies. At worst they don't care at best the feel bad. You suffer when you loved the person, not the other way around. Obito and Rin could have even had a relationship together if she lived longer.

Then there is all of Obito's supposed murders. All of this when we consider that people kill in the Narutoverse indiscriminately. Obito doing it is not acceptable however. Hypocrisy as well. Senju, the supposed most loving clan, would kill an infant if it had a sword and would gladly send their children to die a meaningless death, yet people worship the ground they walk on. The protagonists have all killed their fair share of people. The fandom needs to realize that these people are ninja, assassins, and murderers for hire. Obito killing is not a good enough reason to hate him.

Some just genuinely don't like his character. You can't like everybody.
 

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Because that's how Kishi presented it, especially in comparison to the other antagonists in this manga.
 
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