why do people keep talking about the Obito fight...minato was running out of time in that fight...and SM requires prep time...it's wonderful that he could even defeat obito in such condition...his wife dying, his village under attack, him being the hokage, everyone basically stalling the kyubi until his arrival...the pressure was simply overwhelming
Didn't i just say that it was jiraya's 1st discovery and his senjutsu since he was the one who used it 1st for fcuks sake get that in your head.
Even jiraya when he showed naruto rasengan for the 1st time he said it was a jutsu which minato used not its a jutsu which minato and i use.
Even hiruzen said it when using shiki fujjin/death reaper seal that it was 4th's jutsu not it was 4th and my jutsu.
Didn't i just say that it was jiraya's 1st discovery and his senjutsu since he was the one who used it 1st for fcuks sake get that in your head.
Even jiraya when he showed naruto rasengan for the 1st time he said it was a jutsu which minato used not its a jutsu which minato and i use.
Even hiruzen said it when using shiki fujjin/death reaper seal that it was 4th's jutsu not it was 4th and my jutsu.
Used it when??
In each fight he has been he never needed it.
During juubito fight naruto needed kurama's raw power had minato not supported using bm then the attack on juubito would not be much effective.
And he also had to protect the SA from TBB who were connected to him via his BM mode chakra.
Used it when??
In each fight he has been he never needed it.
During juubito fight naruto needed kurama's raw power had minato not supported using bm then the attack on juubito would not be much effective.
And he also had to protect the SA from TBB who were connected to him via his BM mode chakra.
lol only senjutsu can hurt juubito and it's very effective
and now he will use it on madara its like "oh wait it's the final boss im gonna use this up for extra coolness my time to shine"
because he went through situations where it could have helped him yet he never used it.
some people argue that it wouldn't have made a difference during the Kyuubi incident/attack but, that's not the issue. he was facing a life threatening situation and his wife/son/village were in danger, he had the Kyuubi to face and a mysterious man with extremely advances S/T.
so logically he should have used his most powerful techs/the one form in his arsenal that would have helped him reserve chakra and stay in the fight but, he never used it which lead us to think that he never mastered Senjutsu chakra (shouldn't fall/die until he uses all he's got).
second situation was the fight against the biggest threat to NV at that time, the second ten tail's Jin and after they discovered his weakness, the thought of using SM even never crossed his mind.
he should have transformed and charged alongside Tobirama using their FTG combination because that would have been waaaay more efficient than using a useless form in that situation/letting his son charge in (a son that can die unlike him) and back him up.
i believe that this is called lousy writing U_U Kishi actually thought that throwing that in there would look epic but, never considered the fact that it would look ridiculous after what we witnessed from Minato at this point.
and i'm expecting Minato to use it even more in the following chapter since their facing the THIRD ten tail's Jin .............................. the agony.
that's why kishi has assistants..to minimize errors and ensure that there's at least a little logic to the story...and he's got more thwn 5 of them so I think at least one of them should have been able to point it out...I don't think it's an error...it'll most certainly be explained later...the watly everything else is
Maybe.....but there are other errors that were overlooked and made it into the Manga. Like Pain having the Sharingan, Hiruzen calling Sasuke.... "Sasuke Uchida". If you think it's not an error that's cool, but the whole lot of them could have forgotten, or overlooked it. Just saying.... If you feel it's legitimate that's fine.... I'm sure someone close to Kishi has heard the uproar Minato caused in the 665 chapter. I'm sure it has gotten back to Kishi. So I'm sure we will get an explanation. (Hopefully) :T_T:
1. "Why didn't he use SM against Juubito if he had SM this whole time?"
Why didn't Jiraiya use SM against Oro if he had SM the entire time? Why did it take Kakashi so long to use Kamui even though he unlocked it as a child? Why did Tsunade not use her seal to it's full potential against Oro? Why didn't Guy sensei use his inner gates to stop two very wanted Akatsuki members?
This is not the first time Kishi has made someone wait to use a technique for the sake of plot. Get over yourselves.
2. "He should've said "It's my and Jiraiya's jutsu"
Didn't Jiraiya refer to Rasengan as Minato's jutsu even though he too could use it? Jiraiya is where he got the idea to learn the jutsu from, so that's what he called it. When Hiruzen used Reaper Death Seal, he called it the 4th Hokage's jutsu, despite the fact that he can use it too.
Again, not the first time this has happened.
3. "The scan says specifically only Jiraiya and Naruto can master Frog Sage Mode"
No, it does not. If you fools will look at the entire page of the viz scan, you will see that in the top left panel, Naruto makes a comment ABOUT JIRAIYA, and that's when Pa makes his speech in regard to Jiraiya. Naruto made a reference to both him and his sensei, so Pa commented on the same two people Naruto brought up. No need to mention Minato when he wasn't apart of the conversation
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There is no need for this silly arguing. It was well hinted that Minato had it. If you think it's an asspull you just missed the hints
Arsepull sage mode you see the scan he can use the same as jiraiya sensei. Not me not us.
as for izanami who used it without eyes and susanoo without eyes is inton spiritual energy the eyes are a mirror for it one with rokudo level mastery uses without eyes.
Biggest asspull of the manga is Madara using freaking susanoo without eyes. When it requires two mangekyou EYE techniques to unlock. What's the point in stealing your siblings eyes when can continue to use your power without your eyes. Izanami is close second in asspulls.
Point is this was foreshadowed way back in the pain arc. There are plenty of other things that out shines this in the asspull category by far
we all knew Minto might has a SM since Jiraya was his teacher so it wasnt a asspull
The real asspull is
1.Itachi using Susanoo
2.Itachi sealing orochimaru with totsuka and yata
3. Itachi again showing asspull jutus by doing izanami
4.Madara survivng by summoning Susanoo without eyes.
1. "Why didn't he use SM against Juubito if he had SM this whole time?"
Why didn't Jiraiya use SM against Oro if he had SM the entire time? Why did it take Kakashi so long to use Kamui even though he unlocked it as a child? Why did Tsunade not use her seal to it's full potential against Oro? Why didn't Guy sensei use his inner gates to stop two very wanted Akatsuki members?
This is not the first time Kishi has made someone wait to use a technique for the sake of plot. Get over yourselves.
2. "He should've said "It's my and Jiraiya's jutsu"
Didn't Jiraiya refer to Rasengan as Minato's jutsu even though he too could use it? Jiraiya is where he got the idea to learn the jutsu from, so that's what he called it. When Hiruzen used Reaper Death Seal, he called it the 4th Hokage's jutsu, despite the fact that he can use it too.
Again, not the first time this has happened.
3. "The scan says specifically only Jiraiya and Naruto can master Frog Sage Mode"
No, it does not. If you fools will look at the entire page of the viz scan, you will see that in the top left panel, Naruto makes a comment ABOUT JIRAIYA, and that's when Pa makes his speech in regard to Jiraiya. Naruto made a reference to both him and his sensei, so Pa commented on the same two people Naruto brought up. No need to mention Minato when he wasn't apart of the conversation
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There is no need for this silly arguing. It was well hinted that Minato had it. If you think it's an asspull you just missed the hints
1) Sage Mode is different from the other techniques you listed. Not going into sage mode ( vs. Obito) makes as much sense as Goku not going Super Sayain against Buu, (it would be nonsense). Sage Mode makes nin, gen, and tai justu stronger it's only drawback is time- Minato had enough time to put kushina and Naruto in bed, and go get his coat, he had plenty of time to use sage mode. Senjustu has been shown to work as a multiplyer, it makes no sense to not go into it, given time.
-We saw what Jiriaya had to do to go into sage mode, he needs to gather a large amount of chakra to summon the elders,- furthermore mabey he didnot have sage mode at that time, we don't know when he learned it. - Furthermore we didnot even see the supposed fight between Jiriaya and Orochimaru-mabey he did use it. (( unless your talking about when Jiriaya was poisend??- he could barely summon Gamabunta?)
-Why did kakashi never use kamui? mangeky techniques come with a huge price, you loose your eyeset, kakashi without his sharingan is fairly useless so of course he wants ot keep it for as long as possible.
-Why did tsunade not use her seal?- it takes years to gather chakra, who knows how much she had stored and wants to keep stored for future use?- Also, using mitotic regeneration shorten her life, thats a good reason not to use it.
-Why did gai Sensei not use his gates?- they come with a huge price, if he didnot take out the enemy after using them, he would ahve been exhausted and useless. Keeping your best techniques ( if they have severe paybacks) secret makes alot of sense and is explanaible.
2) the problem is that, Jiriaya didnot have perfect sage mode and Minato does. Why would Minato compare Naruto's perfect sage mode to Jiriays imperfect, if he himself had perfect sennin mode???- Lets say vegeta is super sayain, and goku and gohan are ss2, neithor goku nor gohan would compare vegeta's super sayain mode to their own, gohan would say wow, dads like me etc...
3)I agree with your point, depending on the translation you can interpret different meanings from the scanlation.
At the bottem of the scan, Pa mentions you need enormous chakra reserves to have sage mode, since when has Minato had enormous reseves- he could barely move with half of kuruma in him???- Jiriaya used huge ninjustu combination attacks, at less than 10% his swamp justu got the entirety of Manda-Hashirama has enormous reserves, comparable to the amount Naruto gave out to the ninja alliance.
Furthermore, edo tensei's are weaker than their living counterparts, Minato being able to use senjustu is a surprise becaues it doesnot make sense- however,- we ( the fans) don't know everything so making a decision on limited information can lead to mistakes- because of this, saying it's a asspull doesnot make sense, I wouldnot be surprised if it is explained tonight when the chapter comes out.-Mabey after using sage mode, Minato is going to turn to stone because he cannot control it for more than a few seconds who knows.
Biggest asspull of the manga is Madara using freaking susanoo without eyes. When it requires two mangekyou EYE techniques to unlock. What's the point in stealing your siblings eyes when can continue to use your power without your eyes. Izanami is close second in asspulls.
Point is this was foreshadowed way back in the pain arc. There are plenty of other things that out shines this in the asspull category by far
Its been theorized that even if a uchiha lost eyesight they would keep their techniques- the only thing that has been shown is that they go blind, not that they loose their power.
-the problem with going blind, might not be the loss of ms tecnhiques, but rather the loss of the sharingans genjustu/predictive capacities.
