Priority doesn't make PS cause mountain destroying feats. PS does that by moving their swords with sheer strength as
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Priority isn't the reason why PS can do what Itachi's Susanoo sword couldn't. Then there is this fact that this point does not refute what I just said in my previous post.
and if it has already picked up rocks, then the likelihood increase that the sword will shatter, as it is understress when breaking them, while the core has a free window to begin to destabilize the chakra construct.
Unless there is evidence or scans to prove this, that'a considered a baseless assertion. The core doesn't destabilize chakra. This is due to Itachi's Susanoo, Yasaka Magatama, TBB, and FRS not being destabilize while CT pulls them up.
ok, so U want to compare bijuu creation, to Chibaku Tensei in terms of ''jutsu''?
Priority doesn't make PS cause mountain destroying feats. PS does that by moving their swords with sheer strength as
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Priority isn't the reason why PS can do what Itachi's Susanoo sword couldn't. Then there is this fact that this point does not refute what I just said in my previous post.
I don't recall there being anything to refute. but yes, the sword also has its own priority.
Unless there is evidence or scans to prove this, that'a considered a baseless assertion. The core doesn't destabilize chakra. This is due to Itachi's Susanoo, Yasaka Magatama, TBB, and FRS not being destabilize while CT pulls them up.
its based on the fact that the sword is rigid/tangible. it doesn't matter that its made of chakra.
CT didn't destabilize anything there because it was overpowered w/ raw chakra... anyway, FRS & bijudama cant be destabilized to begin with as they are fluid, explosive constructs. this doesn't relate to a lone sword or its shockwave.
COAT creates while CT destroys. I think I'll take that over CT.
Of course it doesn't matter if its made of chakra.
Your post was:
and if it has already picked up rocks, then the likelihood increase that the sword will shatter, as it is understress when breaking them, while the core has a free window to begin to destabilize the chakra construct
Unless there is evidence or scans to prove this, that's a considered a baseless assertion. The core doesn't destabilize chakra. This is due to Itachi's Susanoo, Yasaka Magatama, TBB, and FRS not being destabilize while CT pulls them up.
You are basically saying that CT will somehow destabilize chakra construct (Susanoo) and the sword will shatter because its rigid. You ignored the fact that
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A far more powerful version (Perfect Susanoo) and its sword is not going to get destabilized by CT.
Not only this, I don't remember seeing that CT has that ability. Unless you provide scans of that ability, that is another baseless assertion.
They are all made of chakra, yet they aren't destabilized by CT. Saying it doesn't matter actually isn't changing that.
I still don't know why you would believe this.
CT didn't destabilize anything there because it was overpowered w/ raw chakra... anyway,
- They are still made of chakra just like Susanoo and its sword.
- They aren't fluid constructs, not even sure where you get this from. Only abilities like Truth Seeker Orbs and Jinton are fluid due to their varying shape manipulation.
- The only part you got right was they are explosives, which doesn't change that they are made of chakra.
- Again then there is you somehow ignoring that Yasaka Magatama not getting destabilized.
. CT is not going to put force on Perfect Susanoo sword, nor Susanoo, nor the shockwave itself.If anything, CT will pull them forward instead if the opposite.
a concession to what? a shockwave doesn't have force/CT doesn't apply a force? what?
You are basically saying that CT will somehow destabilize chakra construct (Susanoo) and the sword will shatter because its rigid. You ignored the fact that
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A far more powerful version (Perfect Susanoo) and its sword is not going to get destabilized by CT.
- They are still made of chakra just like Susanoo and its sword.
- They aren't fluid constructs, not even sure where you get this from. Only abilities like Truth Seeker Orbs and Jinton are fluid due to their varying shape manipulation.
- The only part you got right was they are explosives, which doesn't change that they are made of chakra.
- Again then there is you somehow ignoring that Yasaka Magatama not getting destabilized.
Thank you.
Concession then because you keep repeating this point without any proof of some sort. Saying that it will without any reason in this case is considered a conceded one.
If anything, you should have conceded to this counter a while ago.
You said Itachi didn't use a Susanoo sword against CT to prove why Madara can't do so with his PS Sword. This makes no sense because Madara is levels way above Itachi. There is no way you can use Itachi's incapability to to say why Madara couldn't use his Perfect Susanoo sword against CT.
Saying that "There's nothing to prove or disprove either way" is not an argument. Especially if it doesn't have facts to support it.
you lost me here. you were saying the sword has a powerful force, no?
- Moving perceptually means they go in a continuous manner. That doesn't prove that they are fluid.
- They both have a form. Based on how Minato based Rasengan off of the Tailed Beast and how FRS is a far stronger variant of it. Rasengan is considered a very high ninjutsu based on shape manipulation and form alone.
- They also are not highly reactive since it took a short while for FRS to detonate when it hit Third Raikage.
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. FRS isn't highly reactive because of this fact.
- Then we have
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. Highly reactive attacks doesn't take that span of time to detonate. They would explode almost immediately if what you're saying is really true.
I'll reply tomorrow. It's getting late up in here. Excuse me for being fairly new to debates.
It obviously is not the ultimate jutsu(not talking about Six Paths CT that seals the Juubi, but the ordinary version). Now, it's execution speed is very fast as Nagato used it whilst a short disatance away from Itachi, Bee and Naruto. But, if you have enough firepower to destroy the core, then you can counter the jutsu. So, Naruto(BM and above for Nagato's CT), Hashirama, Madara, Sasuke etc can all counter it. Also, on a side note, Sasuke's Rikudo Enhanced PS sliced up Juubi Jin Madara's CT cores. Apply simple powerscaling, and you come to the conclusion that an EMS PS would cut through Nagato's CT eventually.
Concession then because you keep repeating this point without any proof of some sort. Saying that it will without any reason in this case is considered a conceded one.
You said Itachi didn't use a Susanoo sword against CT to prove why Madara can't do so with his PS Sword. This makes no sense because Madara is levels way above Itachi. There is no way you can use Itachi's incapability to to say why Madara couldn't use his Perfect Susanoo sword against CT.
You kept repeating that PS creates shockwaves because of priority
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. It isn't because of priority.
Exactly what I said. A PS sword shockwave will-Bl20page%204-5.png?psid=1&rdrts=103181812"]destroy it since it's tiers more powerful[/URL] than the
. no, its not. CT is stronger than all 4 of them combined. but the core was destabilized. a portion or shockwave of a PS susano'o is not even stronger than a bijudama. I think your interpretation is way off here
That's only if Perfect Susanoo users like Madara or Sasuke would allow that to happen, which absolutely isn't the case.
the evidence that CT is a stronger force than, a fleeting shochwave.
- Moving perceptually means they go in a continuous manner. That doesn't prove that they are fluid.
- They both have a form. Based on how Minato based Rasengan off of the Tailed Beast and how FRS is a far stronger variant of it. Rasengan is considered a very high ninjutsu based on shape manipulation and form alone.
- They also are not highly reactive since it took a short while for FRS to detonate when it hit Third Raikage.
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. FRS isn't highly reactive because of this fact.
- Then we have
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. Highly reactive attacks doesn't take that span of time to detonate. They would explode almost immediately if what you're saying is really true.
I'll reply tomorrow. It's getting late up in here. Excuse me for being fairly new to debates.
- yes, yes it does. that is the very nature of fluidity as an adjective. wind/ light is a fluid force
- no they don't. a water dragon has temporal, fluid form. a wind blade has no form. a swsord has static, rigid form.
- that's not a fact. panels don't tell time. as soon as contact was made, the next panel shows explosion.
interpretation...
- didn't look like a lot of time to me considering the imagined speed of the moving energy. and the artwork implies that their rotating properties reacted w/ eack other as well.
so again...
- ok. I've never debated anybody; I just post.
no problem, tomorrow then...
Normal CT didn't solo Kaguya. Any CT besides the Yin-Yang sealing CT gets destroyed by anyone BM Naruto tier or above. The only reason Kaguya loses to it is because it seals her powers and splits the Juubi and her apart, which doesn't allow her to break out.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Thread should have honestly ended with this. People are bringing up Ying-Yang sealing CT when the OP specifically mentioned Nagato in the opener.
- I know it picks things up, but that's completely irrelevant since I'm arguing against why CT will put force on Susanoo like you claimed. Lol
- You didn't give a reason and evidence why CT will put force on PS and it's shockwave. CT is only going to pick up objects like you said, not put force on its targets (Susanoo) and pick them up.
then power levels is not an argument, nor is it proof, nor did itachi, solely, do anything to CT.
Why is it not argument? Is this because you couldn't answer to my point that Itachi isn't comparable to Madara?
You asserted that Itachi didn't use his Susanoo sword against CT. I said that his inability can't be used to prove that Madara can't destroy CT's core with his PS sword and its slash. They are not comparable and you are just saying that power levels isn't an argument without a single reason to back up that claim.
I wasn't making any argument against your interpretation, only explaining my own
ok
- And you still didn't post any scan or proof on this point and decided to repeat that same claim. That's a defeated point if anything,
. no, its not. CT is stronger than all 4 of them combined. but the core was destabilized. a portion or shockwave of a PS susano'o is not even stronger than a bijudama. I think your interpretation is way off here
Another baseless assertion coming from you. Madara and Sasuke would not allow CT to crush them.
- You then say that they can't stop CT with Susanoo when you ignored that Itachi's Susanoo can help destroy the core using it's Yasaka Magatama. Even if Itachi didn't do it by himself, that is not comparable to what Madara can do. So you need to stop using that type of comparison because that is pretty much what I'm seeing.
- You also ignored that PS doesn't have to touch the target to slice them, as they can create shockwaves exactly like what Madara did like I showed you. Itachi's didn't use Susanoo's sword because it isn't like Madara's PS sword. Madara can create shockwaves that CT will attract and lead to it's own doom. ITachi can't do that same feat.
- You also try to ignore that PS is tiers more powerful than the combined attacks of FRS, Yasaka, and a regular TBB. By what? By you saying that power levels isn't an argument.
the evidence that CT is a stronger force than, a fleeting shochwave.
Except CT's attractive force doesn't a PS Susanoo slash. Plus, I still don't see a scan or evidence of your claim that CT will put force on Susanoo, it's sword, or the shockwave.
Bold: What you just said is a claim, not evidence.
- yes, yes it does. that is the very nature of fluidity as an adjective. wind/ light is a fluid force
- Water having a temporal fluid form doesn't negate why Rasengan or FRS don't have a form.
Bold: - Danzo's
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. Wind having no form does not in any way shape or form, mean that a Wind-Style Technique doesn't have a form. Especially since shape manipulation is going to be added to create a form. So FRS absolutely does have a form, and a damn rigid one. Lol
- Which still doesn't explain to me clearly how the damn thing shatters. I already repeated that Itachi's Susanoo didn't shatter when it was pulled in by CT's core and said that CT doesn't have this rigid shattering ability you speak. Madara's PS and its sword isn't going to shatter either since
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, letting alone the Susanoo Itachi used. Lol
- In the end, I can only conclude that it was something you made up.
- that's not a fact. panels don't tell time. as soon as contact was made, the next panel shows explosion.
Bold: No, FRS didn't explode immediately as soon as it made contact. Third Raikage is circled with a blue circle. The red line shows where he was getting pushed to. If FRS really did explode, then it should have done so right next to Naruto's clone, destroying him.
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- didn't look like a lot of time to me considering the imagined speed of the moving energy. and the artwork implies that their rotating properties reacted w/ eack other as well.
so again...
- Only to you, it doesn't. But that's not what the scan showed. Plus, I only said took a while; that doesn't mean it took a lot of time.
- Doesn't change that they didn't exploded immediately. Thus, TBBs and FRS aren't highly reactive like what you claim.
- Bold: Then that means that can't be reactive, let alone highly reactive. Highly reactive techniques will explode on contact with an opposing target. They cannot do all of what you just said while being reactive at the same time.
- ok. I've never debated anybody; I just post.
no problem, tomorrow then...
So you're saying this slash...