why do people take away minato's feat as a jin?

[ShiroT]

First of all alive nagato isn't crippled due to asura path, bad example.

Second of all itachi was healthy in part 1, & he became sick in part 2. Healthy & sick itachi are two different versions.

Alive minato only has one version, & that's the version before he sealed kurama inside of himself. Once he used RDS the alive version of minato died, because by default RDS is a suicide jutsu.

It doesn't matter what he used the RDS for, even if he used it to become the next sage of six paths he still doesn't have access to any abilities because he's dead.



As I said nothing matters once he uses RDS, a suicide jutsu means that he is going to die, so he automatically loses access to the powers of a jin.

the second paragraph wasnt for you as i tagged two people in my post.

my point was we only knew about itachi's ms abilities when he was unhealthy and has only shown them while sick. theres no evidence to prove that he knew them before being sick and same goes for nagato. nagato's only rinne tech that he's shown before being cripple was gedo mezo but the 6 paths of pain were shown later. this could suggest that nagato learned them after his fight with hanzo because i doubt he would've lost his legs if he knew them then.

thats like saying minato doesnt have sage mode because we dont know how it would effect his regular body. we've seen how he uses sm and kcm or bm mode in edo so that could mean under the right circumstances(him defeating kurama or kurama just cooperating with him) minato would fight exactly like he already has.

 

[xxxLegacy]

No he wasn't, he killed himself to become the jin because RDS is a suicide jutsu.

Dude he was a Jin omg not a perfect jin but he was a Jin of 50% Kurama wtf

 

[ShiroT]

No he wasn't, he killed himself to become the jin because RDS is a suicide jutsu.

consider this. healthy itachi only existed as a edo. while we did see healthy itachi when he was in the anbu, when he was at his strongest he was sick. meaning reasonably we can only use how he was as edo to show how strong he would be if he was healthy. edo itachi = healthy.

same could be said for minato. minato died with kurama in him. the yin half didnt go anywhere and stayed with him meaning even while dead he was a jin. why cant we just if minato was alive with kurama he would be the same as edo minato since we can just as easily carry over edo itachi into itachi

 

[Nattana]

consider this. healthy itachi only existed as a edo. while we did see healthy itachi when he was in the anbu, when he was at his strongest he was sick. meaning reasonably we can only use how he was as edo to show how strong he would be if he was healthy. edo itachi = healthy.

same could be said for minato. minato died with kurama in him. the yin half didnt go anywhere and stayed with him meaning even while dead he was a jin. why cant we just if minato was alive with kurama he would be the same as edo minato since we can just as easily carry over edo itachi into itachi

That's why Edo Minato has Kyuubi and Alive Minato doesn't.

 

[ShiroT]

That's why Edo Minato has Kyuubi and Alive Minato doesn't.

you are dead when you stop breathing. minato was alive while he had kurama and died with kurama. what your doing is referring to a minato before having the biju sealed in him, which isnt the right minato as it is not the current one. current minato died with kyuubi, making him a jin if even for a few seconds thats the TRUE current minato

 

[xxxLegacy]

That's why Edo Minato has Kyuubi and Alive Minato doesn't.

How dumb someone can be ?
Minato sealed Kurama inside of him befor he died.

 

[lilenesaron]

consider this. healthy itachi only existed as a edo. while we did see healthy itachi when he was in the anbu, when he was at his strongest he was sick. meaning reasonably we can only use how he was as edo to show how strong he would be if he was healthy. edo itachi = healthy.

same could be said for minato. minato died with kurama in him. the yin half didnt go anywhere and stayed with him meaning even while dead he was a jin. why cant we just if minato was alive with kurama he would be the same as edo minato since we can just as easily carry over edo itachi into itachi

see what potential of healthy itachi(edo) see what he was capable of. imagining what jin minato could do will really be crazy thus ruled out by haters. though i agree with you. i mean i cant count how many times the same has been said of madara yet minato's the black sheep

 

[Gold Lightning]

Then the answer is simple.
Minato died seconds after he sealed the Kyuubi. He wasn't able to fight and died. How can you consider it an 'alive feat'?

Seconds? Keep making up things.

Let me jog your memory of what happened after he sealed Kurama within himself:

- He summoned the ceremonial throne where he placed Naruto
- Ran into the way of Kurama's claw to intercept it from stabbing Naruto
- Summoned Gamatora (spoke to him for a bit)
- Then Kushina gave her long ass speech to Naruto
- Minato then gave his own short message to Naruto
- Then performed the 8 trigrams seal

So that was all a few seconds right?m I wish people would stop making things up from the manga to suit their needs and just read it for once. He was still performing jutsu even after receiving Kurama yet you say he couldn't fight, he still managed to dash in front of Kurama's claw and used his own feet to stop the claw reaching any further. Minato only died after he was ready to complete the ritual, but he was still very much alive after becoming a Jinchuuriki.

 

[xxxLegacy]

Seconds? Keep making up things.

Let me jog your memory of what happened after he sealed Kurama within himself:

- He summoned the ceremonial throne where he placed Naruto
- Ran into the way of Kurama's claw to intercept it from stabbing Naruto
- Summoned Gamatora (spoke to him for a bit)
- Then Kushina gave her long ass speech to Naruto
- Minato then gave his own short message to Naruto
- Then performed the 8 trigrams seal

So that was all a few seconds right?m I wish people would stop making things up from the manga to suit their needs and just read it for once. He was still performing jutsu even after receiving Kurama yet you say he couldn't fight, he still managed to dash in front of Kurama's claw and used his own feet to stop the claw reaching any further. Minato only died after he was ready to complete the ritual, but he was still very much alive after becoming a Jinchuuriki.

+ Narutos Fight against Kurama was also not very long ,

 

[ShiroT]

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this is to all saying minato died seconds after becoming a jin. read the part after it says "Minato using the Dead Demon Consuming Seal" he actually did quite alot

 

[Draphsin]

He was for a few minutes . He showed the feats in Edo form . So lets take all Edo feats from all other characters out too .

No, because in that situation at that point he was dead. You could say he was technically alive but everything he did right until the point of his actual death was all part of the suicide.

He died to become a jin, even though he technically sealed it alive the RDS already had his soul.

my point was we only knew about itachi's ms abilities when he was unhealthy and has only shown them while sick. theres no evidence to prove that he knew them before being sick

This is wrong. We know that itachi awakened tsukuyomi during the uchiha massacre, & we know that he awakened all three mangekyou jutsus at the same time according to this scan. [

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This proves that he had his MS abilities while healthy.

Now as for him being sick recently, zetsu will help us with that. [

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If itachi was sick for a long time then zetsu would not be surprised by his lack of movement, zetsu expected itachi to masterfully dodge the shuriken but he failed, meaning he was not in that condition for a significant period of time [or it at least didn't affect him for a significant period of time].

& Before you say it, no. Eye damage damage doesn't decrease reflexes [

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] sasuke thought it was tsuku, but zetsu knew it was his reflexes that were worse. Take a blind sasuke & a slightly blind kakashi as examples of that. All eye damage does is lower eyesight & cause pain but that doesn't matter because itachi still saw the shuriken rig & had plenty of time to dodge. [

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and same goes for nagato. nagato's only rinne tech that he's shown before being cripple was gedo mezo but the 6 paths of pain were shown later. this could suggest that nagato learned them after his fight with hanzo because i doubt he would've lost his legs if he knew them then.

As I said this is a bad example. Nagato even as a cripple can use asura path for mobility as well as all the other paths so regardless of when you think he was good with the paths even a crippled nagato isn't restricted.

thats like saying minato doesnt have sage mode because we dont know how it would effect his regular body.

Lel this is nothing like what I'm saying. Minato learned to gather & control senjutsu while alive, he used it as an edo but he gained the skill while alive so he has it.

Minato gained kurama while comiting suicide so he doesn't get it, simple.

we've seen how he uses sm and kcm or bm mode in edo so that could mean under the right circumstances(him defeating kurama or kurama just cooperating with him) minato would fight exactly like he already has.

@Bold: "Under the right circumstances" is just another way of saying "what if". & Saying that means this is assumption, you have no idea what the circumstances would be or what the results of the circumstances would be so you can't say how minato would fight.

Fact of the matter is that minato used RDS to seal kurama, which kills the user.

Dude he was a Jin omg not a perfect jin but he was a Jin of 50% Kurama wtf

No he wasn't, he sealed kurama into himself while committing suicide, so he was never a jin while alive because there's no situation where he can survive with kurama.

consider this. healthy itachi only existed as a edo.

Again you're wrong.

Healthy itachi has existed for years, edo itachi's feats are the same thing as edo minato using SM. We know itachi was healthy & edo tensei shows us how he would fight under those conditions. We know that minato gained SM while alive & edo tensei shows us how he would use it.

 

[Valhorus]

No, because in that situation at that point he was dead. You could say he was technically alive but everything he did right until the point of his actual death was all part of the suicide.
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Still he died as a jinchuriki no matter what he did .

 

[ShiroT]

No, because in that situation at that point he was dead. You could say he was technically alive but everything he did right until the point of his actual death was all part of the suicide.

He died to become a jin, even though he technically sealed it alive the RDS already had his soul.



This is wrong. We know that itachi awakened tsukuyomi during the uchiha massacre, & we know that he awakened all three mangekyou jutsus at the same time according to this scan. [

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This proves that he had his MS abilities while healthy.

Now as for him being sick recently, zetsu will help us with that. [

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If itachi was sick for a long time then zetsu would not be surprised by his lack of movement, zetsu expected itachi to masterfully dodge the shuriken but he failed, meaning he was not in that condition for a significant period of time [or it at least didn't affect him for a significant period of time].

& Before you say it, no. Eye damage damage doesn't decrease reflexes [

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] sasuke thought it was tsuku, but zetsu knew it was his reflexes that were worse. Take a blind sasuke & a slightly blind kakashi as examples of that. All eye damage does is lower eyesight & cause pain but that doesn't matter because itachi still saw the shuriken rig & had plenty of time to dodge. [

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As I said this is a bad example. Nagato even as a cripple can use asura path for mobility as well as all the other paths so regardless of when you think he was good with the paths even a crippled nagato isn't restricted.



Lel this is nothing like what I'm saying. Minato learned to gather & control senjutsu while alive, he used it as an edo but he gained the skill while alive so he has it.

Minato gained kurama while comiting suicide so he doesn't get it, simple.



@Bold: "Under the right circumstances" is just another way of saying "what if". & Saying that means this is assumption, you have no idea what the circumstances would be or what the results of the circumstances would be so you can't say how minato would fight.

Fact of the matter is that minato used RDS to seal kurama, which kills the user.



No he wasn't, he sealed kurama into himself while committing suicide, so he was never a jin while alive because there's no situation where he can survive with kurama.

1. we havent seen itachi fight while he was healthy. also awakening them doesnt men he was proficient in them as he was when he was sick. we also dont know when he got yata mirrow as this was only shown when he was sick so its hard to just give young itachi he hasnt shown.. when sasuke first used amateratsu he wasnt as good at it as say kage summit/fight with danzo. also it was less strain on his eyes.

2. thats like saying madara and obito can use all six paths even though they havent. nagato hasnt either. he didnt show them to jirairy(on screen) either so we dont really know when he learned they, we only know when he showed them. same could be said for madara(before juubijn) prime madara doesnt have rinnegan but edo does. nobody had a problem with giving madara edo feats.

3. what i meant by that is saying minato isnt a jin is like saying im only going to uses minato up to this point in the story. when i said under the right circumstances i meant had minato survived as a jin, we would already have a idea of how good he would be as a jin. minato died a jin and only using minato's feats up to a certian point is wrong. many people believe minato beat kurama in the reapers stomach but that would mean you have chakra in the after life(i have no reason to believe that you do). so if he did he could just as easily do it if he survived as a jin. also i believe that yin kurama is just nice and is lending minato his powers.

 

[xxxLegacy]

Minato was a Jin of Kurama omg why they deny it soooo hard unbelievable . HE WAS FOR MINUTES KURAMA JIM DEAL WITH IT THE RDS HAS NOT HIS ALL SOUL + HE WOULD DIE IN 1 SECUND WHEN HIS SOUL WAS GONE

 

[Shadow Phantasm]

Dude he was a Jin omg not a perfect jin but he was a Jin of 50% Kurama wtf

Not at that point since he died before getting the chance to use the Kyuubi's power.

 

[Shadow Phantasm]

Minato was a Jin of Kurama omg why they deny it soooo hard unbelievable . HE WAS FOR MINUTES KURAMA JIM DEAL WITH IT THE RDS HAS NOT HIS ALL SOUL + HE WOULD DIE IN 1 SECUND WHEN HIS SOUL WAS GONE

Do you even know how RDS works?It takes the users entire soul with it.

 

[shelke]

Because an Alive Jin Minato doesn't exist, no matter how desperate his fanboys get. They can bawl and blubber all they want, Minato couldn't handle Kurama's chakra.

 

[Retsu]

What difference does it make, either way vs threads can be made by anyone with any kind of terms they want so who cares whether someone claims its fair or not?

 

[blackstar9]

The o.p.is clearly biased in this argument . Minato displayed no jinnchuriki abilities while alive . Manga fact . Minato admitted he never used sage mode in battle manga fact . So unless its edo minato , those feats shouldn't be used in vs battles. Madara and itachi are different then minato. Edo itachi used the same tech as alive itachi . Edo madara techs were different then alive madara . Alive madara obtained rinnegan before death. But the woodstyle should not be used in vs battles . Unless its edo madara . Now even though madara awoke rinnegan , we never seen him use it in battle . So unless its edo madara. Woodstyle and rinnegan shouldn't be used in battles.

 

[Valhorus]

The o.p.is clearly biased in this argument . Minato displayed no jinnchuriki abilities while alive . Manga fact . Minato admitted he never used sage mode in battle manga fact . So unless its edo minato , those feats shouldn't be used in vs battles. Madara and itachi are different then minato. Edo itachi used the same tech as alive itachi . Edo madara techs were different then alive madara . Alive madara obtained rinnegan before death. But the woodstyle should not be used in vs battles . Unless its edo madara . Now even though madara awoke rinnegan , we never seen him use it in battle . So unless its edo madara. Woodstyle and rinnegan shouldn't be used in battles.

So now u will take Minato's SM out ? Get lost brah . Show me a scan where Alive Itachi used Yasaka Magatama .