why do people say curse mark and ems are free power ups?

[ANiMUS]

Because Sasuke can use them without any training and gain them without any training. People say the same thing about Naruto having Kurama because Minato gave him them even thought he can't use the power whenever he wants since Kurama can take over him, his seal weakens, the chakra cloak actually hurts him and when it heals Naruto it shortens his life. Sasuke did have pain using his CM but that's because he was told not to use it and he was trying not to use it and it paralyzed him when he was either trying not to use it or after Kakashi sealed it. When Sasuke start to use his CM he gain use of it without any training and he even used a pill which increased his base stats.

Sasuke didn't fight Itachi for EMS, it was for MS since Obito said Itachi plan the fight so he would die by Sasuke's hands while also planning to rid Sasuek of Orochimaru and the CM. Sasuke did nothing to get Itachi's eye since he wasn't fighting for that reason nor did he earn them in an actually fight. Sasuke wasn't fighting to gain anything, he wanted revenge and he wouldn't even know about the MS or EMS without Itachi telling him about them so Itachi is the reason Sasuke got them.

Naruto was fighting the strongest Bijuu, him having help fighting Kurama is actually understandable while Itachi was sick and still planned the whole fight. Also Kushina first stopped Kurama so she can talk to Naruto then she only tripped Kurama when Naruto attacked so it wasn't like she was fighting the whole fight with him as he was still the one to pull Kurama's chakra then he had to actually train to use that chakra and didn't have the power and use it freely.

P.S. I don't care if they were given or borrowed, I only don't like it when they can use a power well with no training at all. Same goes for BSM, Naruto had incomplete training of KM then gets BM and BSM. I rather Naruto and Sasuke train in their respective powerup so we can get a better fight.

Naruto had a lot of help during his fight with Kurama from both Kushina and a lot from Bee that should equal out to Sasuke having to fight a weakened Itachi and finding a way to beat Itachi's two most powerful techniques. Sasuke gained MS from hearing the truth about Itachi. He refused the eyes which were his to do what he willed after the fight until he went blind. Itachi intended for Sasuke to transplant the eyes anyway.

As for CM it was a curse that gave him a momentary boost and then crippled him. Sasuke may not have had to train for CM2, but he did sacrifice his life at Konoha for that power as well as his training under Orochimaru. Gaining the CM meant bringing tying him to Orochimaru, I wouldn't consider that free.

 

[Exaar]

CM, EMS and Naruto's Bm are basically free power ups.

Sm shouldn't really be categorized with these though. SM is earned, Not given. The same way as chidori was for sasuke and so forth.

 

[XY iNVeRSe]

Ems is a free power up no matter how you put it.

Though he did fight itachi.

 

[lanakui8]

Curse mark was super dangerous.I can think of several instances he almost died because it paralyzed him.plus he was thoroughly explained the price of having cm2.the curse mark consumes you over time and you'll lose your freedom.plus he had to go into a coma.


For ems sasuke had to fight itachi with everything he had.he was so tired after the fight he slept a couple days.if fighting itachi for ems is a free powerup,what does that make kcm/bm?


And if you say itachi "went easy",consider the fact that naruto had unlimited sage mode and his mom to use her slave chains...seriously who lets their mom fight their battles?

Naruto didn't just 'fight' kurama, he first had to overcome his hatred in the falls of truth in order to just have a shot at ripping Kurama's chakra.
BM required Naruto to prove himself to Kurama with his ideology and actions.

Sasuke just fought itachi because he wanted to avenge his clan. The MS came as an accidental byproduct of that fight, the EMS was a straight up gift by itachi who would have found a way to give Sasuke his eyes even if both didn't end up fighting.

Mastering the MS and EMS powers however were not freely given to Sasuke, and the cursed seal is legit as well.

 

[Styles]

CM, EMS and Naruto's Bm are basically free power ups.

Sm shouldn't really be categorized with these though. SM is earned, Not given. The same way as chidori was for sasuke and so forth.

I think by free power ups are outside sources CM is senjutsu same as SM but for CM you have to have a strong body to handle it or you die SM you need strong body and good chakra or you can't handle nature energy. CM and SM are basically the same just SM is far better.

 

[V h o]

Technically no power up was free, even the sages power ups; all of them had some prerequisite that had to be fulfilled.

 

[lanakui8]

I think by free power ups are outside sources CM is senjutsu same as SM but for CM you have to have a strong body to handle it or you die SM you need strong body and good chakra or you can't handle nature energy. CM and SM are basically the same just SM is far better.

except you left out the part where with CM you either die or live when you are first infected by it while with SM you run the risk of dieing every single time you try to enter the mode.
you also left out the part that on top of running the risk of dieing every time you use SM, you have to go through rigorous training in order to be able to enter sennin mode.

 

[FleeOnSight]

As much as the curse mark is. Both require training, both require a master to walk up to you and offer, both have risks of death.

Keyword that makes both CM and SM not a free power up.

 

[Styles]

except you left out the part where with CM you either die or live when you are first infected by it while with SM you run the risk of dieing every single time you try to enter the mode.
you also left out the part that on top of running the risk of dieing every time you use SM, you have to go through rigorous training in order to be able to enter sennin mode.

I kinda said that though well part of it.

 

[xxSAGExx]

Naruto had a lot of help during his fight with Kurama from both Kushina and a lot from Bee that should equal out to Sasuke having to fight a weakened Itachi and finding a way to beat Itachi's two most powerful techniques. Sasuke gained MS from hearing the truth about Itachi. He refused the eyes which were his to do what he willed after the fight until he went blind. Itachi intended for Sasuke to transplant the eyes anyway.

As for CM it was a curse that gave him a momentary boost and then crippled him. Sasuke may not have had to train for CM2, but he did sacrifice his life at Konoha for that power as well as his training under Orochimaru. Gaining the CM meant bringing tying him to Orochimaru, I wouldn't consider that free.

Not really, Bee's tentacles were slashed by Kurama neg diff then Bee caught Kurama's tbb which was the only real help he did for Naruto in the fight. Kushina helped Naruto when she tripped Kurama but over all that's all Kushina did in that fight. Pausing the fight to talk to Naruto doesn't actually help Naruto in the fight, she wanted to talk to her son. Naruto did feel the love of his mother with helped him push Kurama hate out of him but that's Naruto's feelings and will that actually did that, he chose to feel that himself. Also you can't compare fighting a Bijuu who wants to pull out your chakra and kill you to fighting a sick person who doesn't want to kill you.

You get the MS by killing someone you care about, the emotion you feel from it. Itachi made his death be at Sasuke's hand so Sasuke can get the MS by killing someone close to him. Even if Obito didn't tell Sasuke anything, Sasuke would still have the feelings of killing his brother as well as avenging his clan which would awaken his MS. CM is just like a Bijuu, you can actually die if your body can't contain the Bijuu and that's why the Jinchuuriki before Bee died. Minato mentioned how heavy half of Kurama was while baby Naruto was ok. Naruto can die if he lose Kurama and he can be taken over by Kurama just like how a CM slowly makes someone lose themselves to Orochimaru.

As I said before, I really don't care about given or borrowed power as long as they make the power theirs which Naruto and Sasuke both do

 

[-Spoiler-]

As much as the curse mark is. Both require training, both require a master to walk up to you and offer, both have risks of death.

Didn't require any training in part 1 when he woke up and pwned the sound fodder :| and he didn't require any training when he got level 2 either he was just given a pill ( oh look at that). didn't see Naruto use sage mode off the bat it was after training

 

[Howling Fox]

because they are marik u nerd.


Sasko woke up magically and could use curse mark 0 training. sasko plugged in Itachis eyes and boom magic new susano and enton upgrades. naruto trained hard with his life on line at mount myoboku and foguht kurama and his own self to get his power. Sasko just use shit like a mr potato head. big difference LEL

 

[QdonEms]

Naruto's Powerups
1-6 tails(free powerup)w/ risk
Sage Mode(earned powerup)
KCM(earned powerup)
BM(free powerup)
BSM(free powerup)
Current(free powerup)

Sasuke's Powerups
Sharingan(earned powerup)
CM(earned powerup)w/ risk
MS(earned powerup)
EMS(free powerup)
Current(free powerup)

Naruto has 4 free powerups & Sasuke has 2 free powerups

 

[Michael]

Keyword that makes both CM and SM not a free power up.

Naruto trained for sage mode, it wasn't given to him like sasuke's CM. Oro literally bit him on the neck to give him this power up.

 

[ANiMUS]

Not really, Bee's tentacles were slashed by Kurama neg diff then Bee caught Kurama's tbb which was the only real help he did for Naruto in the fight. Kushina helped Naruto when she tripped Kurama but over all that's all Kushina did in that fight. Pausing the fight to talk to Naruto doesn't actually help Naruto in the fight, she wanted to talk to her son. Naruto did feel the love of his mother with helped him push Kurama hate out of him but that's Naruto's feelings and will that actually did that, he chose to feel that himself. Also you can't compare fighting a Bijuu who wants to pull out your chakra and kill you to fighting a sick person who doesn't want to kill you.

You get the MS by killing someone you care about, the emotion you feel from it. Itachi made his death be at Sasuke's hand so Sasuke can get the MS by killing someone close to him. Even if Obito didn't tell Sasuke anything, Sasuke would still have the feelings of killing his brother as well as avenging his clan which would awaken his MS. CM is just like a Bijuu, you can actually die if your body can't contain the Bijuu and that's why the Jinchuuriki before Bee died. Minato mentioned how heavy half of Kurama was while baby Naruto was ok. Naruto can die if he lose Kurama and he can be taken over by Kurama just like how a CM slowly makes someone lose themselves to Orochimaru.

As I said before, I really don't care about given or borrowed power as long as they make the power theirs which Naruto and Sasuke both do

Bee Saved his life more than once, Kushina held off the kyuubi and enlightened Naruto on what it it takes to defeat to defeat Kurama (love)
She was the one that gave him this love as his mother. So that is a pretty big help seeing how Sasuke had to find his way on his own.
Sasuke wasn't shown with MS in canon until after his grieving of Itachi. Sasuke would have had to experience extreme grief which wouldn't have happened if he didn't know the truth about Itachi. MS is just Sasuke's sharingan going through its natural progression.

because they are marik u nerd.


Sasko woke up magically and could use curse mark 0 training. sasko plugged in Itachis eyes and boom magic new susano and enton upgrades. naruto trained hard with his life on line at mount myoboku and foguht kurama and his own self to get his power. Sasko just use shit like a mr potato head. big difference LEL

1. Was tested by Orochimaru to see whether he was worthy, could have died from the CM, and had to train in order to overcome Orochimaru's influence so he wouldn't get taken over when Orochimaru tried to take his body. (He was also the only person to master the partial transformation since Juugo)

2. Had to fight Itachi, countered amaterasu, broke out of Tsukuyomi, and forced Itachi to use Susano'o which with coupled with his illness finally overtook Itachi.

Naruto just like with Pein would have lost against Kurama without help.

EMS was earned just like KCM.

BM was given

 

[Blackwatch]

Even Sasuke admitted CM was a freebie.

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EMS too.

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You lose. Now stop acting like such a predictable idiot and accept that you got steamrolled.

 

[xxSAGExx]

Bee Saved his life more than once, Kushina held off the kyuubi and enlightened Naruto on what it it takes to defeat to defeat Kurama (love)
She was the one that gave him this love as his mother. So that is a pretty big help seeing how Sasuke had to find his way on his own.
Sasuke wasn't shown with MS in canon until after his grieving of Itachi. Sasuke would have had to experience extreme grief which wouldn't have happened if he didn't know the truth about Itachi. MS is just Sasuke's sharingan going through its natural progression.



1. Was tested by Orochimaru to see whether he was worthy, could have died from the CM, and had to train in order to overcome Orochimaru's influence so he wouldn't get taken over when Orochimaru tried to take his body. (He was also the only person to master the partial transformation since Juugo)

2. Had to fight Itachi, countered amaterasu, broke out of Tsukuyomi, and forced Itachi to use Susano'o which with coupled with his illness finally overtook Itachi.

Naruto just like with Pein would have lost against Kurama without help.

EMS was earned just like KCM.

BM was given

Bee helped Naruto 2x besides telling him what to do prior. Kushina told him what to do but he had to do it him self is what I was saying and this is still against the strongest Bijuu who can neg diff Naruto without this help. Sasuke also had Orochimaru sealed inside him which gave Sasuke more power, his CM lvl 2 got snakes instead of 2 hands, heal ability, and his jutsus such as oral rebirth which Sasuke used when Amaterasu hit him. Sasuke also had CM which he used to break out of Tsukuyomi. Itachi saw Orochimaru and the CM as something Sasuke shouldn't have and removed them from him since both were bad for him. but even with these powers Sasuke lost to a Kage level ninja who was sick when Sasuke's base is high jounin and he's Kage level with CM lvl 2 and stronger with Oro power as well.

Well that's because Sasuke never had time to process what he's done before Obito appeared and told him the truth, Sasuke was emotionally numb at that point.

 

[Michael]

Even Sasuke admitted CM was a freebie.

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EMS too.

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You lose. Now stop acting like such a predictable idiot and accept that you got steamrolled.

LoL you solo'd him rather easily.

 

[AllHailKurama]

People say they were free because they were. Sasuke got bitten and took his dead brothers eyes. He literally did nothing to attain them.

 

[Blackwatch]

LoL you solo'd him rather easily.

I think it's just sad Sasuke fans are so delusional and desperate they have to pretend CM was something he earned LOL.

Just look at my sig for crying out loud. #ShitSasukeFanboysSay. I could write a book with it.