I know I'm going back to quote quite an old post - I was reading through the thread and i noticed that these aren't subsequent manga pages, Raikage's arm didn't get burned from Sasuke's trying to Amaterasu him (the first page you posted) , it got burned from him trying to hit his way through Sasuke's Enton defense. This proved NOTHING. :flaw:
Didnt u know? Sasuke fanboyism causes memory loss, loss of rationality and gives rise to tendency to lie to people by twisting the truth around their own imagination.
Haha you poor loser sausgay fan queer bag we naruto fans dominate you sausgay fans good thing you are giving up you annoying troll your more annoying than Sakura always saying "sausgay sausgay sausgay" just admit naruto will dominate sausgay
LMFAO! I JUST put the poll up. Give it a few hours. Plus, this thread is the #1 thread In NB atm. With over 580 post I dont think its going anywhere anytime soon. U_U.
i dont think shadow clones will be the death of sasuke. i would like to add that naruto said that he wants to beat sasuke on his own power does this mean that he wont use kurma?
also its almost a sure thing that sasuke will obtain rinnngen rather in one eye or both. plus a scroll that could boost him good
i thought the OP was talking about current sauske??????? not some future power he will get.
n using his own power now that kurma n him r talking n friendly who knows.. thats something nobody but kishi knows so i wont speculate on again a futuristic ability or trend.
point. who woulda guessed nagato would loose because of talk no jutsu?
Can u guys tell me: is Kurama made of soap bubbles present outside the sealing barrier?
No it is not, the real guy is solid and very much powerful, Sasuke only supressed the part that naturally leaks out of the seal to provide his chakra to protect Naruto See:
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Jirya says so and also adds that oro's seal stopped the process to make naruto weak. If a person can drink a glass of water can he drink a barrel full of water?
Also someone has to prove that MS or EMS increases the power of suppression of the Sharingan.
PLus ur comparing a bubble monster in
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with the actual monster behind the doors in
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who can do this
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if he is angry.
Last time Naruto was unprepared and taken aback by Sasuke in his mind, what makes u guys think that he wld be unprepared the next time and wont attack when Sasuke enters naruto's mind?
Also please link me where Sasuke managed to learn Kurama control thingy? Base Sharingan can do Izanagi and Izanami but can Sasuke do it? He didnt even know them.
Also Madara despite having a contact with Kurama (As he used Kurama once before, see
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) cld not control Kurama inside Naruto. What makes Sasuke any better.
Plus Naruto can force kurama like in this page:
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2. Sasuke Genjutsu one shot:
What is genjutsu?
Genjutsu are techniques that are employed in the same fashion as ninjutsu, requiring chakra and hand seals. However, the primary difference between the two is that the effects of genjutsu are illusory; instead of attacking the victim's body, like taijutsu or ninjutsu, genjutsu techniques manipulate the flow of chakra in the victim's brain, thus causing a disruption in their senses.
Nearly every form of genjutsu can be broken by a partner injecting chakra in to the victim to release the genjutsu,See:
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for proof and how elder chyo and Sakura break Itachi's much more powerful genjutsu
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and
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. . . . But for a perfect Jinkchuriki his partner is the biju so the friendly biju can inject chakra into his jink to break the genjutsu as explained by Bee in
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(Danzo said maybe Yagura was a perfect jink, note the maybe + Sasuke's genjutsu isnt that strong, Tobi killed Konan with his genjutsu a feat no one has.)
Now the detail that every one missed: A genjutsu is broken by injecting external chakra, and in KM and BM the external aka Kurama's chakra is already being injected into Naruto's body continiously so if a genjutsu in put on Naruto it will immediately be released due to Kurama's external chakra, bcos of this:
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. . . . Kurama himself pouring his chakra into Naruto just like Sakura and Chiyo.
There is nothing called paralysis genjutsu bcos everyone under a genjutsu goes to a stand still in the real world while they experience strange things in their mind. Much like taking a drug whose effects can be completely stopped instantly.
Plus a few other facts if Naruto keeps his distance and move about at a very high nearly instantaneous speed whose eyes is Sasuke gona look into?
Plus Naruto has his own frog song genjutsu, which does not depend on sight but hearing and can be cast from a great distance.
3. Amaterasu:
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Funny how people dont notice that in the picture only 6-7 Zetsu was set aflame by the Amaterasu Magamata rest are fine behind him. Also how can a person compare a zetsu clone to a flash stepping KM clone that is faster than A?
4. Susano: Well most people are forgetting that Sasuke's range is only at the front, his back side is his blind side. Considering Naruto's flash move Naruto can easily leave some clones to deal with Sasuke at the front while he move behind him to prpare a TBB or something. The clones may be fake but they are equally a threat especially when KM clones that can out run every form of Sasuke's attack.
5. TBB: People say Sasuke can deflect or dodge TBB, the TBB Naruto showed have nearly a mile of destruction radius and can be fired from quite a distance.
Plus why is everyone considering that Sasuke has infinite chakra? After getting EMS Sasuke has shown only: 1 minute of Final Susano *break* <1.5 minute of Final Susano *break* A amaterasu and about 5 minutes of complete susano. There is no proof Sasuke's chakra is higher now or EMS takes less chakra, while Naruto can keep up KM for at least and hour and BM for only 5 mins and if Naruto keeps dodging Sasuke's attacks and keep sending clones to do suicide attacks Sasuke wld run out of Chakra soon and then its game over.
Naruto's TBB destructive power is near combination the all the destructive power of all the TBB in this picture:
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Naruto goes BM and deflects all the TBB with speed alone. See:
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- Transformation to Bm begins and Hachi is surprised.
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- Transformation is complete, see Naruto's thick whisker marks that are the characteristic of BM
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- Naruto deflects 5 TBB with speed alone
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Naruto also has chakra sealed away independent of the ninetails so, Naruto would still have access to KM, whilst Sasuke would be very preoccupied and distracted. I don't see how that is a good outcome for him. See:
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Also if u see:
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U will notice that Each tail/hand has a KM clone that numbers to at least 5. They can act independently and hurl RS while the original prepares the TBB.
Kurama called Sasuke's powerful eyes and chakra sinister, which means evil not powerful.
Has none of the people seen the Polls? Even if 50% of them are fanboys and thus deducted Naruto still wins in the polls.
Might I add that Sasuke's Susano'o is without a doubt his strongest weapon. Now if we look at Madara's perfect susano'o, a form that is far superior to Sasuke's we can get some perspective. For starters this susano'o was able to destroy a mountain, something that the Bijuu dama's that naruto deflected all did as well. Now if we look at Naruto's Bijuu dama, it is equal to 5 TBB and therefore has the potential to destroy 5 mountains. This exceeds the power demonstrated by Madara's perfect susano'o (so far), and Madara's perfect susano'o far exceeds Sasuke's susano'o forms...so its not that hard to work out.
Naruto can quite easily make KM clones (if you haven't noticed) but then the original can shift into BM. With their speed they can easily position themselves so Sasuke has to decide which on to face KM clones or turn to face BM naruto. If he faces BM then the clones can bind him in place with chakra arms so he can't evade the TBB. If he faces the KM clones he risks a TBB to the back of the head...
Actually quite a few people have argued against it and no one has counter us as of yet. There is probably more examples buried in this thread, since I came in late and it seem as the the topic had come up more then once. But here are some of the recent ones (they were only a few pages back).
Can u guys tell me: is Kurama made of soap bubbles present outside the sealing barrier?
No it is not, the real guy is solid and very much powerful, Sasuke only supressed the part that naturally leaks out of the seal to provide his chakra to protect Naruto See:
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Jirya says so and also adds that oro's seal stopped the process to make naruto weak. If a person can drink a glass of water can he drink a barrel full of water?
Also someone has to prove that MS or EMS increases the power of suppression of the Sharingan.
PLus ur comparing a bubble monster in
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with the actual monster behind the doors in
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who can do this
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if he is angry.
Last time Naruto was unprepared and taken aback by Sasuke in his mind, what makes u guys think that he wld be unprepared the next time and wont attack when Sasuke enters naruto's mind?
Also please link me where Sasuke managed to learn Kurama control thingy? Base Sharingan can do Izanagi and Izanami but can Sasuke do it? He didnt even know them.
That was countered a number of times might I add. Also there is no evidence what so ever that EMS has better Kyuubi controlling potential. It comes down to the user (tobi is a good example). Also Sasuke has never controlled the 9-tails, and even if he did it would take a lot of his concentration to maintain that control.
Naruto also has chakra sealed away independent of the ninetails so I don't really see the point. Naruto would still have access to KM, whilst Sasuke would be very preoccupied and distracted. I don't see how that is a good outcome for him.
Another point you selectively neglect is that what Sasuke suppressed was the small amount of chakra that leaks out of the seal. I highly doubt, since he has never shown experience or tried, that he could maintain control on a chakra form that is said to be infinite. If he could why not do the same thing on Killer Bee when they fought?
Finally Kurama was locked in a cage at that point. If Sasuke tried to enter Naruto's mind again they could curb stomp him, as they have both been shown to be incredibly powerful in naruto's mind, something that Sasuke is unaware of. Also Sasuke doesn't know that Kurama isn't seal anymore.
the ems just grants the user to spam what ever that want without going blind there is no evidence that suggests that it will allow him to suppress all the kyuubi's chakra. the ms was said to be able to CONTROL a kyuubi not supress
Here you go, repeated from yet another post you ignored.
Tobi and Madara both controlled the Kyuubi with 3t sharingan, when Madara at least had EMS. There is no evidence that improving your eyes improves your ability to suppress Kurama's is pure speculation and is just as speculative if not more than the TBB arguments. Does your ability to copy techniques increase with MS, no showing that not every ability improves.
No, there is no evidence to suggest so. He suppress Kurama's chakra by pushing it back into the seal. With no seal existent where is he going to push the chakra back to? This must be at least the fifth time I've said this
sigh. once again the first point about surpressing/controlling/stopping what ever you want to call it is pure specualtion on naruto side. nothing is stated in the manga saying that a perfect jin cant be controled...
but oh wait wasnt the fouth mizkage tobi's bitch? wasnt he perfect jin? was the beast being controlled or was the fourth under genjutsu?
this once again are facts that the fourth mizkage was being controlled for awhile by the uchiha called tobi. and please....most of the votes for naruto were fans and haters you i both now that.
Clearly u didnt read. I mentioned everything. But as ur dead set i doubt u will ever read.
Sasuke's genjutsu isnt that strong, Tobi killed Konan with his genjutsu a feat no one has.
Also isnt votes for Sasuke are from haters and fans too?
So i ask u to read. Then comment on each point seperately.
Counter these please:
So lets go one topic at a time:
1. Sasuke can suppress Kurama:
Can u guys tell me: is Kurama made of soap bubbles present outside the sealing barrier?
No it is not, the real guy is solid and very much powerful, Sasuke only supressed the part that naturally leaks out of the seal to provide his chakra to protect Naruto See:
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Jirya says so and also adds that oro's seal stopped the process to make naruto weak. If a person can drink a glass of water can he drink a barrel full of water?
Also someone has to prove that MS or EMS increases the power of suppression of the Sharingan.
PLus ur comparing a bubble monster in
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with the actual monster behind the doors in
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who can do this
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if he is angry.
Last time Naruto was unprepared and taken aback by Sasuke in his mind, what makes u guys think that he wld be unprepared the next time and wont attack when Sasuke enters naruto's mind?
Also please link me where Sasuke managed to learn Kurama control thingy? Base Sharingan can do Izanagi and Izanami but can Sasuke do it? He didnt even know them.
Also Madara despite having a contact with Kurama (As he used Kurama once before, see
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) cld not control Kurama inside Naruto. What makes Sasuke any better.
Plus Naruto can force kurama like in this page:
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2. Sasuke Genjutsu one shot:
What is genjutsu?
Genjutsu are techniques that are employed in the same fashion as ninjutsu, requiring chakra and hand seals. However, the primary difference between the two is that the effects of genjutsu are illusory; instead of attacking the victim's body, like taijutsu or ninjutsu, genjutsu techniques manipulate the flow of chakra in the victim's brain, thus causing a disruption in their senses.
Nearly every form of genjutsu can be broken by a partner injecting chakra in to the victim to release the genjutsu,See:
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for proof and how elder chyo and Sakura break Itachi's much more powerful genjutsu
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and
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. . . . But for a perfect Jinkchuriki his partner is the biju so the friendly biju can inject chakra into his jink to break the genjutsu as explained by Bee in
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(Danzo said maybe Yagura was a perfect jink, note the maybe + Sasuke's genjutsu isnt that strong, Tobi killed Konan with his genjutsu a feat no one has. See:
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and
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)
Now the detail that every one missed: A genjutsu is broken by injecting external chakra, and in KM and BM the external aka Kurama's chakra is already being injected into Naruto's body continiously so if a genjutsu in put on Naruto it will immediately be released due to Kurama's external chakra, bcos of this:
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and
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. . . . Kurama himself pouring his chakra into Naruto just like Sakura and Chiyo.
There is nothing called paralysis genjutsu bcos everyone under a genjutsu goes to a stand still in the real world while they experience strange things in their mind. Much like taking a drug whose effects can be completely stopped instantly.
Plus a few other facts if Naruto keeps his distance and move about at a very high nearly instantaneous speed whose eyes is Sasuke gona look into?
Plus Naruto has his own frog song genjutsu, which does not depend on sight but hearing and can be cast from a great distance.
3. Amaterasu:
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Funny how people dont notice that in the picture only 6-7 Zetsu was set aflame by the Amaterasu Magamata rest are fine behind him. Also how can a person compare a zetsu clone to a flash stepping KM clone that is faster than A?
4. Susano: Well most people are forgetting that Sasuke's range is only at the front, his back side is his blind side. Considering Naruto's flash move Naruto can easily leave some clones to deal with Sasuke at the front while he move behind him to prpare a TBB or something. The clones may be fake but they are equally a threat especially when KM clones that can out run every form of Sasuke's attack.
5. TBB: People say Sasuke can deflect or dodge TBB, the TBB Naruto showed have nearly a mile of destruction radius and can be fired from quite a distance.
Plus why is everyone considering that Sasuke has infinite chakra? After getting EMS Sasuke has shown only: 1 minute of Final Susano *break* <1.5 minute of Final Susano *break* A amaterasu and about 5 minutes of complete susano. There is no proof Sasuke's chakra is higher now or EMS takes less chakra, while Naruto can keep up KM for at least and hour and BM for only 5 mins and if Naruto keeps dodging Sasuke's attacks and keep sending clones to do suicide attacks Sasuke wld run out of Chakra soon and then its game over.
Naruto's TBB destructive power is near combination the all the destructive power of all the TBB in this picture:
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Naruto goes BM and deflects all the TBB with speed alone. See:
1.
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- Transformation to Bm begins and Hachi is surprised.
2.
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- Transformation is complete, see Naruto's thick whisker marks that are the characteristic of BM
3.
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- Naruto deflects 5 TBB with speed alone
4.
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Naruto also has chakra sealed away independent of the ninetails so, Naruto would still have access to KM, whilst Sasuke would be very preoccupied and distracted. I don't see how that is a good outcome for him. See:
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Also if u see:
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2.
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U will notice that Each tail/hand has a KM clone that numbers to at least 5. They can act independently and hurl RS while the original prepares the TBB.
Kurama called Sasuke's powerful eyes and chakra sinister, which means evil not powerful.
Has none of the people seen the Polls? Even if 50% of them are fanboys and thus deducted Naruto still wins in the polls.
Can u guys tell me: is Kurama made of soap bubbles present outside the sealing barrier?
No it is not, the real guy is solid and very much powerful, Sasuke only supressed the part that naturally leaks out of the seal to provide his chakra to protect Naruto See:
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Jirya says so and also adds that oro's seal stopped the process to make naruto weak. If a person can drink a glass of water can he drink a barrel full of water?
Also someone has to prove that MS or EMS increases the power of suppression of the Sharingan.
PLus ur comparing a bubble monster in
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with the actual monster behind the doors in
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who can do this
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if he is angry.
Last time Naruto was unprepared and taken aback by Sasuke in his mind, what makes u guys think that he wld be unprepared the next time and wont attack when Sasuke enters naruto's mind?
Also please link me where Sasuke managed to learn Kurama control thingy? Base Sharingan can do Izanagi and Izanami but can Sasuke do it? He didnt even know them.
Also Madara despite having a contact with Kurama (As he used Kurama once before) cld not control Kurama inside Naruto. What makes Sasuke any better.
Plus Naruto can force kurama like in this page:
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2. Sasuke Genjutsu one shot:
What is genjutsu?
Genjutsu are techniques that are employed in the same fashion as ninjutsu, requiring chakra and hand seals. However, the primary difference between the two is that the effects of genjutsu are illusory; instead of attacking the victim's body, like taijutsu or ninjutsu, genjutsu techniques manipulate the flow of chakra in the victim's brain, thus causing a disruption in their senses.
Nearly every form of genjutsu can be broken by a partner injecting chakra in to the victim to release the genjutsu,See:
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for proof and how elder chyo and Sakura break Itachi's much more powerful genjutsu
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and
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. . . . But for a perfect Jinkchuriki his partner is the biju so the friendly biju can inject chakra into his jink to break the genjutsu as explained by Bee in
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(Danzo said maybe Yagura was a perfect jink, note the maybe)
Now the detail that every one missed: A genjutsu is broken by injecting external chakra, and in KM and BM the external aka Kurama's chakra is already being injected into Naruto's body continiously so if a genjutsu in put on Naruto it will immediately be released due to Kurama's external chakra, bcos of this:
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and
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. . . . Kurama himself pouring his chakra into Naruto just like Sakura and Chiyo.
There is nothing called paralysis genjutsu bcos everyone under a genjutsu goes to a stand still in the real world while they experience strange things in their mind. Much like taking a drug whose effects can be completely stopped instantly.
Plus a few other facts if Naruto keeps his distance and move about at a very high nearly instantaneous speed whose eyes is Sasuke gona look into?
Plus Naruto has his own frog song genjutsu, which does not depend on sight but hearing and can be cast from a great distance.
3. Amaterasu:
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Funny how people dont notice that in the picture only 6-7 Zetsu was set aflame by the Amaterasu Magamata rest are fine behind him. Also how can a person compare a zetsu clone to a flash stepping KM clone that is faster than A?
4. Susano: Well most people are forgetting that Sasuke's range is only at the front, his back side is his blind side. Considering Naruto's flash move Naruto can easily leave some clones to deal with Sasuke at the front while he move behind him to prpare a TBB or something. The clones may be fake but they are equally a threat especially when KM clones that can out run every form of Sasuke's attack.
5. TBB: People say Sasuke can deflect or dodge TBB, the TBB Naruto showed have nearly a mile of destruction radius and can be fired from quite a distance.
Plus why is everyone considering that Sasuke has infinite chakra? After getting EMS Sasuke has shown only: 1 minute of Final Susano *break* <1.5 minute of Final Susano *break* A amaterasu and about 5 minutes of complete susano. There is no proof Sasuke's chakra is higher now or EMS takes less chakra, while Naruto can keep up KM for at least and hour and BM for only 5 mins and if Naruto keeps dodging Sasuke's attacks and keep sending clones to do suicide attacks Sasuke wld run out of Chakra soon and then its game over.
Naruto's TBB destructive power is near combination the all the destructive power of all the TBB in this picture:
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Naruto goes BM and deflects all the TBB with speed alone. See:
1.
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- Transformation to Bm begins and Hachi is surprised.
2.
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- Transformation is complete, see Naruto's thick whisker marks that are the characteristic of BM
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- Naruto deflects 5 TBB with speed alone
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Naruto also has chakra sealed away independent of the ninetails so, Naruto would still have access to KM, whilst Sasuke would be very preoccupied and distracted. I don't see how that is a good outcome for him. See:
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Also if u see:
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U will notice that Each tail/hand has a KM clone that numbers to at least 5. They can act independently and hurl RS while the original prepares the TBB.
Kurama called Sasuke's powerful eyes and chakra sinister, which means evil not powerful.
Has none of the people seen the Polls? Even if 50% of them are fanboys and thus deducted Naruto still wins in the polls.
Holy crap, I read your post before but I didn't click on all of the links. The section that I left un spoilered proves without a doubt that Naruto can be in BM and still make at minimum 5 KM clones....that is ridiculously OP. Also lends itself to my idea that KM clones can use chakra arms to hold Susanoo down whilst TBB gets launched (not that it takes long to charge anyway).
sigh. once again the first point about surpressing/controlling/stopping what ever you want to call it is pure specualtion on naruto side. nothing is stated in the manga saying that a perfect jin cant be controled...
but oh wait wasnt the fouth mizkage tobi's bitch? wasnt he perfect jin? was the beast being controlled or was the fourth under genjutsu?
this once again are facts that the fourth mizkage was being controlled for awhile by the uchiha called tobi. and please....most of the votes for naruto were fans and haters you i both now that.
Saying that sasuke can control Kurama is also pure speculation. Sasuke isn't Madara or Tobi. Sasuke has never controlled a tail beast, nor is his genjutsu strong enough to hold a perfect jinchuriki (proven by Bee). What Sasuke suppressed was only a very small fraction of kurama's chakra, the small amount that was allowed to leak out of the seal (hence why he looked like soap bubbles). There is no way that Sasuke has the ability to control a living mass of chakra that has said to be infinite in capacity - especially since he has no experience controlling a tailed beast. If having a sharingan allows you to instantly control tailed beast why didn't the Uchiha clan have all of them? Why didn't Sasuke control the 8-tails against Bee?
Also your point about Yagura is irrelevant since Tobi has been shown to be the best at controlling Tailed beasts, yet Sasuke is not Tobi and Sasuke has no experience controlling a Tailed Beast.
That was countered a number of times might I add. Also there is no evidence what so ever that EMS has better Kyuubi controlling potential. It comes down to the user (tobi is a good example). Also Sasuke has never controlled the 9-tails, and even if he did it would take a lot of his concentration to maintain that control.
Naruto also has chakra sealed away independent of the ninetails so I don't really see the point. Naruto would still have access to KM, whilst Sasuke would be very preoccupied and distracted. I don't see how that is a good outcome for him.
Another point you selectively neglect is that what Sasuke suppressed was the small amount of chakra that leaks out of the seal. I highly doubt, since he has never shown experience or tried, that he could maintain control on a chakra form that is said to be infinite. If he could why not do the same thing on Killer Bee when they fought?
Finally Kurama was locked in a cage at that point. If Sasuke tried to enter Naruto's mind again they could curb stomp him, as they have both been shown to be incredibly powerful in naruto's mind, something that Sasuke is unaware of. Also Sasuke doesn't know that Kurama isn't seal anymore.
But I hardly think you will actually respond to this since you seem to have a lot of trouble being able to see my posts.
If sasuke turns that leaves himself open to being held down by the clones chakra arms. Therefore he is either pinned in place or thrown into an oncoming TBB. Think about it...
-Proof that it will take a lot out of Sasuke? It was easy as hell for Tobi and Madara to take care of 100% Kurama, and 3 tomoe Sasuke handle the bubble version like nothing.
- If there is no kurama there is no KM. After sasuke glared at him the ninetails chakra went away. Also even if he had KM he will still lose.
- Again I'll say it again, this is not mokuton. Sharingan does not control ALL tailed beasts, in the manga it was said numerous time how sharingan could only control Kurama.
-Again, 100% Kurama could not curb stomp Madara who possesed the same EMS as Sasuke. he will stirp Narutoof kurama and then naruto is done for,
Can u guys tell me: is Kurama made of soap bubbles present outside the sealing barrier?
No it is not, the real guy is solid and very much powerful, Sasuke only supressed the part that naturally leaks out of the seal to provide his chakra to protect Naruto See:
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Jirya says so and also adds that oro's seal stopped the process to make naruto weak. If a person can drink a glass of water can he drink a barrel full of water?
Also someone has to prove that MS or EMS increases the power of suppression of the Sharingan.
PLus ur comparing a bubble monster in
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with the actual monster behind the doors in
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who can do this
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if he is angry.
Last time Naruto was unprepared and taken aback by Sasuke in his mind, what makes u guys think that he wld be unprepared the next time and wont attack when Sasuke enters naruto's mind?
Also please link me where Sasuke managed to learn Kurama control thingy? Base Sharingan can do Izanagi and Izanami but can Sasuke do it? He didnt even know them.
Also Madara despite having a contact with Kurama (As he used Kurama once before) cld not control Kurama inside Naruto. What makes Sasuke any better.
2. Sasuke Genjutsu one shot:
What is genjutsu?
Genjutsu are techniques that are employed in the same fashion as ninjutsu, requiring chakra and hand seals. However, the primary difference between the two is that the effects of genjutsu are illusory; instead of attacking the victim's body, like taijutsu or ninjutsu, genjutsu techniques manipulate the flow of chakra in the victim's brain, thus causing a disruption in their senses.
Nearly every form of genjutsu can be broken by a partner injecting chakra in to the victim to release the genjutsu,See:
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for proof and how elder chyo and Sakura break Itachi's much more powerful genjutsu
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. . . . But for a perfect Jinkchuriki his partner is the biju so the friendly biju can inject chakra into his jink to break the genjutsu as explained by Bee in
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(Danzo said maybe Yagura was a perfect jink, note the maybe)
Now the detail that every one missed: A genjutsu is broken by injecting external chakra, and in KM and BM the external aka Kurama's chakra is already being injected into Naruto's body continiously so if a genjutsu in put on Naruto it will immediately be released due to Kurama's external chakra, bcos of this:
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. . . . Kurama himself pouring his chakra into Naruto just like Sakura and Chiyo.
There is nothing called paralysis genjutsu bcos everyone under a genjutsu goes to a stand still in the real world while they experience strange things in their mind. Much like taking a drug whose effects can be completely stopped instantly.
Plus a few other facts if Naruto keeps his distance and move about at a very high nearly instantaneous speed whose eyes is Sasuke gona look into?
Plus Naruto has his own frog song genjutsu, which does not depend on sight but hearing and can be cast from a great distance.
3. Amaterasu:
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Funny how people dont notice that in the picture only 6-7 Zetsu was set aflame by the Amaterasu Magamata rest are fine behind him. Also how can a person compare a zetsu clone to a flash stepping KM clone that is faster than A?
4. Susano: Well most people are forgetting that Sasuke's range is only at the front, his back side is his blind side. Considering Naruto's flash move Naruto can easily leave some clones to deal with Sasuke at the front while he move behind him to prpare a TBB or something. The clones may be fake but they are equally a threat especially when KM clones that can out run every form of Sasuke's attack.
5. TBB: People say Sasuke can deflect or dodge TBB, the TBB Naruto showed have nearly a mile of destruction radius and can be fired from quite a distance.
Plus why is everyone considering that Sasuke has infinite chakra? After getting EMS Sasuke has shown only: 1 minute of Final Susano *break* <1.5 minute of Final Susano *break* A amaterasu and about 5 minutes of complete susano. There is no proof Sasuke's chakra is higher now or EMS takes less chakra, while Naruto can keep up KM for at least and hour and BM for only 5 mins and if Naruto keeps dodging Sasuke's attacks and keep sending clones to do suicide attacks Sasuke wld run out of Chakra soon and then its game over.
Naruto's TBB destructive power is near combination the all the destructive power of all the TBB in this picture:
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Naruto goes BM and deflects all the TBB with speed alone. See:
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- Transformation to Bm begins and Hachi is surprised.
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- Transformation is complete, see Naruto's thick whisker marks that are the characteristic of BM
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- Naruto deflects 5 TBB with speed alone
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Naruto also has chakra sealed away independent of the ninetails so, Naruto would still have access to KM, whilst Sasuke would be very preoccupied and distracted. I don't see how that is a good outcome for him. See:
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U will notice that Each tail/hand has a KM clone that numbers to at least 5. They can act independently and hurl RS while the original prepares the TBB.
Kurama called Sasuke's powerful eyes and chakra sinister, which means evil not powerful.
Has none of the people seen the Polls? Even if 50% of them are fanboys and thus deducted Naruto still wins in the polls.
P.S The Kurama Naruto has is 50% and Madara was able to take full control of the 100%version. with ease.
Also Madara did not use his sharingan like the scan I posted but rather a summoning which are 2 different things.
Your going to tell me if Edo Madara looked inside Naruto's sub conscience he could not take back a 50% Kurama?
As to Naruto being weak and unprepared that's invalid, your going to say he will never look Sasuke in the eyes then?
2. Genjutsu was never an argument, you wasted your time there will a pointless wall of text.
3. The zetsu clones were just a test, that's like Naruto using WS: Rasengan to take out Sakura, why the hell would he use RasenShuriken when thats all he needs?
Clearly Sasuke would use a better varient of the technique, you honestly believe we've seen everything EMS Sasuke can do?
4. We've seen how durable Susano'o ribcage is, that's all we've seen and it made Sasuke survive Gaara, Raikage, Mei, and Danzo.
You believe V3 complete susano'o will break like nothing? front or back
You've seen what V1 Susano'o arrows can do, now your going to sit here and say V3 Enton covered Arrows won't be fast enough tohit naruto's BM/KM speed or even hit naruto before he even uses a TBB.
5. As for TBB i don't even have to mention how safe Sasuke is to do kirin, in his new state using a technique that doesn't require any chakra + the fact that it's too fast to dodge while inside a Giant dome seems like it can kill every naruto clone + Naruto.
P.S On that note, Sasuke's susano'o didn't break at all. Kabuto White Rage technique stopped the eyesight and sounds of the bros. No eye's no Susano'o
sigh. once again the first point about surpressing/controlling/stopping what ever you want to call it is pure specualtion on naruto side. nothing is stated in the manga saying that a perfect jin cant be controled...
but oh wait wasnt the fouth mizkage tobi's bitch? wasnt he perfect jin? was the beast being controlled or was the fourth under genjutsu?
this once again are facts that the fourth mizkage was being controlled for awhile by the uchiha called tobi. and please....most of the votes for naruto were fans and haters you i both now that.
lmao hours later and your still mad kid. stop rideing my nut sack every post you make is about me. idgaf how much u name call me and talk slick the point is i and the others have put up STONED COLD FACTS AND PICS FROM THE MANGA AND ARE ARGUEING ON IT. i dont know why your trolling so hard :sy: let it go. or are you trying to reach 100 pages?
in anycase stop rideing my nuts please :sy:
please dont make me have to go back in this thread and multi quote and school you like i did mick nerds. the sasuke side which started this war about surpressing kurma which has been shown proof thurout the thread, and how amatersu and base sharagin would elimante and see thur naruto shadw clones. all of what i just said is basically what ive been arugeing.
yes its up for debate about the surpressing of kurma, but your trolling and calling us stupid and this and that because of the debate. my adivce is to grow up and relize things dont go your way.
I've never seen such an efficient exercise in total self-destruction. You have made yourself look like such a raging arsehole to virtually everyone, on both sides of the spectrum.
It also doesn't help that I can't understand half the shit you rage typed out just now. Calm the fk down and take your time when you comment, it works wonders in giving you the ability to not make yourself look like a complete ass.
very confusing arguments @-@
i thought the story is about Naruto changing the ninja world(true peace) and saving his friend (Sasuke) from his auto destruction.........i know they are going to fight because that's how they can communicate, my question is how can Naruto save Sasuke if he gets beaten by Sasuke?
What is very true? Stop sitting on the fence and make a statement, you aren't contributing anything to this argument/debate, except snide comments vaguely acknowledging points I suspect you don't even understand yourself.
-Proof that it will take a lot out of Sasuke? It was easy as hell for Tobi and Madara to take care of 100% Kurama, and 3 tomoe Sasuke handle the bubble version like nothing.
- If there is no kurama there is no KM. After sasuke glared at him the ninetails chakra went away. Also even if he had KM he will still lose.
- Again I'll say it again, this is not mokuton. Sharingan does not control ALL tailed beasts, in the manga it was said numerous time how sharingan could only control Kurama.
-Again, 100% Kurama could not curb stomp Madara who possesed the same EMS as Sasuke. he will stirp Narutoof kurama and then naruto is done for
The bubble version was only a very small fraction of Kurama's power (the portion allowed to leak out of the seal). To tame the real fox would take a lot of concentration on Sasuke's part since he has never done it before. Do you really expect him to just waltz in and tame an infinite living charka source like it is nothing? The Fox can resist and even then what is Sasuke going to do make the kyuubi go back into the seal that doesn't exist anymore?
Naruto has KM chakra independent of the Fox. If Kurama is down he still has it - since its use isn't dependant on Kurama. I don't understand why people don't understand this. Also KM clones have chakra arms they can hold susano'o down or throw sasuke out. So KM is still more then a match for current sasuke, on there own they are Kage level, imagine if they work together.
Again Sasuke is not madara, he does not have the same EMS as Sasuke. They are different/ unique to each other. By your logic since Tobi did it, Kakashi should be able to control the 9-tails? No, it depends on the user and Sasuke has no experience at controlling Kurama and to date can only suppress a small amount of the fox's potential.
Finally we have never seen Madara vs. Hashi. How can a MS Madara = Hashi but an EMS Madara < Hashi. Because he brought the fox. There is every reason to expect that Madara's downfall was because he had to fight and control the ninetails.
What is very true? Stop sitting on the fence and make a statement, you aren't contributing anything to this argument/debate, except snide comments vaguely acknowledging points I suspect you don't even understand yourself.
hmmm so just cuz I'm agreeing with cold hard facts from the statement made u think im not contributing haha... well I guess its time that I contribute
1.naruto may have the new 9 tail power but it just doesn't compare 2 sasuke's new susano'o hell naruto got blown back by a weak sasuke when they jutsu clashed after the sasuke and danzo battle
2.naruto can't even handle beating the masked man/tobi with his new power
3.sasuke was able 2 handle the 5 kage and lived 2 tell the story and that was with his original susano'o with his EMS and his new susano'o he should without a dout be able 2 handle a punk bitch like naruto :flaw:
4.not really part of the debate but the creator of naruto has said that his favorite character is sasuke uchiha so favortism could take over and showing a bit of favortism sasuke has beat naruto in battle be4 (final valley) and he was using the cursed mark now he has the susano'o, EMS, amaterasu, many forms of chidori, and greater battle and technique intel than naruto
1. Monster bubble or not he still took control. Sure Kicking a cotton ball and kicking a iron ball is same. Plain bs.
P.S The Kurama Naruto has is 50% and Madara was able to take full control of the 100%version. with ease.Sasuke is not Madara. Plu u have to prove that Sasuke knows the tech to control Kurama. Sasuke didnt even know abou Izanagi and Izanami, Tobi and Itachi had to explain. So a little less speculation?
Also Madara did not use his sharingan like the scan I posted but rather a summoning which are 2 different things. A summoning means a contract, its a deeper bond.
Your going to tell me if Edo Madara looked inside Naruto's sub conscience he could not take back a 50% Kurama? Did Madara looked into Naruto present then? No he didnt. He instead complained that Kurama is still in his jink.
As to Naruto being weak and unprepared that's invalid, your going to say he will never look Sasuke in the eyes then? Ur point is invalid if u havnt noticed Naruto grovelling on the ground and also ignored the fact that Naruto just stood still like puppet in his subconscious, very much unlike the time he was fighting Kurama.
2. Genjutsu was never an argument, you wasted your time there will a pointless wall of text.
3. The zetsu clones were just a test, that's like Naruto using WS: Rasengan to take out Sakura, why the hell would he use RasenShuriken when thats all he needs?
Clearly Sasuke would use a better varient of the technique, you honestly believe we've seen everything EMS Sasuke can do? Ahem does the term 'current Sasuke' means anything to u . . . plus do u know what the other 8 biju gave to Naruto?
4. We've seen how durable Susano'o ribcage is, that's all we've seen and it made Sasuke survive Gaara, Raikage, Mei, and Danzo.
You believe V3 complete susano'o will break like nothing? front or back Is TBB a plaything?
You've seen what V1 Susano'o arrows can do, now your going to sit here and say V3 Enton covered Arrows won't be fast enough tohit naruto's BM/KM speed or even hit naruto before he even uses a TBB. Danzo deflected a arrow with Mokuton and Kakashi kamuied another arrow. So u mean to say that a Naruto wld stand in a place like puppet?
5. As for TBB i don't even have to mention how safe Sasuke is to do kirin, in his new state using a technique that doesn't require any chakra + the fact that it's too fast to dodge while inside a Giant dome seems like it can kill every naruto clone + Naruto. Do u know the requirements of Kirin? Surprise 'storm clouds' . . . . plus your forgetting Naruto can just run really far away.
P.S On that note, Sasuke's susano'o didn't break at all. Kabuto White Rage technique stopped the eyesight and sounds of the bros. No eye's no Susano'o
U missed a fair few points like:
Plus why is everyone considering that Sasuke has infinite chakra? After getting EMS Sasuke has shown only: 1 minute of Final Susano *break* <1.5 minute of Final Susano *break* A amaterasu and about 5 minutes of complete susano. There is no proof Sasuke's chakra is higher now or EMS takes less chakra, while Naruto can keep up KM for at least and hour and BM for only 5 mins and if Naruto keeps dodging Sasuke's attacks and keep sending clones to do suicide attacks Sasuke wld run out of Chakra soon and then its game over.
Also got any proof that MS and EMS increases suppression power?
i didnt read everything because its noramly the same with your type. but you actually did a good job tho i think you just edited it[ i could be wrong] fourth was a perfect jin just like naruto and bee but he was tooled by tobi genjutsu/sharagin. you dont know how powerfully sasuke genjutsu/sharagin is because he caught bee another pefert jin, mabye not nearly as long as tobi but he still caught him.
who knows what sasuke genjutsu/sharagin can do now, from the itachi power up and scroll. to say sasuke genjutsu isnt that strong even after what he did to the 8tails is crazy talk.
I edited? Danzo himself said maybe Yagura was a perfect jink i provided every single fact and but ur such a superior breed of human that u understood every word i put up without reading, surely i salute u for understanding without out reading. Plus if ur asking about future prospects did u forget that Naruto used BM for only 5 mins? Plus the fact other 8 biju gave 'something' to Naruto and Kurama recognized Naruto as the person who according to sage wld unite them lead them down the correct path.
The bubble version was only a very small fraction of Kurama's power (the portion allowed to leak out of the seal). To tame the real fox would take a lot of concentration on Sasuke's part since he has never done it before. Do you really expect him to just waltz in and tame an infinite living charka source like it is nothing? The Fox can resist and even then what is Sasuke going to do make the kyuubi go back into the seal that doesn't exist anymore?
Naruto has KM chakra independent of the Fox. If Kurama is down he still has it - since its use isn't dependant on Kurama. I don't understand why people don't understand this. Also KM clones have chakra arms they can hold susano'o down or throw sasuke out. So KM is still more then a match for current sasuke, on there own they are Kage level, imagine if they work together.
Again Sasuke is not madara, he does not have the same EMS as Sasuke. They are different/ unique to each other. By your logic since Tobi did it, Kakashi should be able to control the 9-tails? No, it depends on the user and Sasuke has no experience at controlling Kurama and to date can only suppress a small amount of the fox's potential.
Finally we have never seen Madara vs. Hashi. How can a MS Madara = Hashi but an EMS Madara < Hashi. Because he brought the fox. There is every reason to expect that Madara's downfall was because he had to fight and control the ninetails.
-You say he only suppressed a small portion, but again sasuke only had 3 tomoe. Sadly as silly as it sounds there is no proof that he can't just waltz in there, He's done it before, Tobi has, as has Madara.
- Like i said, if all he has is KM and SM he will definitely lose. MS sasuke was Kage level and if KM = kage level what does that make EMS?
As for the arms, how will they touch an Enton Covered Susano'o, not like sasuke will just stand still and let naruto grab him everywhere.
- Kakashi is not an Uchiha and there is no proof that Tobi isn.t He did after all have Sharingan in both eyes. So no kakashi cannot do it.
- MS Madara fought Hashi multiple times but on the battlefield 1 on 1 fights and war are 2 different things and you know that, so your logic does not apply to the 1 on 1 fight.
lol you have opend a can of whoop ass on that hater. i already know what he is going to say. he is going to use college level nerd typeing and call you all types of idoits and dumbass. but hasnt a clue what is going on. i dont think i even heard him say anything relevent to naruto :sy:
does this mean that he wont use kurma? 
