Why do people feel the need to bash religion?

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Please read the entire post before commenting. I don't want this to turn into a senseless argument because you failed to read what I had to say and assumed that I said something else entirely.


I find it disgusting when people need to assert their beliefs onto others, both religious people and atheists included.

If you don't believe in something, then that's fine, there's no reason to go out and call other people's beliefs stupid or fake.

Every religion has its bad apples, but they don't speak for the entire group. So why do people assume that all religious people are invasive with their beliefs or are just less intelligent?

Religious people still know and believe in science, they just choose to have faith in something else as well.

I see threads about religion pop up on this forum almost every week and it is just sickening as to how people don't respect others views on the subject.

From observation, I found that many people become atheist because religious views were pushed onto them forcefully and it dismayed them from believing in it. So why do atheists complain about it, then proceed to do the same thing? It's ironic really.

No individual believes in something without being skeptical about it, but listening and asking the right questions will lead to a better understanding as to why they believe in it in the first place, without having to quarrel and bicker like a couple of tweens hitting puberty.

People have different reasons to believe in something; some might find peace or a purpose in their life, which makes them happy. To me, I view religion as bringing hope and hope is the most important aspect in human nature. Without hope, we simply crumble.

So when atheists specifically, bash religion and claim it is all just a hoax, I find it offensive and naive that someone finds pleasure in attempting to destroy another person's hope and peace in life.

What does it matter what others believe in? As long as they are happy and aren't affecting your lives or the lives of others negatively, then there is no reason to do that because we all live and exist in this world striving for happiness anyways; we just have different ways of achieving it.
 
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I don't usually post in these sorta threads, well, directed to religion mainly. You Know what? You're correct. Some people just look at those topics in a very insular way. I have read some really weird things, like, really, aberrant, stuff.
 

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Funny thing is, some science evidences actually support religion's beliefs. People just think their opinion is what matters.
Truly? Do give me the source of this information.

Being the semi-non-believer that I am, I do want this information.



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Beliefs are like a penis. It's okay to have one, and it's good that you're proud of it.
But there's no need to go shove it down someone's throat
 

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Yeah, it is true. You see people trying to force their belief or disbelief into other people without really wondering what their opinion or facts might be. I don't really interact with those, since in my opinion, you believe in what you want to believe and there is no way around it :)
 
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It's always the same members, since 2011 i joined i've seen not more than 5 members doing these stupid bashing threads full of ignorance, i won't list them to not offense anyone.
 

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Just try to distinguish faith and religion...please...

Religions are (most of them) made to divide people. :)

Peace.
Same thing could be said with culture and tradition. They divide people, but that's not a bad thing. Believing in something different can lead to new ideas by the examples of others.

Communism on the other hand meant to unify people by abolishing religion and trying to make people think and believe in the same way. Yet we all know how that turned out.
 

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Truly? Do give me the source of this information.

Being the semi-non-believer that I am, I do want this information.



OT:

Beliefs are like a penis. It's okay to have one, and it's good that you're proud of it.
But there's no need to go shove it down someone's throat
There is the shrink of the moon, which scientists have conducted researches, and the moon had cracks and was shrunk +1000.

Apollo mission photographs of the Rima Ariadaeus revealed a rift line across the surface of the moon. A 2004 book by Zaghloul El-Naggar reproduces one of these photographs and says that British Muslim David Musa Pidcock told him he had seen a 1978 "program" (sic) in which he claimed that unnamed US space scientists had said that "the moon had been split a long time ago and rejoined, and there is a lot of concrete evidence on the surface of the moon to prove this".[16] This was reported as proof of splitting by news services such as Jafariya News[17][18] and on Internet Web sites. On being asked in 2010, NASA scientist Brad Bailey said, "My recommendation is to not believe everything you read on the internet. Peer-reviewed papers are the only scientifically valid sources of information out there. No current scientific evidence reports that the Moon was split into two (or more) parts and then reassembled at any point in the past."[7]
[video=youtube;Gvljl2TlsY4]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gvljl2TlsY4[/video]

Prophet Muhammed's miracle is what caused this - it's mentioned in Islam:

There are also other scientific documentations, which you can research and see in Youtube - videos explained by scientific proofs God exists.
 

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It's because it's a human natrue to blame everything on the other and religion isn't anything different , religion hate is still going to exits and trying to stop it with all my respect is just foolish, human ignorance will never disappear
 

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As an atheist, while I personally don't care much for the Richard Dawkinsian type of atheistic proselytism, I also refuse to give deference to political correctness etc when it comes down to an honest discussion of religion, especially certain ones. My honest opinion of Islam, for example, is that, attempts to liberalize it notwithstanding (imo futile), it is a backward, militant and totalitarian ideology that never left the 7th century (in fact it inherently cannot, see the concept of "bidah"); in turn, Im sure many Muslims are obliged to believe Im a decadent degenerate kaffir ipso facto and I don't really give a sh1t.
 

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As an atheist, while I personally don't care much for the Richard Dawkinsian type of atheistic proselytism, I also refuse to give deference to political correctness etc when it comes down to an honest discussion of religion, especially certain ones. My honest opinion of Islam, for example, is that, attempts to liberalize it notwithstanding (imo futile), it is a backward, militant and totalitarian ideology that never left the 7th century (in fact it inherently cannot, see the concept of "bidah"); in turn, Im sure many Muslims are obliged to believe Im a decadent degenerate kaffir ipso facto and I don't really give a sh1t.
I respectfully disagree. Just look at Indonesia, it holds the largest population of Muslims than any other country and it is a genuinely peaceful region.

Most of the problems in Middle East come from political hiccups and sexism rather than religious. Religion is just a scapegoat in order to gain and maintain power for certain individuals, that's not to say they practice the religion the way it is supposed to be.

That is exactly the same way communism worked as well. It was meant to make everyone as equals but obviously the government took advantage of that.

Like I said in my thread, no matter how pure the message is, humans will always find a way to twist its meaning.
 
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I believe in a "God" and that "God" is Jesus Christ to me. I have not been baptised nor have I gone to church on a daily basis since more than probably 10 years ago. Although I have went a couple times recently. I will pray and have. God is a big influence in my life and I will use his willpower and take on his shielding as I venture deeper into life.

But I am not full on Catholic, which is my religion.

As bad as it will look, or sound, for the creation of earth and the universe, life as well, I believe in Science.
 

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Well..there are some hateful words in a specific book, which in my opinion leads to bad things. I dont blame the people at all but the core of the religion, which should be modernized.
 

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I respectfully disagree. Just look at Indonesia, it holds the largest population of Muslims than any other country and it is a genuinely peaceful region.

Most of the problems in Middle East come from political hiccups and sexism rather than religious. Religion is just a scapegoat in order to gain and maintain power for certain individuals, that's not to say they practice the religion the way it is supposed to be.

That is exactly the same way communism worked as well. It was meant to make everyone as equals but obviously the government took advantage of that.

Like I said in my thread, no matter how pure the message is, humans will always find a way to twist its meaning.
I don't disagree that most of the Muslim population isn't intrinsically militant but I have to disagree on their religion being peaceful. I have read an English translation of the Quran -and honestly it was just the Old Testament all over again- and I have read a biography or two of prophet Mohammed (one, the Sealed Nectar, was recommended to me as the best by Orthodox Sunni Muslims). And I found that there is a palpable difference between say the Quran/Mohammed and Buddhism/Buddha no matter how you slice it friend.

I also do not disagree that the mess that is the Middle East is far more complicated than what the Neocons make it out to be -and I probably have a more cynical view of human nature than you -but this does not mean that Islam does not lend itself to conflict and terrorism, as compared to most other religions and even ideologies. Are you honestly telling me that you believe that, all else being equal, Buddhism has played a larger role in war, destruction etc throughout history compared to Islam?
 

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I don't disagree that most of the Muslim population isn't intrinsically militant but I have to disagree on their religion being peaceful. I have read an English translation of the Quran -and honestly it was just the Old Testament all over again- and I have read a biography or two of prophet Mohammed (one, the Sealed Nectar, was recommended to me as the best by Orthodox Sunni Muslims). And I found that there is a palpable difference between say the Quran/Mohammed and Buddhism/Buddha no matter how you slice it friend.

I also do not disagree that the mess that is the Middle East is far more complicated than what the Neocons make it out to be -and I probably have a more cynical view of human nature than you -but this does not mean that Islam does not lend itself to conflict and terrorism, as compared to most other religions and even ideologies. Are you honestly telling me that you believe that, all else being equal, Buddhism has played a larger role in war, destruction etc throughout history compared to Islam?
Buddhism is a way of life, not necessarily a religion with doctrines conforming to the wills of deities. You can be Buddhist and still be Christian, Muslim, etc.

That's why I'd say it's an unfair comparison. That's not to say that Buddhist hasn't had its bad moments either. There are accounts of Monks in Asia, whom revered as Gurus, abuse their influence on other people, extorting money and food from villages so they could live comfortably, or even forcing sexual practices.

But I would argue that if a person can twist a pure meaning into something bad, then one can interpret a morally ambiguous message into something good.

That's what people did with the Bible and the Quran. Times change and so do the interpretations of the messages within their religion.
 
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