[Discussion] Why do people consider Sasuke a Criminal?

[poopieface]

There's a video game called Soul Calibur & in that game, there's this powerful weapon called the "Soul Edge". All of the evil people in the world seek this weapon, so that they may have this ultimate power within their grasp, to do whatever evil seeks they wish. There is a man named Siegfried and he sees that this weapon needs to be guarded so that no man will ever use it, the problem is, Siegfried is no God. He is prone to death, thus the Soul Edge can get captured. So, you tell me. What should be done about Soul Edge? Seems to me, it should get destroyed somehow.

Or how about the videogame The Last of Us? In it, the main character Joel finds out that the little girl that he looks at as a daughter, is the only cure for mankind (there is a worldwide disease turning people into somewhat zombie-esque creatures). He is stuck with the decision of either letting her go for the sake of humanity, or keep her and let mankind fully die out. Them two included.

So, the greater good, or the little good?

Again, you're only acknowledging that his end goal is understandable, but not his way of going about it. Do means always justify the end? If so, then wasn't Madara just a good guy all along?

The truth is that real life isn't that clear cut. Decisions don't need to be reduced to only 2 extreme options. Destroy Soul Edge or not. Destroy the bijuu or not. I posted a list above with other options that I just brainstormed... and I'm sure a summit with all the most intelligent shinobi could come up with much better ideas.

Point is, Sasuke is a socially retarded megalomaniac who is incapable of having a rational conversation/debate with anyone he sees as a potential threat to his absolute power.

 

[cmoG]

Please don't talk about logic when defending Sasuke. His end goal might be understandable (no more weapons of mass destruction), but his methodology is flawed and absurd. Killing the 5 Kage? Why? They were instrumental in this war. They worked together and seemed optimistic towards a bright, cooperative future.

Lil Sausage, however, wants to murder them in their sleep without even trying to talk to them about a new system. He's completely worthless, and is now about to [try to] kill Naruto, who just helped him save the world, and who is the only human being to show him compassion and unconditional love besides his brother. And Sakura (sigh).

The Kage system is flawed and if not for Akatsuki & Madara, they would've stayed apart against each other still. The kages are not going to listen to some little kid talk about world peace and that their systems are a major part of the problem. We already have prime proof that the systems are heavily flawed and have caused many problems. Therefore, they too have to go.

Sasuke isn't committing genocide here. In this case as a manga reader, you really have to put aside personal preferences in this case. I am no fan boy. I have fully read the manga, seen what Kishi has made the Mages do and what the beasts have been used to do & see the reasoning and logic behind Sasuke's agenda.

Again, at least he isn't trying to cast an infinite jutsu on the world, keeping people in a lie. Like I said before though, him and Naruto will come to an agreement.

 

[cmoG]

Again, you're only acknowledging that his end goal is understandable, but not his way of going about it. Do means always justify the end? If so, then wasn't Madara just a good guy all along?

The truth is that real life isn't that clear cut. Decisions don't need to be reduced to only 2 extreme options. Destroy Soul Edge or not. Destroy the bijuu or not. I posted a list above with other options that I just brainstormed... and I'm sure a summit with all the most intelligent shinobi could come up with much better ideas.

Point is, Sasuke is a socially retarded megalomaniac who is incapable of having a rational conversation/debate with anyone he sees as a potential threat to his absolute power.

Judging from your other posts on various threads, you are completely biased. Debating any further with you is pointless. See ya.

 

[poopieface]

The Kage system is flawed and if not for Akatsuki & Madara, they would've stayed apart against each other still. The kages are not going to listen to some little kid talk about world peace and that their systems are a major part of the problem. We already have prime proof that the systems are heavily flawed and have caused many problems. Therefore, they too have to go.

Sasuke isn't committing genocide here. In this case as a manga reader, you really have to put aside personal preferences in this case. I am no fan boy. I have fully read the manga, seen what Kishi has made the Mages do and what the beasts have been used to do & see the reasoning and logic behind Sasuke's agenda.

Again, at least he isn't trying to cast an infinite jutsu on the world, keeping people in a lie.

Trust me, I'm no fanboy either. I liked Sasuke up until now. But if you think murder like that is ever reasonable (especially when the 5 Kage have just played an important part in saving the world), then... idk, if I had kids, I wouldn't want you near my kids is all.

 

[poopieface]

Judging from your other posts on various threads, you are completely biased. Debating any further with you is pointless. See ya.

Biased? ... I literally never complained about Sasuke until this chapter. I used to post about the importance of Yin and Yang, and how Naruto and Sasuke shouldn't fight at the end. I've always liked both characters. But I agree, this debate is pointless. You have the reasoning skills of an emo 13-year-old nihilist, so it's no wonder you sympathize with Sasuke.

 

[bdm]

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because he is a criminal XD XD

 

[Honord Sage]

He is a criminal now He told Naruto and the rest that He was going to kill 5 kages who have nothing to do with the Uchiha Massacre only because their leaders. A Double traitor A Wanted Criminal on 5 major countries.

 

[Jnaru]

He does NOT want to kill naruto. Which is why he did not use Chibaku Tensei on him. He does not want to kill innocent people... only those who barricade the path to peace.

Naruto is the one attacking him right now... naruto is the one trying to kill him.

Sasuke no longer desires power... he has enough to carry out his Revolution.

What the hell are u talking abt, naruto never wanted to kill him....he said he is the only one in his way

He don't use chibaku tensei on naruto because can't use it on him......

And wat makes u think he will stop after killing naruto... Kakashi and Sakura are witness, kill them tooo

Then 5 kages.... If sasuke after listening to hashi decide on better course , y he thinks kages doesn't deserve a second chance...but he isn't giving any to anybody

He is just doing wat all uchihas have done so far mass killing

 

[Ultimateone]

sasuke wants to first kill innocent creatures. the bijuu are not at fault for the things people do, they are victims. killing them will not stop people from being people. though he cant kill them anyways, seal them, sure. he also wants to kill the kage for no other reason than they are kage. as the only one who would even be considered a criminal is onoki. he wants to kill naruto now because he is the only one that can appose him. his answer to everything is murder. he never has any alternative other than to take a life. when you think like that, your not a good guy.

as far as his criminal activity lets list it.
he's a deserter
he joined up with a known enemy of the state to gain power(who knows what else he did during his time with orochimaru).
he then attacked a jin of another nation(who is also the brother of the raikage)
he then attacked a kage summit(make excuses all you want for this, that is a very bad crime).
he killed samurai protecting the summit(i don't know how you can defend him for killing these people, considering it was extremely illegal for him to be there. especially considering he came there to kill one of the people attending that summit)
he was instrumental in the revival of the juubi(the 8 tail tentacle)
and now the current bull he's trying to pull. in real life, he would get the death penalty.

 

[Shinato]

Sasuke has said it numerous times, he will not hurt you unless you come in his way. He targeted Danzo, and the Kage along wit the Samurai came in his way so he attack them too. The only directly bad thing he has done up to now is to say that he aims to kill the Gokages.

 

[Yuri Uzuma]

Though his intentions might be a bit different, but his determination to execute "weapons of mass destruction" makes him similar to Madara or Kaguya, who just used pure power to achieve their goals (idealogies). Moreover, those "weapons" are powers of nature which existed before his birth and will after his death.

 

[Jnaru]

sasuke wants to first kill innocent creatures. the bijuu are not at fault for the things people do, they are victims. killing them will not stop people from being people. though he cant kill them anyways, seal them, sure.

he also wants to kill the kage for no other reason than they are kage. as the only one who would even be considered a criminal is onoki.

he wants to kill naruto now because he is the only one that can appose him. his answer to everything is murder.

he never has any alternative other than to take a life. when you think like that, your not a good .

Well yeah I agree, he does because he thinks he is rite

And now he thinks killing Kage and biju and naruto will make a new system.... While naruto isn't the reason of all that happen in the past .... Well he wanted to kill naruto for a long time and now he got power so he is gonna try .....

Well the way of this manga is TNJ so I guess he will b come to his senses before he dies .....

 

[Slifer]

Sasuke has said it numerous times, he will not hurt you unless you come in his way. He targeted Danzo, and the Kage along wit the Samurai came in his way so he attack them too. The only directly bad thing he has done up to now is to say that he aims to kill the Gokages.

WORST human post. Politicians want to change a system but the opposition is getting in their way. Lets kill them! In danzos case, lets say he is putin. Someone wants to see him dead. Is it ok for you to kill the police whos defending him? hey they come in my way their life is worthless klilling them is their fault. Dont come in my way. roflmao.


America also invaded irak to "protect" people cause of mass destruction weapons. How many civilians died? Cause they are in the way? roflmao.

Killing cause you have a diffrent view is crime no good solution. Everybody who says he is no criminal is braindead. You can support his view, no problem. But not the method!

 

[Legitbeans]

He's trying to implement his ways through any means possible. which will lead to tyranny.

 

[Faiznarmi]

no matter what you say, he's still a criminal. For you, yes it is morally wrong for Danzo to execute the Uchihas and all those crimes.
But look at this point of view, Danzo was simply doing the dirty works that Hiruzen didn't have the heart to do. It's still for the village though. And Itachi knew that, and that's why he agreed to kill his clansmen in exchange for his brother's safety.
Uchihas were rebels at that time, and need to be eradicated.
If Danzo didn't do all those dirty work, then the village will be long destroyed before the start of the series.
It's real life man, something needs to be sacrificed in order to maintain peace.
Danzo simply being CIA here because of Hiruzen's unwillingness to sacrifice someone for the village's sake.
Defecting and "possibly spreading information about the village" is the reason Sasuke was hunted.
It is the rules of Ninja World, and this world have rules too.
If you're an agent of CIA and suddenly wanted to defect in order to kill someone, even if he's a criminal, you'll be hunted by CIA for defecting and "they regard you as information seller".
Morally, it's not wrong for Sasuke to kill his bro which massacred their clan, but in order to achieve that goal he worked with Akatsuki and Orochimaru which is wrong.

 

[Trea]

Sasuke was a criminal the moment he left the village. Ninja are not allowed to leave the village without permission. Missing nin are subject to death. The villages don't want their training practices, jutsus or their security secrets to fall into the enemies hands. The only reason that Sasuke is still alive is because Naruto would not let the Sasuke retrieval squad kill him. Naruto kept insisting he could change him.

Whether you percieve him as a criminal is a different matter, but according to ninja law he is a criminal. Any other crimes he did after leaving the village were just icing on the cake. No one gets to pick and choose what laws they are going to obey. If you break a law and get caught you pay the consequences. If you don't like a law you work to change it.

At the moment Sasuke is willing to kill people who don't agree with his ideas. He claims he has changed from wanting revenge to wanting to change the ninja system. The Kages have gone through the war too and have already changed somewhat just by the fact that they have been willing to work together for a common cause. Why kill them instead of finding out if they have changed enough to realize that things need to change?

Even though he knows BZ and Madara were setting things up for generations and pulling strings from behind the scenes and even controlling some Kages he'd rather condemn and kill them instead of seeing if they have changed. I think that shows just how much he hasn't changed. His power has gone to his head. Even if he can get some of the alliance to join his revolution they won't stay with him for long if he only listens to his own ideas and not theirs. They will realize he is just like Madara and Obito.

 

[so12p]

How many times is this thread going to get posted? There is a laundry list of crimes that have been discussed ad nauseam.

 

[Draxus]

The Kage system is flawed and if not for Akatsuki & Madara, they would've stayed apart against each other still. The kages are not going to listen to some little kid talk about world peace and that their systems are a major part of the problem. We already have prime proof that the systems are heavily flawed and have caused many problems. Therefore, they too have to go.

Sasuke isn't committing genocide here. In this case as a manga reader, you really have to put aside personal preferences in this case. I am no fan boy. I have fully read the manga, seen what Kishi has made the Mages do and what the beasts have been used to do & see the reasoning and logic behind Sasuke's agenda.

Again, at least he isn't trying to cast an infinite jutsu on the world, keeping people in a lie. Like I said before though, him and Naruto will come to an agreement.

You're missing a fundamental piece here. You can't just get rid of an old system without having a new and better one ready and prepared. Just getting rid of the old system haphazardly will only lead to chaos.

So Sasuke kills the Kages and Naruto and seals the bijuu forever. What next? World peace? More like a new ninja war, with the respective villages out for blood. Why would they ever come together again, if the previous attempt lead to all their leaders dying?

 

[Honord Sage]

The list of crimes of one Sasuke Uchiha are numerous and keep rising Now He is attempting murder on 5 Kages, thats punishable by death.

 

[Nismo]

I would argue with this wanker, but he has a slight point.
However, Sauce is quite the villain.

The intentions he had were bloody evil.
The guy was literally commanding his entire team to help him kill all the kages.

The only real defense he has it that he wasn't strong enough to kill them, if he could have killed them, he would have.
It's only attempted murder, but regardless trying to kill the most important figures in NV at the time, is ridiculous.

Lol most of the kages themselves are criminals, they deserve to die. Gaara=mass murderer.