Why do Hiruzen fans use this as a legitimate speed feat?

[Shura]

I agree. They are also using this to downplay Sasuke, because he arrived two pages later, and say that all four of them are faster than Sasuke on foot which is something I don't agree with at all.​

 

[Trollasaur]

When a character has little to no feats; their fanboys are bound to start grasping for straws - Preacher of NB

Hiruzen>Orchimaru

 

[Rainbow Dash]

Hiruzen>Orchimaru

Nigga, don't.

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[Mellanoma]

hmm okay, this is pretty much same as brainless itachi fangirls.. they see itachi spamming shit while EDO TENSEI, and they wil think.. omg itachi can spam as much shit in alive as he could as edo tensei.. FALSE logic.. these fanboy... GIRLS are so god damn blind here..

Everything Itachi did as Edo he did when he was alive and sick so your point is invalid

OT: Who cares Hiruzen solo both Tobirama, Hashirama, and Orochimaru

 

[Trollasaur]

Nigga, don't.

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lol come on

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This is no fun.

 

[Icelerate]

May I ask where it states or shows that shunshin is chakra/stamina taxing?

Let me ask you something. Who is faster, a non-shunshin Kakashi or Tsunade? Because during early part 2 as you've showcased, they took 3 days to reach Suna.

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According to Shikaku's map

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, the Juubi's location is somewhere within the purple circle. So basically, Hiruzen crossed the same distance that Kakashi took 3 days to cross in less than 1 hour(judging by how the Tenpenchii cloud disappeared by then).

Non shunshin Kakashi is faster than non shunsin Tsunade. Are you sure they crossed the entire distance on foot? Maybe either Minato or Tobirama had sometime in the past planted an FTG seal somewhere near the battlefield where they FTGed to and then used their shunshin to get to the battlefield. This also seems more logical than the Hokages being able to travel continental distance in 1 hour when it took Kakashi, a guy renowned for his speed countless times in the manga, 3 days. We know for a fact that

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and Tobirama and Minato could have used this to their advantage.

As for the shunshin being chakra consuming argument, I never said using it once is chakra consuming. I said using it constantly to travel a continental distance in a short period of time is chakra taxing. Them being able to do this was because they were edo tensei with unlimited chakra.

As for your previous argument, why would Kakashi leave the others behind? My question to you is, why would Hashirama and Tobirama leave Hiruzen behind considering Hiruzen isn't a sensor to pinpoint the exact location of the battlefield?

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Yes your point stands about alive people not being able to spam shunshin. However, I don't see how it disproves Hiruzen's shunshin keeping up with Tobirama. Like you said, they could spam it as much as they want because they are edo tensei. But when they do spam as much as they want, Hiruzen's bursts led him to Tobirama's location at the same time. So I will concede on the part where if they were alive, the amount of times that each person can use differs. But I will still stand on my point that Hiruzen's short term speed is on par with Tobirama.

Hiruzen was on Tobirama's trail hence he was a few inches behind him. And he was on his trail because Tobirama was the skilled sensor who can pinpoint the location of where all the activity was happening.

 

[Rainbow Dash]

Non shunshin Kakashi is faster than non shunsin Tsunade. Are you sure they crossed the entire distance on foot? Maybe either Minato or Tobirama had sometime in the past planted an FTG seal somewhere near the battlefield where they FTGed to and then used their shunshin to get to the battlefield. This also seems more logical than the Hokages being able to travel continental distance in 1 hour when it took Kakashi, a guy renowned for his speed countless times in the manga, 3 days. We know for a fact that

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and Tobirama and Minato could have used this to their advantage.

Good point. We do know that Minato did had one of his seals at a shore.

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So a more reasonable distance would be if I traced a line from one of the shores. But even then, the distance that the the Hokages traveled would be multiple country ranges. Crossing multiple country ranges in 1 hr would still have a higher m/s than Kakashi's 3 days.

As for the shunshin being chakra consuming argument, I never said using it once is chakra consuming. I said using it constantly to travel a continental distance in a short period of time is chakra taxing. Them being able to do this was because they were edo tensei with unlimited chakra.

Alright then, I'll admit that prime Hiruzen wouldn't be able to activate his shunshin as many times as others with larger chakra reserves can. But I will still stand for his short burst shunshins being at least on par with Tobirama, before prime Hiruzen tires from stamina.

As for your previous argument, why would Kakashi leave the others behind? My question to you is, why would Hashirama and Tobirama leave Hiruzen behind considering Hiruzen isn't a sensor to pinpoint the exact location of the battlefield?

If I were Hiruzen, I think I can figure out that the direction the others are running to is the direction to the Juubi's location.

 

[Minator93]

Only Hiruzen feat is valid because in his case he was stopping the end of the world and also, they're the Hokages they don't goof off.

Hiruzen is faster than Sasuke, Tobirama is slightly faster than Hashirama and Hiruzen. Minato is way faster than everyone U_U

 

[startup97]

Don't make this bigger than it already is. It's a speed feat.

 

[Zebstrika]

Because base Juugo is just as fast as Sasuke.

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Because Karin is just as fast as Orochimaru or Suigetsu.

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It's really only idiots that believe things like the above.

 

[paratise]

Because he does not have a legimate speed feat.

 

[Strict]

Wait, that's the logic Tazz used for Tsunade who arrived at the same time as Ay in front of Naruto and Kirabi.

 

[Bronze]

I humbly agree with the OP.

 

[MickNerks]

Even without that scan, we clearly saw hiruzen battle Hashirama and Tobirama and was able to keep up with them in terms of speed and taijutsu. So yes, he does have similar speed to them.

 

[Icelerate]

Good point. We do know that Minato did had one of his seals at a shore.

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So a more reasonable distance would be if I traced a line from one of the shores. But even then, the distance that the the Hokages traveled would be multiple country ranges. Crossing multiple country ranges in 1 hr would still have a higher m/s than Kakashi's 3 days.



Alright then, I'll admit that prime Hiruzen wouldn't be able to activate his shunshin as many times as others with larger chakra reserves can. But I will still stand for his short burst shunshins being at least on par with Tobirama, before prime Hiruzen tires from stamina.



If I were Hiruzen, I think I can figure out that the direction the others are running to is the direction to the Juubi's location.

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If you look at the black line leading to the centre of the spot you circled, you can clearly see that running from the shore to the fight isn't multiple country ranges. Not even close. Maybe half a small country range at most. Certainly a much smaller distance from Konoha to Suna. But I do agree that the Hokages were faster because they could run as fast as they wanted since they had no stamina constraints and would never get tired by running at top speed.

Prime Hiruzen, no doubt, would have an extremely high speed stat because of his shunshin. I think his speed without shunshin would also be top tier because his muscles in his legs wouldn't have deteriorated. However, an alive old Hiruzen is still only slightly above average in speed at most because his legs will feel pain if he tries to shunshin as fast as he did as an edo. It was stated that Hiruzen could barely use Emna and Emna commented on how weak Hiruzen's muscle strength had become. Now an edo Hiruzen would still have weaker muscles compared to his prime but at least edo Hiruzen won't suffer from any pain or backlash from abusing his leg muscles to use top tier shunshin.

Lastly, if Tobirama and Hashirama went too far ahead, Hiruzen would not be able to follow their trail. But that itself is debatable but something to keep in mind.

Only Hiruzen feat is valid because in his case he was stopping the end of the world and also, they're the Hokages they don't goof off.

Hiruzen is faster than Sasuke, Tobirama is slightly faster than Hashirama and Hiruzen. Minato is way faster than everyone U_U

Well Kakashi and co were also saving an entire country from the Akatsuki so there is no reason for them to slow down. Also, if they didn't stop the Akatsuki, the whole world was doomed. There is no proof that Team Kakashi and Temari goofed off either and they won't goof either if someone like Gaara, the Kazekage, had been captured.

You made my day when you said Hiruzen is faster than Sasuke.

Don't make this bigger than it already is. It's a speed feat.

Even without that scan, we clearly saw hiruzen battle Hashirama and Tobirama and was able to keep up with them in terms of speed and taijutsu. So yes, he does have similar speed to them.

I don't mind if people try to support Hiruzen against people who say his reactions suck. They most certainly do not but edo Hashi, edo Tobi and Orochimaru never used any speed against Hiruzen in their battle.