Why didn't the Sage instruct people how to divide the Bijuu further?

[C WET]

9 threw 1 are all equal in power

that's why kurama took them all on minus the 1 tail and the hachibi with a bijuu dama battle with all of them...

 

[Piratefish]

Because being stepped on by 65 giant cats is better. You know how many years of bad luck that would be? Zero, because they're dead.

There is NO human who has been stated to be equal in terms of pure chakra to the Kyuubi. But several people are described as having Bijuu-level chakra, even without being Jinchuuriki. Nibi is easier to deal with in every way.

That would create way more problems than solutions. You would have 100 Jinchuriki's with only a third with good intentions. That kind of generation would be more trouble than both the Senju and Uchiha combined since the power is on an entirely different level.

Plus for anything like that to happen you would need a squad to seal them all and keep them in control. Wait they did have a clan who could do the job phenominally, the Uzamaki. They killed them all off so no it is not possible to even think of such a feat without a butt load of Fuinjutsu Masters who all are mostly dead.

The point is, a Nibi-rampage is FAR less dangerous than a Kyuubi-rampage.
You don't need a special type of vessel for it to be sealed in.
Even fully mastered Jinchuuriki can be dealt with by the lowest of S-rank ninja, as Hidan proved.

So, if everything is equally divided, you'd have 25 or so extra Gaara's and Yugito's in every major Village's forces. How is that an impossible obstacle?

 

[Piratefish]

You're assuming that with no basis. The Sage had:

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No other characters, including his two sons have been stated to possess such an ability.

Yes they do. Izanagi is EXACTLY that. So, anyone with both Senju-type and Uchiha-type traits could do the same thing.

The biju are masses of chakra, the larger they get the more chakra their bound to have.
Not to mention: the Jubi (an amalgamation of 9 biju) has only ten tails, surely it should have more then?

I don't understand what you're trying to say. Are you saying that, because the 9 were spawned as "babies" and then grew, their combined chakra became larger than the Juubi's?

Their size alone is more than enough to devastate most shinobi/areas anyways.

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MOST, yes. They are infinitely easier to deal with than the Kyuubi, though.

 

[JCW]

the 395 tailed beast rabbit >.>

that many damn tails would be hetic to look at

 

[Pekoms]

Yes they do. Izanagi is EXACTLY that. So, anyone with both Senju-type and Uchiha-type traits could do the same thing.



I don't understand what you're trying to say. Are you saying that, because the 9 were spawned as "babies" and then grew, their combined chakra became larger than the Juubi's?



MOST, yes. They are infinitely easier to deal with than the Kyuubi, though.

Compare the two techniques. Izanagi is derived from it, it aids in the user's survivability.

Not to mention your statement is helping my argument. Older son is Uchiha; younger son is Senju.
Your saying: Uchiha + Senju = the power required
Only the Sage was naturally a combination of both. Madara was the first to establish combining them.

You just don't get it. Each an every biju has required 1-2 S-rank shinobi or a Kage to end their rampages.
If they were all sealed when they were small, it'd certainly be easy. The Sage however didn't view them as tools.
They only became dangerous when people started using them for power.
As it is, they managed to reach massive sizes that makes attacking them incredibly hard.

 

[Stark]

Compare the two techniques. Izanagi is derived from it, it aids in the user's survivability.

Not to mention your statement is helping my argument. Older son is Uchiha; younger son is Senju.
Your saying: Uchiha + Senju = the power required
Only the Sage was naturally a combination of both. Madara was the first to establish combining them.

You just don't get it. Each an every biju has required 1-2 S-rank shinobi or a Kage to end their rampages.
If they were all sealed when they were small, it'd certainly be easy. The Sage however didn't view them as tools.
They only became dangerous when people started using them for power.
As it is, they managed to reach massive sizes that makes attacking them incredibly hard.

Please tell me your not one of those NB trolls who takes names...

 

[Piratefish]

Compare the two techniques. Izanagi is derived from it, it aids in the user's survivability.

We don't know ANYTHING about the actual splitting process. Perhaps the only obstacle IS that you die; in which case Izanagi would do fine.

Not to mention your statement is helping my argument. Older son is Uchiha; younger son is Senju.
Your saying: Uchiha + Senju = the power required
Only the Sage was naturally a combination of both. Madara was the first to establish combining them.

And the Sage could easily have told his kids how stuff had to go down. Problem solved.

You just don't get it. Each an every biju has required 1-2 S-rank shinobi or a Kage to end their rampages.
If they were all sealed when they were small, it'd certainly be easy. The Sage however didn't view them as tools.
They only became dangerous when people started using them for power.
As it is, they managed to reach massive sizes that makes attacking them incredibly hard.

And THAT is why you should consider making them weaker by splitting them into less powerful forms. Like Ichibi or Nibi as opposed to Hachibi and Kyuubi.

 

[Pekoms]

We don't know ANYTHING about the actual splitting process. Perhaps the only obstacle IS that you die; in which case Izanagi would do fine.

And the Sage could easily have told his kids how stuff had to go down. Problem solved.

So your assuming that ages ago, the Sage or his sons had fundamental knowledge of genetics and transplanting DNA?
Not to mention, the sons were constantly at odds with each other, they wouldn't just hand each other power.

And if it required that the user die, then both sons would die. If such a thing occurred:
There'd be no Uchiha or Senju and the biju would never have been distributed.
That'd force Kishi to have come up with an entirely different plot, many characters wouldn't exist.

 

[Transcendence]

9 threw 1 are all equal in power

No they are not. At Half Chakra, the Chakra granted by Kurama to Naruto to use the Bjiuudama was equal to 6 other Jinchuriki's Bjiuudama's combined. And that's only half. Kurama far overpowers every other Tailed Beast.

 

[Piratefish]

So your assuming that ages ago, the Sage or his sons had fundamental knowledge of genetics and transplanting DNA?
Not to mention, the sons were constantly at odds with each other, they wouldn't just hand each other power.

And if it required that the user die, then both sons would die. If such a thing occurred:
There'd be no Uchiha or Senju and the biju would never have been distributed.
That'd force Kishi to have come up with an entirely different plot, many characters wouldn't exist.

I'm assuming that the Sage has a brain. If he can do something his sons can't do, and each of the sons possesses a significant trait (A REALLY MOTHER****ING OBVIOUS ONE IS WHAT I'M GOING FOR) the other doesn't and he possesses both, there could easily be a connection there. Eh?

And something like a blood-transfusion should work perfectly well. They're brothers, and thus most likely compatible. Senju DNA does not mean Zetsu-flesh, a temporary blood transfer should do just as well.

I was talking about Izanagi possibly countering the negative effects. As in the Sage (knowing about the various aspects of the technique) saying, oh, don't do this, it'll kill you. And if you can respawn, what, exactly, is the problem?

 

[Stark]

That's too much work lol.

 

[Pekoms]

I'm assuming that the Sage has a brain. If he can do something his sons can't do, and each of the sons possesses a significant trait (A REALLY MOTHER****ING OBVIOUS ONE IS WHAT I'M GOING FOR) the other doesn't and he possesses both, there could easily be a connection there. Eh?

And something like a blood-transfusion should work perfectly well. They're brothers, and thus most likely compatible. Senju DNA does not mean Zetsu-flesh, a temporary blood transfer should do just as well.

I was talking about Izanagi possibly countering the negative effects. As in the Sage (knowing about the various aspects of the technique) saying, oh, don't do this, it'll kill you. And if you can respawn, what, exactly, is the problem?

Your assuming the Sage would even know about blood transfusion.
Not to mention you've ignored the part where the brothers were constantly fighting each other.

The fact is the Sage was willing to entrust the future of the shinobi world to one of his children.
He was obviously not like Orochimaru; he wouldn't just perform experiments to push the limits of power.

We don't know of any negative effects of Creation of All Things.

 

[Piratefish]

Your assuming the Sage would even know about blood transfusion.
Not to mention you've ignored the part where the brothers were constantly fighting each other.

The first successful blood-transfusion was performed in 1667. Given that the time of the Sage may very well have been MORE technologically advanced than the "present" of the Narutoverse (without ninjutsu, how the HELL would people survive free-roaming apocalypse-beasts without technology?) I see no reason why they shouldn't have the know-how. I can't see the Juubi acting up enough to get sealed as BENEFICIAL for the global technological level...

The Sage was a shitty father. Competition between siblings is natural, even healthy. Active hatred of a sort that leads to generations-long feuds is something quite different. When the Firstborn Son got snubbed, presumably he expected his father wouldn't DISOWN him on his DEATHBED for following a philosophy very nearly in tune with the Sage's own... He didn't take it well. As any reasonable human being would know.

I don't believe the Sage desired power as a path to peace, but he sure as hell ended up with a ridiculous levels of it. And if ANYONE in the world had power to create lasting change, it would be obvious to the Firstborn, and indeed anyone else, that it would be the Sage. To create peace, with access to enough Power, you only need ONE person.
For the Love route, you need a majority. Which is WAY harder.

The problem is that, with enough power, a single person could enforce anything at all, not just peace.

The fact is the Sage was willing to entrust the future of the shinobi world to one of his children.
He was obviously not like Orochimaru; he wouldn't just perform experiments to push the limits of power.

How is this "testing the limits of power"? I woulda thought REDUCING the amount of power any being has available (like he did with the Juubi) is just leveling the playing-field a bit between demons and humans?

We don't know of any negative effects of Creation of All Things.

Indeed? Well then why couldn't the Sage have taught it to people?

 

[Pekoms]

The first successful blood-transfusion was performed in 1667. Given that the time of the Sage may very well have been MORE technologically advanced than the "present" of the Narutoverse (without ninjutsu, how the HELL would people survive free-roaming apocalypse-beasts without technology?) I see no reason why they shouldn't have the know-how. I can't see the Juubi acting up enough to get sealed as BENEFICIAL for the global technological level...

Correction: 1818 was the first blood transfusion that you can use to make any argument with.
All documented instances before that point in time involved the transfusion of animal blood.

Everything you bring up about technology is speculative at best, don't argue with it.
The Jubi is known as the progenitor of everything that exists in the world, essentially a god.

Not to mention, even if your highly speculative ideas did come to fruition, why did the Sage have to seal it?

The Sage was a shitty father. Competition between siblings is natural, even healthy. Active hatred of a sort that leads to generations-long feuds is something quite different. When the Firstborn Son got snubbed, presumably he expected his father wouldn't DISOWN him on his DEATHBED for following a philosophy very nearly in tune with the Sage's own... He didn't take it well. As any reasonable human being would know.

It's not a matter of how good a father he was... The younger son wouldn't give blood to his sworn enemy.
The older brother would have to do the same thing as Madara, take DNA by force.
With that being said, we know they were always at stalemate.

I don't believe the Sage desired power as a path to peace, but he sure as hell ended up with a ridiculous levels of it. And if ANYONE in the world had power to create lasting change, it would be obvious to the Firstborn, and indeed anyone else, that it would be the Sage.

Until they die... for as strong as the Sage was, he ultimately died. Warfare resumed.

How is this "testing the limits of power"? I woulda thought REDUCING the amount of power any being has available (like he did with the Juubi) is just leveling the playing-field a bit between demons and humans?

Indeed? Well then why couldn't the Sage have taught it to people?

I'm talking about the Sage telling his sons to do anything like blood transfusions. He wanted peace.

Your question is just awful, you've already stated that Uchiha + Senju = Sage
He can't just teach people how to do Creation of All Things. As to why the sons can't, I've explained.

 

[AaaaNinja]

The Sage divided the Juubi (10 tails) into a Kyuubi (9) a Hachibi (8) and so on all the way down to 1.

Why not take it further?

Assuming the lowest possible division is an Ichibi and a Nibi, and the 9-tails grants 8+7+6+5+4+3+2+1 tails and so on, you'd end up with a LARGE amount of Nibi's and Ichibi's (the Sanbi granting a Nibi and an Ichibi).

Specifically, 64 Nibi's and 65 Ichibi's, after a good few generations of Jinchuuriki.

It would at the VERY LEAST make Akatsuki's job more difficult... As well as making demons and Jinchuuriki a LOT more manageable.

Thoughts?

Apparently, Menma in the latest movie figured it out.

Spoiler

The masked companion animals, priestess, shinigami, maidens, sages, etc. (nine in all) are what he got from dividing up the kyuubi.

 

[Piratefish]

Apparently, Menma in the latest movie figured it out.

Spoiler

The masked companion animals, priestess, shinigami, maidens, sages, etc. (nine in all) are what he got from dividing up the kyuubi.

Really? Haven't seen it. Do you have a link or something?

 

[sulanis]

And Naruto doesn't have enough brain power to memorize 100 Bijuu names :scorps:

he barely has the capacity to remember the ones that do exist now lol

 

[kralomer]

The Juubi only has 9 types of chakra and the sage divided them up.

 

[Piratefish]

Correction: 1818 was the first blood transfusion that you can use to make any argument with.
All documented instances before that point in time involved the transfusion of animal blood.

Mid 1600's or early 1800's, the point is that the technology in the series is FAR above the technology in our world at the point when blood-transfusions were first implemented.

Everything you bring up about technology is speculative at best, don't argue with it.
The Jubi is known as the progenitor of everything that exists in the world, essentially a god.

Speculative, yes. Also logical, especially given that medical science in the Narutoverse is superior to our own by a large margin.

The Juubi being a god has little bearing on it being beneficial for humanity. All it has been shown capable of is destruction.

Not to mention, even if your highly speculative ideas did come to fruition, why did the Sage have to seal it?

Because it was too powerful. Similar to Hashirama's reaction to the Kyuubi, in his time.

It's not a matter of how good a father he was... The younger son wouldn't give blood to his sworn enemy.
The older brother would have to do the same thing as Madara, take DNA by force.
With that being said, we know they were always at stalemate.

And the whole reason why the older and younger sons were enemies is because the Sage was a shitty father. Anyhow, if the older desired power at all costs, forcibly grabbing the younger's genetic material to strengthen himself isn't out of the question.

Until they die... for as strong as the Sage was, he ultimately died. Warfare resumed.

I never heard anything about the Sage bringing an end to peace in his own lifetime. He defeated the Juubi and taught people ninjutsu, sure. He WANTED peace, but never brought it. He did affect the world to a large degree, though.

I'm talking about the Sage telling his sons to do anything like blood transfusions. He wanted peace.

Your question is just awful, you've already stated that Uchiha + Senju = Sage
He can't just teach people how to do Creation of All Things. As to why the sons can't, I've explained.

If he wanted peace, and saw the Juubi as an obstacle to said peace, what in the world makes the Kyuubi any better to those who don't possess the full measure of his power?

If the sons combined could do it, why couldn't he teach THEM? Even if they hate each other, he could easily force them...

 

[Piratefish]

The Juubi only has 9 types of chakra and the sage divided them up.

Shouldn't the Kyuubi then have 8 types of chakra? Couldn't his sons continue dividing, and their sons after them?