Why didn't Sasuke join Madara?

[Blunt]

naruto would have killed him if he had, so he was scared of naruto more then madara

Always someone that has to say stupid sh¡t like this.

 

[Raekwon26]

1. Hinata wanted to be with Naruto. Tsunade wanted to be with Dan, Jiraiya, Orochimaru and Nawaki. Mei wanted to get married. Did any of those dreams look to be taking away their free will to you? They were all happy and doing what they wanted (which is the opposite of having your free will taken away).

2. Define fake and real. You are basing the concept of "reality" on a subjective interpretation of reality only being this physical dimension. Reality is relative to an individual's own experience and senses. If you experience something then the joy, the pain, or whatever feeling results from it is real regardless of whether or not it is a dream. As long as your physical body doesn't die or get hurt, then whatever your consciousness experiences is real. Therefore, it is not running away from reality. It is solving the world's problems and creating a new reality. You are just saying that we should all just sit down and do nothing to create change.

3. It doesn't go against what Sasuke is about. Sasuke is about preventing things like war and discrimination, which can be done definitively in the genjutsu.

1. It is fake. They are enslaved. It is a fake perception of their dreams, where they have no control of ever waking up again. Their chakra was just used to bring back Kaguya. Are you trying to tell me that they agreed to that? They are enslaved and forced to live through that, it is NOT a choice.

2. I'm basing my concept of reality on the what the Manga has shown us and portrayed. Reality is *****, the world is not some place where only good things happen. It is a place full of hardships, trials and tribulations etc. I.T. completely goes against that. It is a cowardly acceptance in the non belief of people and their abilities to make changes and decisions. It also goes against the idea of new generations being able to make changes, to not make the same mistakes that their predecessors make (A idea that has been pushed throughout this Manga). The idea that you can go somewhere to run away form the issues of reality shows cowardice and a willinginess to accept that you yourself have no power over you own destiny to make change. In fact, it ends up killing people and leaving them as empty shells of themselves.

3. It does go against everything Sasuke is about. Sasuke has always been a character that has cared about achieving his goals. He has never been someone who looked at the bigger picture until recently, he never cared about what consequences his actions may have on others, it was all about achieving his goals. He's just found out that his brother basically lived a life based on a lie and that the previous made mistakes leading to this, so instead of running away from reality (using I.T.) he is going to change it.

 

[chaos control]

1. It is fake. They are enslaved. It is a fake perception of their dreams, where they have no control of ever waking up again. Their chakra was just used to bring back Kaguya. Are you trying to tell me that they agreed to that? They are enslaved and forced to live through that, it is NOT a choice.



2. I'm basing my concept of reality on the what the Manga has shown us and portrayed. Reality is *****, the world is not some place where only good things happen. It is a place full of hardships, trials and tribulations etc. I.T. completely goes against that. It is a cowardly acceptance in the non belief of people and their abilities to make changes and decisions. It also goes against the idea of new generations being able to make changes, to not make the same mistakes that their predecessors make (A idea that has been pushed throughout this Manga). The idea that you can go somewhere to run away form the issues of reality shows cowardice and a willinginess to accept that you yourself have no power over you own destiny to make change. In fact, it ends up killing people and leaving them as empty shells of themselves.

3. It does go against everything Sasuke is about. Sasuke has always been a character that has cared about achieving his goals. He has never been someone who looked at the bigger picture until recently, he never cared about what consequences his actions may have on others, it was all about achieving his goals. He's just found out that his brother basically lived a life based on a lie and that the previous made mistakes leading to this, so instead of running away from reality (using I.T.) he is going to change it.

1. Like I said, the white zetsu thing was not known about. I am speaking from the perspective of the ideology behind infinite tsukuyomi (Madara 's ideals). Your perception = your reality. The people don't know that their chakara is being taken and for ideology's sake it really doesn't matter. You say that they have no control of waking up, but they don't know that they're asleep. The fact of the matter is, if I see, taste, feel, smell and hear myself eating a cookie and my body still ends up getting nutrients (the shinju was said to keep you alive before the whole zetsu thing came in) then I ate a cookie for all intents and purposes. "Real" and "fake" labels don't matter here.

2. Just as you said, reality is *****. That is the problem that infinite tsukuyomi fixes. There is a difference between perseverance and stupidity. Rejecting a solution to all problems just because you want to tough it out through the problems is stupidity. Humanity has clearly demonstrated over centuries that true peace is not capable of occurring. Because of competition and hierarchy amongst humans, there will always be innocent victims that get hurt for no fault of their own! You are saying that we should just all accept that and let it happen, but a true hero strives to solve these problems.

Do you notice that Naruto has never actually given a solid solution for bringing about peace using normal political means? That is because their is none! Infinite tsukuyomi is an actual solution!

Running away and cowardice is not doing anything about your problems. Solving your problems is true perseverance.

3. Yes, he says he is going to change it, but the big question is how? A 2 year old can give words, but unless you have a solid plan, then those words are empty! Also, you even said yourself that Sasuke never cared about what effects his actions had on others. In the infinite tsukuyomi, people don't have to worry about being affected by calloused people like this who value themselves above all and who see nothing wrong with bringing pain to innocent people!

 

[xxSAGExx]

This long post wasn't even needed.

He wants to change the system so stuff like what happened to his brother and what is going on right now does not happen.
Enslaving people is completely against what he wants to achieve.

Sasuke haven't really shown to care about anyone, he only saved Naruto because he needed him to fight Juubito, Madara, and Kaguya. He showed that he doesn't care for Kakashi or Sakura because he viewed them as use less or at least until Sakura and Obito saved him. From what we seen, Sasuke wants to change things by force and not by connections or bonds which is how Naruto is actually making the change. Sasuke was affected a lot by hatred and was recently blind by it so it's not like all of that hate would just go away, we seen some of that hate in the war alone so joining Madara does seem like something he would do since it would bring peace in a forcible way which is like how Sasuke has been shown to want to do things.

Sasuke doesn't approve of running away from reality and abandoning those who sacrificed themselves to make this world work. If it wasn't for Naruto then of course things would remain as they r, but Naruto has changed the hearts of the country leaders and is gonna lead the bijuu. Together him and Sasuke have a chance to create peace

The long post wasn't necessary, and sorry, but I didn't read

Sasuke's way is that of force from what we seen of him in the war, that's exactly Madara's way. I do agree that he wouldn't want to do something that tarnish the memories of Itachi and his clan (I don't see him caring about others as he does his clan) but Madara's way would in a sense bring peace and in this world he would have his family back. Sasuke doesn't have any bonds or connections with others nor shown to really care for it, maybe only for Taka but no others. He made it clear he didn't care for Sakura, Kakashi and Obito many times and only saved Naruto because he needs him to beat Juubito, Madara, and Kaguya.

Naruto have earned the Kages and alliance's acknowledgement but the Kages and most of the alliance don't trust Sasuke since he's a missing ninja, joined Orochimaru who attacked Konoha and killed the 4th Kazekage, attacked Bee and some cloud ninjas, attacked the Kage summit where he injured the A and tried to fight Mei and Oonoki, killed Danzo who was Hokage Candidate and even though Danzo deserved to die it's still not how Konoha handle their internal affairs, gave Akatsuki a portion of the 8 tails chakra thinking it was Bee and that chakra allowed the Juubi to be revived which gave made Juubito, Juubidara, and Kaguya, and resulted in many deaths in the war like Shikamaru's dad and the Head quarter co. plus far away villages, and Neji as well.

So I don't see how Sasuke can help create peace if he doesn't first change his ways and try to make amends for his crimes. We see the Konoha rookies all shown distrust towards Sasuke when he got there, they may accept his help but that doesn't mean they acknowledge him just like how Sasuke is fighting with them but doesn't have bonds to them. Sasuke and Naruto's way to peace clash as shown when Sasuke wanted to kill the Bijuus when Naruto asked him to put out Amaterasu so he and Kurama can pull out the Bijuus.

"He wants the bijuus to be eliminated."

wrong. sasuke only wants the bijuu not separated anymore. not to eliminate them. there was a chance to make it happen, by burning them all down. but didnt work. now that naruto has 9 bijuus inside him (although only few chakra of em, while the others are still inside madara), he's not angry right/ beucause the bijuus dont get separated. separated bijuu caused some people suffering, and hunted by an organisation, and itachi also needed to join it. also in ahshi's flashback, it was shown that the first 'confilict' was when hashi decided to separate the bijuu and giving them to villages.

i in the end i believe the prophecy will happen; the blue eyed eye will play with the bijuus. naruto will have all 9 bijuu inside him sasuke wouldnt mind it as long as it remains so.

Well guess what, not wanting them separated means he wanted them eliminated since it they were whole then that means they are the Juubi but he chose to not put out Amaterasu. Look what happened with Juubito, all Bijuus were one yet Sasuke still wanted to kill Obito right? They couldn't so instead he aided Naruto in pulling the Bijuu's free with the Alliance and when they were free Sasuke shown no anger towards them at that point either nor attacked them. He simply saw the Juubi as a threat and decided to go for the kill even if it meant killing the Bijuus who are in no wrong in the situation.

Separate Bijuus didn't cause anyone suffering, it was people who caused people suffering since they all viewed Bijuus as weapons and treated the Bijuus wrongly which caused the Bijuus to hate most humans. Bijuus didn't seal themselves in ninjas, other ninjas did and it's not the Bijuus who treat the Jinchuurikis as monsters and hated them which cause them to be lonely; it was people.

Bijuus were given to other villages because like the thread stated, Bijuus are seen as power which is one of the reasons people fight for. Giving the Bijuus to other villages created the "power balance" amongst other nation and is one of the reasons Minato killed himself in order to withhold. Kushina was going to seal Kurama back into herself so it would die with her but Minato said that would mess up the balance of power and the 9 tails power would be needed to stop Tobi. Had there been no power balance system in place then Kushina could have sealed Kurama into herself which in fact would have saved her as it did Naruto and Naruto would have both of his parents and the story would be much brighter for Konoha than it was.

 

[Xāvî1]

Bcos heroes never joins the evil!!

yes anyone who disagrees that sasuke is not a hero is a retard!

 

[awesomeseimei]

Define fake and real. You are basing the concept of "reality" on a subjective interpretation of reality only being this physical dimension. Reality is relative to an individual's own experience and senses. If you experience something then the joy, the pain, or whatever feeling results from it is real regardless of whether or not it is a dream. As long as your physical body doesn't die or get hurt, then whatever your consciousness experiences is real. Therefore, it is not running away from reality. It is solving the world's problems and creating a new reality. You are just saying that we should all just sit down and do nothing to create change.

Did you watch The Matrix way too many times? :| Just say "Ignorance is bliss" and be done with it.

And no, it's pretty obvious what's real and what's not, since human mind is nothing special. It's not like we all create our own physical worlds - it's all just nerve impulses in our bodies.

OT: Madara is a relic of the past, Sasuke wants to destroy the old system and (probably) build the new one his own way.

 

[Curteth]

Think we deserve a layman's version or a recreated version of the OP...

But yeah, I agree